Discussion The Ankhseram Thread

[Nemispelled]

Re: Fairy Tail 450 Discussion/ 451 Predictions

This is just my opinion.

Although I get angry at innocent lives being killed, I'm not sure that Ankhseram is to blame just yet.

We know that Zeref and Mavis are to blame, at least to me. Ankhseram could be a possible culprit too, but Im not certain at the moment.

Just because a person dealt curse, it doesn't mean they created it. Its true that it is unlikely in this case. Correct me if Im wrong, but the only thing we heard about the curse so far is that Ankhseram placed it on Zeref, it doesn't mean he created the curse.

Basically, we don't know if the curse was forced on Ankhseram or if he created it. For all we know, the victim could also be Ankhseram who has to deal out the punishment that its creators set to be laws. Ankhseram is likely the person who created the curse, but unless I am told that, then I reserve all judgement until it is actually confirmed....

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Re: Fairy Tail 450 Discussion/ 451 Predictions

Well the biggest thing is that Ankhseram is being a hypocrite. He cursed Mavis and Zeref because they didn't value life but the curse he put in place ends up taking far more human lives, even those that are innocent and oblivious. There could have been a more fitting punishment than punishing those that take live by making them take more lives.

Well that's only a valid point if you look at it from a human's point of view. Ankhseram is a God, and not just any God but a God of life and death. People dying probably means nothing to him. The curse was intended to punish those humans that broke the laws of "nature" and make them suffer. The collateral of their suffering is the deaths of many other people but to a God who is basically life/death itself those extra deaths are meaningless. So Ankhseram isn't a hypocrite because the curse wasn't placed on them for not just valuing life but for basically not valuing it as human but instead looking at life as if they are a God of life and death, which is stepping into Ankhseram's domain of power. In Zeref's case he thought he could defy death and bring someone back to life, which is easy for us to see as taboo. I'm however confused as to why Mavis was cursed for using an incomplete law. My theory is that an incomplete law will steal the lives of those that the user sees as an enemy. If that's true Mavis's crime is also stepping into Ankseram's domain by deciding who gets to live and who dies on a large scale since law affects massive area. In all reality, good or bad is a subjective thing so a human shouldn't be able to decide which people are good and thus live and which are bad and thus die. That's why I think this curse is very appropriate for Ankhseram to place on them, and now that we know that it makes even the sufferers thoughts contradictory it is even better since sufferers can't even understand what life means to them anymore as a human. So unless you are opposed to people dying there really is no problems with the curse and obviously we as people have a problem with it but a being who is a personification of life and death shouldn't have a problem. For all we know for every life the curse takes another might be born into the world.

 

[Morlun]

Re: Fairy Tail 450 Spoiler Thread

What's worng with what Ankhseram is doing ? I think what Ankhseram is doing is totally legit, legal and morally and ethically correct. Both Mavis and Zeref were stupid to use half knowledge magic without understanding the consequences and Zeref being stupid wanted to bring the dead back to life which breaks all rules of society, science and even humanity so what's wrong with what Ankhseram did to him he gave him the perfect punishment and served out correct justice.

You want to break rules so much fine now you live for immortality and the more you love the more quicker they die so you always feel the pain and suffering of a loved one dying all the time and if you become detached you'll go mentally insane

hehe People always quote "I will make your life a living hell" Ankhseram actually succeeded he made both Mavis and Zeref's life a living hell a real living hell and truth be told they deserved it I have no remorse or pity for either Mavis or Zeref I feel they got justly served though perhpas Anksheram could or should have gone farther.

So No Ankhseram is not a dick he's a god who apparently is doing his job and did his job very well just like the Spirit King

So someone explain why Ankhseram is a villain here Zeref is he idiotic villain and Mavis was the stupid loli girl who both couldn't move on in life

I'd agree with you, except for the fact that he also made them immortal.

If he had given Zeref a lifetime of suffering with the curse, but allowed him to grow old and die (allowing suicide or not is a degree of difference), one could see it as a fitting punishment for messing with powers that should not be messed with. Harsh, for sure, undeserved, but fitting.

He didn't stop there though. He took not one but two beings who were already powerful mages, gave them the power to kill everyone around them in the blink of an eye and made them live for ever. His blatant disregard for the consequences that Zeref and Mavis would have on mankind makes him an ass.

Unless he cursed Mavis because that was the only way he could stop Zeref.

 

[Nizen]

Honestly, Zeref having this curse of contradiction is a hint that the future events will not go according to Zeref's plans. I won't be surprised if his curse messes things up in the war. Take these for example,
- He wants to make Natsu feel despair. In contradictory terms, he wants to make Natsu feel love (which is again related to One Magic)
- He says Alvarez won't lose the war. But from the timeline where Future Rogue came from, Acnologia was the ruler (So did they lose the war?)
- He is wants an extermination. He might as well succeed in killing no one at all.
So, does this mean that Zeref won't go down as the final villain, unless we have some plot twist? If he is not the final villain then will it be Acnologia, Ankhseram or Natsu going berserk?

Also, since One Magic is love, is Ankhseram trying to stop Zeref from feeling love as he thinks Zeref will become a threat if gains access to it? Because from Zeref's curse it seems that his free will is minimized.

 

[Starrked]

Re: Fairy Tail 450 Discussion/ 451 Predictions

Like I said, there are better options that's punishing them by making them take more lives. It's not just lives of those they care or love. People around them would die regardless.

Ankhseram is a god; this god probably does not care if humans live or die, but cares more about a human who decides to behave like a god by defying the laws of life and death. Now we don't even know what kind of god Ankhseram is. If Ankhseram were a god of life, then it would be subjectively hypocritical that it decided to place a curse on people that takes lives away. I use the word "subjectively" because it is indeed subjective--a god of life commands all lives. In order to teach those who dare to step foot in the realm of a god, especially its own realm, it comes as no surprise that Ankhseram would do such a thing. The curse is by far one of the most innovative curses I've come across in manga.

Bottom line: Ankhseram is a god that does not care if a human lives or dies. It just doesn't want a human messing with its laws.

 

[Nemispelled]

Honestly, Zeref having this curse of contradiction is a hint that the future events will not go according to Zeref's plans. I won't be surprised if his curse messes things up in the war. Take these for example,
- He wants to make Natsu feel despair. In contradictory terms, he wants to make Natsu feel love (which is again related to One Magic)
- He says Alvarez won't lose the war. But from the timeline where Future Rogue came from, Acnologia was the ruler (So did they lose the war?)
- He is wants an extermination. He might as well succeed in killing no one at all.
So, does this mean that Zeref won't go down as the final villain, unless we have some plot twist? If he is not the final villain then will it be Acnologia, Ankhseram or Natsu going berserk?

Also, since One Magic is love, is Ankhseram trying to stop Zeref from feeling love as he thinks Zeref will become a threat if gains access to it? Because from Zeref's curse it seems that his free will is minimized.

Good point here too. Actually, your logic seems to make sense if it were to happen.

For point #1, it is possible that he wants Natsu to make some sort of love for him (as siblings of course); however, I would rather it be the other way around where Zeref loves Natsu so that Zeref can die.

For point #2, I think Alvarez is the first to lose the war. If it goes by Future Rogue's timeline though then that means FT lost to Acnologia lol.

For point #3, although I agree that I would like to see Zeref kill nobody, it is kinda unlikely since he has already killed people. Also, yeah, I highly doubt Zeref will be the final boss. I think that the final villain will be in the arcs following Alvarez.

For the last paragraph, I don't think Ankhseram cares if Zeref feels love or not. Zeref's curse is only set to kill other around him, but I feel that his free will is still his choice. Zeref could at any time be like Mavis, he chose not to though since he took on a role of an aggressive male rather than Mavis' gentle female figure.

 

[Axiomus]

Re: Fairy Tail 450 Discussion/ 451 Predictions

The way I see it, Ankhseram is trying to teach Zeref a lesson. That lesson being that Zeref should stop trying to play god. Zeref hasn't learned that lesson yet. In fact, don't you notice that every time Zeref faces a problem, he's always trying to solve that problem by breaking another taboo. Every step of the way, Zeref has been trying to play god. First with the R-System reviving the dead. Then with Eclipse manipulating time. Then with creating life forms to kill an immortal. Then with manipulating an empire like pawns. Then with waging a war to wipe out the world because it keeps rejecting him. All this time, Zeref has been going on and on about the world rejecting him. When in actually it is he that is rejecting the world. He can't accept the fate that reality dealt him, and so he tries to defy reality by breaking taboos.

 

[Chojin]

One can blame Zeref for playing God but at the same time who needs Ankhseram as well? I think it is a hidden agenda of that god to curse powerful mages. Maybe Ankhseram is trying to kill off Acnologia without getting involved? Perhaps Ankseram is the father Dragon of Acnologia?

 

[metsujin]

One can blame Zeref for playing God but at the same time who needs Ankhseram as well? I think it is a hidden agenda of that god to curse powerful mages. Maybe Ankhseram is trying to kill off Acnologia without getting involved? Perhaps Ankseram is the father Dragon of Acnologia?

Interesting theory... I think it's ridiculous, but interesting.

 

[Kay3795]

I would like if things become very dramatic with this God.

For instance, let's assume he's FV & he's responsible for Acno's & Zeref's sorrows, perhaps death.

I'd like for Natsu to confront the God in a language he understands. Not trying to convince him that what he/she or it did & doing was/is wrong, but to go to War with the God & do battle for total supremacy. Something like this;

"Natsu overwhelmed with emotions as watched his fallen mortal beings judged by God.

Natsu; "Haha...........*inhales...*sigh.. You know what God? you're not wrong! You are God & thus it is within your right to do as you so please.

God; .........!

Natsu; The thing is, I am mortal. I bleed & I feel pain. I tire & I rest. I hunger & I eat. I become emotional & I must find a way to express it.

Everyone; ...!!.

Natsu; I must retaliate....I...I will oppose you because it is in my nature. I will resist you so long as I'm able. I will stand against you so long as sleep, laugh, cry, tired, breathe, hurt.......Stop me if you can, I won't let in so long as I'm able.......

God; You; a mortal, challenge God? Blasphemous Fool!!!

Natsu; Yes, I am a Fool. A big Fool. An emotional wreck of a Fool. I don't care!! The fire in my Heart drives me to this.

GOD!! YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!!"

Has anyone played Asura's Wrath? Natsu at this point would act like the very ANGRY & WRATHFUL Asura & challenge God.

 

[oniichan powaa]

Aha! A thread dedicated to God Ankhseram! Good timing. I guess other threads are getting a bit derailed when mentioned about this particular entity (I'll stick with entity since we don't see anyone worship Ankhseram). This happen in parts because of our different beliefs in religion and in theological claims IRL.

Anyway, since the thread is out I'll dump some of my toughts about it.
I believe that Ankhseram is related with ancient Egyptian mythology (the name Ankh is a giveaway). The Ankh represents 'life', the symbol was used to explain 'majesty' and closely defines 'feminism'. Combine it all and we get an image of a beautiful Goddess Of Life. This image really contradicts with the nature of Ankhseram's curse, which I can say brutally unfair.

But... Life IS unfair.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

One can blame Zeref for playing God but at the same time who needs Ankhseram as well? I think it is a hidden agenda of that god to curse powerful mages. Maybe Ankhseram is trying to kill off Acnologia without getting involved? Perhaps Ankseram is the father Dragon of Acnologia?

Well since we don't know much about Gods in the Fairytail universe we can't say if Ankhseram is needed or not. We can at least say that Ankhseram isn't playing God, since he is one. That's an interesting thing you say about Acnologia though. I've been thinking that Acnologia's element is death itself at times. The weird thing about him having taken the souls of the other dragons using his dragon slayer magic always seemed to support him being an atypical element like death http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-423-page-9.html. I mean what natural or typical element can steal souls? This might give more support to your idea that Acnologia and Ankhseram are connected, which would make sense since Zeref might have been the one to turn Acnologia into a full dragon.

 

[oniichan powaa]

Beast, I seem to forgot that part.. Thanks for the link.

If it's true, then Acnologia's Dragon Slaying technique is more related to life and death magic. That is overpowered and I don't remember 'life force' as a type of magic/element in FT universe, although 'time' and 'space' is controllable with ancient/forbidden magic. Ankhseram doesn't seem to be a dragon though, the way I see it. Dragons don't use curses.. I bet he is a kind of divine being, more elusive entity. There's a hell lot of different beings in FT universe. Humans, animals and dragons are mortals, celestial spirits are semi-immortal, demons too. Ankhseram might not fall in any category at all.

My guess is that Acnologia's element might be Eternano. If this is the case, Acnologia is not related to Ankhseram. He's more related to Zeref's demons in element type. ..... Maybe Zeref based his creation on him or his father dragon. Who knows?

Back to Ankhseram, I'll stick to my opinion that 'she' is a Goddess of Unfairness Life until Mashima prove otherwise. And is not related to Acnologia in any way. And a beauty. And tsundere.

 

[Nemispelled]

I am almost certain that Ankhseram is just a background god.

It's difficult for me to explain, but maybe I can give an example since explaining just makes it more confusing.

For any of you who have seen Deathnote, Ankhseram is the FT version of the shinigami like Ryuk. At least that is what I am hoping for it to be. That's my opinion on the matter. Ankhseram purpose is just to survey the war only giving advantages to certain people that pay the price.

Just like how you can get the Shinigami Eyes = Shorten of Lifespan, Ankhseram grants Immortality at the cost of suffering. Although Deathnote is more of a direct way and FT is more indirect (and plays with your emotions), the two can be somewhat comparable in my opinion.

Ive been hoping this is the case because that is what makes a story interesting. An unknown entity that is ambiguous or uncertain, hence the reason for suspense and mystery of a supreme god.

For those of you who have never watched or read Deathnote, all I can tell ya is that think of Ankhseram not a Zeref 2.0 and a blood-thirsty god of war that like to jump into the fray with their annoying loud and pathetic war cries / battle cries.

 

[oniichan powaa]

I was hoping that Ankhseram will be the Big Bad.. If that doesn't happen we still have Acnologia and Zeref as the bad guys, but they really don't have the depth to deserve being the final boss. The Big Bad will have to be a hateful character, unreasonably evil, who the main characters should kill like roaches. You know, without remorse. Kinda like Palpatine (I hate the guy).

Zeref was geniusly a victim of situation while Acnologia must have some kind ulterior motive driven by trauma.. That's why I was hoping this Ankhseram to fill the role of Big Bad.
If he's just a background character like you guess, then it will be (a little) disappointing.

 

[AAM1232]

I was hoping that Ankhseram will be the Big Bad.. If that doesn't happen we still have Acnologia and Zeref as the bad guys, but they really don't have the depth to deserve being the final boss. The Big Bad will have to be a hateful character, unreasonably evil, who the main characters should kill like roaches. You know, without remorse. Kinda like Palpatine (I hate the guy).

Zeref was geniusly a victim of situation while Acnologia must have some kind ulterior motive driven by trauma.. That's why I was hoping this Ankhseram to fill the role of Big Bad.
If he's just a background character like you guess, then it will be (a little) disappointing.

To be honest, the whole series has been setting up Acnologia and Zeref as final villains with maybe E.N.D. coming into the picture. So suddenly shifting the Final Villain status to Ankhseram, a dude whose name was only mentioned in Chapter 436 and FT Zero is a bit too much even for me. Plus he seems to be a legitimate God, who probably has a whole different view on the matter of life and death which may be completely justified on his part and incomprehensible to the mortal mages, Zeref and Mavis.

While Zeref is a victim, remeber that this curse business all started because he couldn't get over Natsu's death and wanted to bring him back to life. This (to me) suggests that he was in denial and didn't want to face reality and move on, which is understandable. So he decided to use his skills and intelligence to attempt to bring him back, which @Deadly Beast already said was basically playing God (deciding who lives and dies). We can only speculate as to why Acnologia killed all those dragons and wants to screw the whole world over since we barely know anything about him.

Besides, Mashima can always make Zeref and Acnologia more evil by having them kill off characters important to Natsu (Acno already did kill Igneel) so who knows, you might get a villain you want to really HATEEEEEEEEE (Give in to your Hatred, fellow member..)

 

[kkck]

I don't think we can necessarily make the case that ankseram really exists or that he curses people who don't value life. I mean, he could but realistically speaking there is no evidence that he is anything beyond a religion which might or not be real. What I find particularly weird is that anhkseram would curse mavis. Zeref did spent his life researching life and death and succesfully created a number of beings (though we still don't know if he created their souls or only their bodies so to speak) so it would make sense that he got cursed because of it. However the way mavis got the curse does not add up at all. She used law, a dark magic taught to her by zeref. How did she attempt against life and death?

Assuming ankseram is handing out curses it probably is not for the purpose of punishing.

Assuming ankseram is not real then the curse itself is the result of specific magics working. In the case of mavis it would be an issue of her connection to zeref. In the case of zeref the curse would be the result of a specific magic he tried. Perhaps it relates directly to the abyss of magic to which zeref is supposed to be close.

 

[Nemispelled]

Whether Ankhseram curses people or not, it's hard to tell. As I said in a previous post, Ankhseram dealt the curse, but it doesn't mean he created it. Now whether Ankhseram exists or not, I think it's safe to say that he does. That is why Zeref is immortal and why he rejects life.


I think a lot of people are getting confused about the Mavis thing. Maybe Im the one starting to be confused. I dont think that Ankhseram curses Mavis. Think of the curse like a set law. Mavis broke the code when she used that Law Spell in FTZ.

Ankhseram cursed Zeref but not Mavis. Zeref taught Mavis the spell, but didn't curse her either. Mavis simply broke a law of magic herself. This is just my opinion though.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

So i have been thinking and this makes a lot sense to me. We all know that Zeref is currently the guy we are all supposed to hate right now and he is the main "villain".

• I have started to think he is not. I do not think Natsu will kill him. In fact i think the opposite. He [Zeref?] wants to save him [Natsu?] and save the first master of FT Mavis.
  
  • The curse they [Mavis and Zeref] are both under makes them always cursed by the opposite. They want to die so they can't they value life because they kill life.
• If you follow, so this makes me think Mavis is not dead. I think when she fell in love with Zeref she wanted to live not die and the cure did its thing and boom shes dead but not dead in a state of both. seeing how she can thought projection herself to FT members her mind is still there. That's one stage you need to know to get my theory. Once this becomes seen the way i seen it. To save Mavis is to remove the one who cursed her and to save Zeref.
  
  • They was cursed by the same person i believe. The one who started the origins of magic using Zeref as a way to spread it. Zeref seems to be the one who taught people basic magic and which lead to the world today as time grown as an immortal he can plan for a long time or be used for a long time. Purehito while searching for a cure came across this the "truth" of magic.
  • To find it thinking Zeref would know of its location or how to find it as well as destroy it. Zeref is a puppet he does not know who pulls his strings.
• The "R SYSTEM" has the ability to revive a person. At the start we find there was 8 R Systems being built by a dark guild, but we don't find who they wanted to bring back or why 8 for 1 person which I presume to be Zeref.
  
  
• What if they were worshiping the true mastermind and under his orders constructed the R-Systems to bring him back physically into this world.
  
  • The "Ankhseram" an ancient god or perhaps the first mage i don't know his true identity but this person is the one who cursed Zeref for trying to bring back the dead "apparently" but what if he was cursed because he failed to bring him back the R system and gate were both shown to him by Ankhseram to revive him but tricked Zeref by saying it will revive Natsu.
  • This makes sense to me the reason why it failed with Zeref is because he constructed 1 which was not another magical power to bring him back and why it was attempted again with 8 but the council stopped it. We now have Fairy heart which an infinite power source is known i feel it will be used to revive Ankhseram.
• Once that's done the real fight starts to save Zeref Mavis and the who world of Fairy Tail. After all didn't natsu eat god slayer flames?
  

 

[Arjuna]

I Think Ankhseram has His Base in Mildian City.