Discussion The Official Lucy Heartfilia Thread

[Star Frost]

Honestly, I can't help but feel that Lucy was disrespected as a main character especially compared to Tartorus arc. It seems that her primary use in this arc was fanservice.
Times she was really useful
1 Bringing Fairy Tail back against Jacob
2. Writing letters in a book. Seriously Hiro? This is going to be Lucy's big moment, something that Levy or anyone with good memory and writing ability can do?

Hey how about when Erza was almost dead if it wasn't for Lucy who took out Marin that was negating her Requip?

Actually not anybody can write in that book if they aren't able to handle the demonic letters according to Zeref who was shocked she was able to. Not to mention even if they could they would've been consumed by darkness and ofc possibly die. So yeah not anybody can do that.

Lucy should have gotten a proper fight and her useful moments should not be outnumbered by her naked or stripped moments. The main female character should not be treated this way so I hope she gets some epic moments in future chapters.

This I can agree with. We done endured and cringed enough of seeing Natsu and Erza fighting many Spriggans and showcasing how strong Mashima wants us to see from them (which we all get that they're invincible) but not with Lucy though. Instead of seeing all of what she's made of, we just get a glimpse of a bit. We didn't even see her put her Aries and Gemini in action but only saw what it looked like. Let alone act like he couldn't even add the Capricorn one in the manga which that and Capricorn himself would've been useful against Jacob but wait how can I forget that he feels the need that he has to let us see his boy be the one to take him out who he pretty much hyped in that fight stating how he was holding back just because he don't want to destroy the guild. In case I'm about to get attacked, just want many to know that I like Natsu, but I just want him to step back a bit and want to see the other characters shine like Lucy who share the title as the main character along with him. Ever since this Arc started I've been so hype for her to get a proper fight and showcase a lot more of her improvement from her year of training but considering this story is ending pretty soon, we won't be able to see them! I just hope she at least participates in whatever is about to happen in the upcoming chapters.

I have to disagree. Since Brandish had no intention of killing Lucy she had to avoid using any technique that would have killed her. Dimaria even says that. Brandish could have enlarged herself and then stomped Lucy or could have broken her neck as soon as she had Lucy in her grasp. The whole battle was a farce, it was just Brandish playing pretend, so it's a large assumption to say she wasn't holding back a lot when she clearly was by not killing her every time she had the chance to. The fact that all of Lucy's attacks were less effective against Brandish than Cana's simple karate chop makes me even more disappointed with how Lucy got treated in this arc.

How Brandish could've killed Lucy are pretty much with hax moves while those non hax moves she used aren't so deadly is what I think Cosmicstar is saying by she was giving it her all with them but not with her hax. Brandish Magic is super deadly that can be used to just kill more so than for fighting purposes like Dimaria's Age Seal and Jacob's Transport. She really is the kind of opponent that I don't think anybody in Fiore have hardly any chance to beat her if she ever as much gives it her all with her hax. I feel that she would've done great against Jacob or possibly Ajeel (with Wendy but she had to help Erza with Irene) since Elfman and freaking Lisanna managed to win. And did you seriously accepted that cringy comedy that Cana did?!

 

[Cosmicstar]

I have to disagree. Since Brandish had no intention of killing Lucy she had to avoid using any technique that would have killed her. Dimaria even says that. Brandish could have enlarged herself and then stomped Lucy or could have broken her neck as soon as she had Lucy in her grasp. The whole battle was a farce, it was just Brandish playing pretend, so it's a large assumption to say she wasn't holding back a lot when she clearly was by not killing her every time she had the chance to. The fact that all of Lucy's attacks were less effective against Brandish than Cana's simple karate chop makes me even more disappointed with how Lucy got treated in this arc.

She tried to kill Lucy in a similar manner and Lucy broke out. She shrunk Lucy which is equal to her enlarging herself as the size difference would have been the same.

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She tried Crushing Lucy with her hands and Lucy sliced her hands up. Had Brandish tried stepping on Lucy the exact same thing would have happened.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

She tried to kill Lucy in a similar manner and Lucy broke out. She shrunk Lucy which is equal to her enlarging herself as the size difference would have been the same.

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She tried Crushing Lucy with her hands and Lucy sliced her hands up. Had Brandish tried stepping on Lucy the exact same thing would have happened.

What are you talking about? Did you skip the end of chapter 501 which clearly establishes that Brandish never tried to kill Lucy at all and that she avoided doing anything to kill her? Everything Brandish did was an act. The manga clearly establishes that Brandish had no intention of killing Lucy in the whole fight so there's no point in denying that. For example, Brandish could have squeezed the life out of Lucy or broke her neck before Lucy even changed star dresses to break out from her grasp.

 

[Cosmicstar]

What are you talking about? Did you skip the end of chapter 501 which clearly establishes that Brandish never tried to kill Lucy at all and that she avoided doing anything to kill her? Everything Brandish did was an act. The manga clearly establishes that Brandish had no intention of killing Lucy in the whole fight so there's no point in denying that. For example, Brandish could have squeezed the life out of Lucy or broke her neck before Lucy even changed star dresses to break out from her grasp.

1. Brandish didn't know Lucy can change Stardresses that fast so at no point was she giving Lucy time to break out.

2. Brandish never said she wasn't going all out. That is what Dimaria said. However Dimaria statement was made invaldi when she claim Brandish could have shrunk Lucy and stepped on her. When in fact Brandish already shrunk Lucy and tried to Squeeze the life out of her.

3. Brandish legit said she was going to squeeze the life out of Lucy.

4. Brandish didn't know Lucy had the power to escape her grasp while she was shrunken.

The only way Brandish could have taken out Lucy was enlarge her organs.

 

[Star Frost]

1. Brandish didn't know Lucy can change Stardresses that fast so at no point was she giving Lucy time to break out.

2. Brandish never said she wasn't going all out. That is what Dimaria said. However Dimaria statement was made invaldi when she claim Brandish could have shrunk Lucy and stepped on her. When in fact Brandish already shrunk Lucy and tried to Squeeze the life out of her.

3. Brandish legit said she was going to squeeze the life out of Lucy.

4. Brandish didn't know Lucy had the power to escape her grasp while she was shrunken.

The only way Brandish could have taken out Lucy was enlarge her organs.

I think what he means is that she could've done that before Lucy had managed to escape her grasp. Or better yet shrunk her some more then do it cause from the way it looks compared to Marin, Lucy didn't look that tiny. So it's like that Brandish was indeed trying to give her a chance to escape her grasp by not shrinking her that tiny which she would indeed have the life squeezed out of her with that size which may have what've been Dimaria meant

 

[Crescent Jinx]

What are you talking about? Did you skip the end of chapter 501 which clearly establishes that Brandish never tried to kill Lucy at all and that she avoided doing anything to kill her? Everything Brandish did was an act. The manga clearly establishes that Brandish had no intention of killing Lucy in the whole fight so there's no point in denying that. For example, Brandish could have squeezed the life out of Lucy or broke her neck before Lucy even changed star dresses to break out from her grasp.

Ok..... just because Brandish wasn't using her kill attack wasn't meaning wasn't not fighting to severely harm
Lucy/knock her unconscious.......... take Gmg..... People were fighting their best but they weren't trying to kill each other. Lucy and Brandish's
battle was like this.... where Brandish wasn't using her instaKill.... Brandish was still fighting with the power she had and she was trying to hurt Lucy as she was going to squeeze the girl unconscious in her grip but Lucy used cancer star dress to cut out.

Actuallly if Lucy had just became unconcious..... Dimaria might have never attacked Brandish since the battle started escalating once Lucy used Aqua metria..... proving Brandish was a traitor cuz Brandish is too lazy to battle people.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Ok..... just because Brandish wasn't using her kill attack wasn't meaning wasn't not fighting to severely harm
Lucy/knock her unconscious.......... take Gmg..... People were fighting their best but they weren't trying to kill each other. Lucy and Brandish's
battle was like this.... where Brandish wasn't using her instaKill.... Brandish was still fighting with the power she had and she was trying to hurt Lucy as she was going to squeeze the girl unconscious in her grip but Lucy used cancer star dress to cut out.

Actuallly if Lucy had just became unconcious..... Dimaria might have never attacked Brandish since the battle started escalating once Lucy used Aqua metria..... proving Brandish was a traitor cuz Brandish is too lazy to battle people.

Brandish might have wanted to knock her out but that doesn't change the fact that Brandish couldn't go all out due to not wanting to kill Lucy. No matter what Brandish did or tried, she was making sure to avoid putting enough force in her attacks to not kill Lucy, kind of like the Sasuke vs Itachi fight. The fight had some badass choreography but Lucy should have gotten a good fight against someone who was actually a threat to her and not holding back their power. She could have helped Natsu defeat Zeref by temporarily summoning all her spirits at once to fight or even somehow pulling out a celestial spirit king star dress but instead she gets relegated to writing letters in a book .

 

[Star Frost]

Brandish might have wanted to knock her out but that doesn't change the fact that Brandish couldn't go all out due to not wanting to kill Lucy. No matter what Brandish did or tried, she was making sure to avoid putting enough force in her attacks to not kill Lucy, kind of like the Sasuke vs Itachi fight. The fight had some badass choreography but Lucy should have gotten a good fight against someone who was actually a threat to her and not holding back their power. She could have helped Natsu defeat Zeref by temporarily summoning all her spirits at once to fight or even somehow pulling out a celestial spirit king star dress but instead she gets relegated to writing letters in a book .

Like I said, Brandish is a deadly opponent so would've been better if she would've been the one to handle Jacob.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

hey guys I wonder something now we know what the stardresses look like what about her sliver keys would she get stardresses from that
also off topic what about Yukino I kinda wanted to see what the Libra and Pisces stardresses look like

 

[Crescent Jinx]

hey guys I wonder something now we know what the stardresses look like what about her sliver keys would she get stardresses from that
also off topic what about Yukino I kinda wanted to see what the Libra and Pisces stardresses look like

I came up with a design for Horologium star dress a long time ago but I can't draw so...

I think that could be an awesome star dress

 

[Reebi]

I came up with a design for Horologium star dress a long time ago but I can't draw so...

I think that could be an awesome star dress

.

The Cross would be either great or funny. @Coffee Cat drew a Plue one I believe

 

[Crescent Jinx]

The Cross would be either great or funny. @Coffee Cat drew a Plue one I believe

Coffee has too much talent. Jealous.

Was It posted on ftb?

 

[kkck]

Honestly, I can't help but feel that Lucy was disrespected as a main character especially compared to Tartorus arc. It seems that her primary use in this arc was fanservice.
Times she was really useful
1. Bringing Fairy Tail back against Jacob
2. Writing letters in a book. Seriously Hiro? This is going to be Lucy's big moment, something that Levy or anyone with good memory and writing ability can do?

It's disappointing that her most badass fight scene in this arc was against an opponent that was holding back a lot and wasn't really a threat to her
It feels like she spent most of this arc either naked or topless:
1. Naked battle in bathtub
2. Stripped by Jacob
3. Stripped by Dimaria
4. Getting Naked to warm Natsu (Natsu wasn't dying from hypothermia, he was dying due to the seeds, so warming him up wouldn't have postponed his death at all because it's not doing anything for the seeds)

Lucy should have gotten a proper fight and her useful moments should not be outnumbered by her naked or stripped moments. The main female character should not be treated this way so I hope she gets some epic moments in future chapters.

Well, the letters where a world saving plot device. Without lucy's arbitrarily hax ability to write on natsu's book natsu would have died against zeref and zeref would have wo. So in this arc alone lucy saved the entire guild from jacob and then went on to save the actual literal world from zeref and his time magic. Lucy is indeed a victim of fan service but in considering everything we can safely say lucy saved the world twice this arc.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Well, the letters where a world saving plot device. Without lucy's arbitrarily hax ability to write on natsu's book natsu would have died against zeref and zeref would have wo. So in this arc alone lucy saved the entire guild from jacob and then went on to save the actual literal world from zeref and his time magic. Lucy is indeed a victim of fan service but in considering everything we can safely say lucy saved the world twice this arc.

Her being useful is not equivalent to her being impressive especially compared to other members of Fairy Tail, namely Team Natsu. Her role in Natsu vs Zeref was undoubtedly important to his victory but I find her role as a glorified book editor to be quite lame or unimpressive. Besides her moment of intelligence against Jacob, the only thing that I found impressive about Lucy is the amount of times she managed to get naked in this arc. Being relegated to Natsu's book editor, cheerleader, and fanservice tool for most of this arc isn't much better than Sakura being relegated to just Naruto's nurse for most of the last arc in Naruto. Both Sakura and Lucy had important roles that lacked a lot of impact when surrounded by more epic and grander feats imo

 

[Angiecakes1990]

idc if Lucy is just a plot for fanservice I just pass by that cause she is strong might not be as strong as the other fairy tail wizards cause her power is alot different from theirs but consider the many times she got beaten by enemies or even Gajeel she got back up
Lucy is strong at heart but I hate how fans keep saying she doesn't fight back even when summoning her spirits like before the whole stardresses came in she has a whip its just she uses mostly her energy and strength to even open those gates it takes alot out of her

and consider what she did with END's book im happy cause remember she was a reporter for sorcerer weekly for a year after the guild broke up so i guess all that training and editing pulled off and yea we know Levy would of done it but Lucy can too

 

[strikefreedom]

I would like mashima to make us a cover page colors, with lucy and all those stardress .

What is a shame with Lucy is that now she can really fight next to natsu and be cowardly versatile level combat.

But mashima did not give him a real fight, what he showed with brandish vs lucy was not bad, we saw clearly the progress of lucy and its versatility.

But it was not enough (even with Jacob), I would have liked what a fight another enemy in a real fight and what gains with a little difficulty even.

 

[Star Frost]

idc if Lucy is just a plot for fanservice I just pass by that cause she is strong might not be as strong as the other fairy tail wizards cause her power is alot different from theirs but consider the many times she got beaten by enemies or even Gajeel she got back up
Lucy is strong at heart but I hate how fans keep saying she doesn't fight back even when summoning her spirits like before the whole stardresses came in she has a whip its just she uses mostly her energy and strength to even open those gates it takes alot out of her

and consider what she did with END's book im happy cause remember she was a reporter for sorcerer weekly for a year after the guild broke up so i guess all that training and editing pulled off and yea we know Levy would of done it but Lucy can too

Actually there's no telling Levy would've done it considering she'll have to be able to handle the demonic letters in order to do it. So really you can say nobody but Lucy can do it

 

[Cosmicstar]

I hate when People try to claim Lucy pales in comparison to the rest of Team Natsu when that isn't even remotely true.

Lucy in Aquarius Mode have Water and Earth Based attacks.

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Ice Make Silver using Devil Slayer

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Both Attacks are around the same Size and both change the landscape in some way.

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Wendy Dragon Force Sky Gale

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Clearly both attacks are around the same level.

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Now don't get me wrong Natsu fire attack is more powerful than the Wave Aquarius did in Chapter 1 but Lucy is way more powerful now than she was in chapter 1 so that attack would increase by at least a factor of 3.

My Point being is we didn't get to see Lucy go all out in Aquarius Mode. Otherwise she would have been sending powerful waves as shown above left and right. In Aquarius Mode she can generate her own water plus she can use her whip as an unlimited water source. We didn't get to see that.

Like I said in an earlier post chances of us seeing Lucy going all out were slim this arc. It was clear as day she held back against Jacob. Why? I don't know why Hiro didn't have her go all out. Then when Brandish Confronted her at her apartment Marin restricted her ability to use magic. Then when they fought a second time Lucy clearly held back from actually defeating Brandish.

If Brandish was Taking out by this attack:

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Then Lucy could have easily sliced her up and defeated her when this happened:

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She could have easily switched to her Cancer form and sliced Brandish up considering when she was 1/100th the size of Brandish she sliced her up.

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Hell Lucy could have distracted Brandish while Sagittarius shot an arrow through Brandish heart. So both were clearly holding back the intent to kill in this battle.

The advantages to Lucy's magic is the variety of powers and sheer number of allies to use in battle. Lucy has alot more power than people give her credit for.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

Actually there's no telling Levy would've done it considering she'll have to be able to handle the demonic letters in order to do it. So really you can say nobody but Lucy can do it

I did not say that we know Levy would of done it cause its natural for her cause of her reading ancient writing but Im happy to see Lucy doing it

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 13, 2017, Original Post Date: Jun 13, 2017 ---

I hate when People try to claim Lucy pales in comparison to the rest of Team Natsu when that isn't even remotely true.

Lucy in Aquarius Mode have Water and Earth Based attacks.

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Versus

Ice Make Silver using Devil Slayer

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Both Attacks are around the same Size and both change the landscape in some way.

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Versus

Wendy Dragon Force Sky Gale

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Clearly both attacks are around the same level.

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Versus

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Now don't get me wrong Natsu fire attack is more powerful than the Wave Aquarius did in Chapter 1 but Lucy is way more powerful now than she was in chapter 1 so that attack would increase by at least a factor of 3.

My Point being is we didn't get to see Lucy go all out in Aquarius Mode. Otherwise she would have been sending powerful waves as shown above left and right. In Aquarius Mode she can generate her own water plus she can use her whip as an unlimited water source. We didn't get to see that.

Like I said in an earlier post chances of us seeing Lucy going all out were slim this arc. It was clear as day she held back against Jacob. Why? I don't know why Hiro didn't have her go all out. Then when Brandish Confronted her at her apartment Marin restricted her ability to use magic. Then when they fought a second time Lucy clearly held back from actually defeating Brandish.

If Brandish was Taking out by this attack:

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Then Lucy could have easily sliced her up and defeated her when this happened:

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She could have easily switched to her Cancer form and sliced Brandish up considering when she was 1/100th the size of Brandish she sliced her up.

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Hell Lucy could have distracted Brandish while Sagittarius shot an arrow through Brandish heart. So both were clearly holding back the intent to kill in this battle.

The advantages to Lucy's magic is the variety of powers and sheer number of allies to use in battle. Lucy has alot more power than people give her credit for.

yea I know she does

 

[kkck]

Lucy is a character that I would argue is consistently underestimated. However her skills have generally been higher than the manga (and fandom) give her credit for. It's generally comedy or fan service that foils her, not her lack of battle skills. And specially over the last time skip she had a more than dramatic increase in power and finally found a way to compensate for her physical weakness. As of the GMGs arcs she has been able to summon at least 2 spirits to fight and she can do 3 with some trouble. And even during the tartarus arc she did so well enough that she could hold back multiple demons. Even though other FT members could barely hold back one at the time. Mira and elfman could not even properly defeat sayla. And then we get to the timeskip.... Her sheer magical power increased immensely over that short period. Odds are that by this time her sheer amount of magic power is comparable to pre timeskip gildarts or so (not necessarily more though, just comparable). Add to that her star dresses which increase her magic and give her the ability to fight on her own alongside her spirits and she has basically compensated for her more crippling weaknesses from before. Along with granting her immensely greater combination and synergy potential potential with her spirits. She still falls short of a springan overall but which FT members don't at this point? The only FT members I would say are definitely stronger than her are (in no specific order) basically makarov, natsu, grey, erza, laxus, gajeel, gildarts.... and that's it. Mira lost her relevance ages ago. Maybe if she could use allegria freely but without that she is weaker IMO and not even worth mentioning as a rival to erza. The thunder tribe lost their status a long time ago. They were probably stronger pre GMGs but unfortunately for them second origin left them behind considerably. Heck, they lost to tempester easily. What lucy did at tartarus on her own easily surpasses them. And lucy could potentially fight at the springan level or above if she uses the stellar spirit king summon. Or ever gets his stellar spirit clothes (or armor?). I mean, an exhausted lucy summoned the stellar spirit king and was able to go toe to toe with mard geer. Currently lucy has at least several times the magic she had back then.