Shounen Undead Unluck

[Nie Li]

Spoiler: Damn you, Unluck why you not convinient enough?

@Moegara
Did this page/outcome conciliate with you more after last chapter's ending? I like how the scientist himself admits that getting Burn's core would be too lucky considering the Unluck was aimed at Andy with Burn being in the way.

I still find the Unluck power iffy but yeah, I am happy with the development and Nico's words.

Come to think of it, I just went back and checked the last page of the chapter.
Fuuko grabs Apocalypse with her hands gloved. Apocalypse itself is an artifact. Now, I wonder if her Unluck itself can work on artifacts Or even UMA, for that matter.
Have we had any instances in the story where she has touched any of the above?
Would be an interesting matter to brainstorm about

I don't think it has happened before with Fuuko, but Shen's powers affected Spoil so Unluck should also work on them.



About this chapter... I think that even the fighting continues for a little longer after this, they really will end this in a stalemate, with Union retaining the book and Under retaining the table, none of them able to do anything after they beat the current quests without getting what is in possession of the others.

I don't think Billy will be able to get the book back now because, despite how overpowered he is, I feel like it would have been pointless plotwise to waste the Tatiana Unjustice trick on something that will fail.

Also because of the plot and for the sake of Under's portrayal, Billy can't be defeated here and failing to at least get the table would not only be humiliating but also make the whole betrayal pointless.

 

[Hermit]

400 postssssss....
Allow me to get that out of the way first, and thank everyone who makes this thread so active

I don't think it has happened before with Fuuko, but Shen's powers affected Spoil so Unluck should also work on them.

Good analogy.
I just imagined Fuuko grabbing Apocalypse with her bare hands, and then unleashing a stroke of Unluck on him But I would like to see what kind of misfortune she would bestow on things other than human beings.

 

[kakilangit]

why anyone didnt bat on eye of UU's world???
yeaah, we got someone mentioned this and there but never serious about it..

Its 'Fake' world yeah???? its clearly is superficial world..
like, matrix=computer,
truman show=movie
inception=dreams
isekai, a lot of isekai
and a lot movie in 90/00..
did its because obvious??? everyone knows so nobody care???

UU world is crazy, chaotic, straight up broken and artificial...
how can earth exist w/o bigbang (and galaxy).. how can you not had revolution if gravity exist? how on earth seasons, years exist w/o revolution!! and so on so on.

its 'VIDEO GAME' world.//
the thing is, it is just metaphorical/referencial/inspirational or its ACTAUL/LITERAL of sense???

 

[Aeneas]

Greed Island time.

 

[Hermit]

Not sure if anyone has posted this before
About Chikara's Negator ability, and how his name kinda of matches with it:

His power is still lame though

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 7, 2020 ---

Source: Discord.

Spoiler

買ってきた

ビリーに「お前はユニオンの真似事をしたいんだろうが黙示録がなければ報酬は受けられない」と言うアンディ
黙示録が風子に今までの記憶を流し込み、狂いそうになる風子の手から逃げ出すがフィル(不感)に捕まってしまう
ビリー「そいつは期限までに奪えればいい。だがアークは俺たちが先に手に入れる。ジュイスに伝えろお前に渡しはしない」

円卓で話し合い シェンはヴィクトールは200年近く出してないのにジュイスと名前を呼び合い戦っていたことに疑問を覚える
ニコもアークという古代遺物は知らないという
ジュイス「この世界はループしている」
神の手によって破壊と再生繰り返しているが、ユニオンはそれを止めるためにジュイスが作った
風子が見た記憶は作り直される前のユニオンの記憶
「だから集めた…神を殺せる否定者達を！」
ID:eA9Ss/DkM

0183 名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい (ﾜﾝﾄﾝｷﾝ MMdf-it6C) 2020/10/08 22:03:59
風子が見た黙示録の記憶では全部アンディじゃなくてヴィクトールだし、ジーナは普通におばあちゃんになってるしニコおじは死んでたりする
円卓も1と2(ヴィクトール)しかいない画像もある
あと最後に一心の目だけ見えた

A VERY flashback heavy chapter. Basically:

Spoiler

-Fuuko gets some flashbacks from being in contact with Apocalypse.
-Phil's Negator ability is revealed (Unfeel? >Something along the lines of feeling/sensitivity)
-There's an ancient Relic called Ark.
-Void, Gina and Victor appear in a flashback.

 

[Nie Li]

Not sure if anyone has posted this before
About Chikara's Negator ability, and how his name kinda of matches with it:

His power is still lame though

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 9, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 7, 2020 ---

Source: Discord.

Spoiler

買ってきた

ビリーに「お前はユニオンの真似事をしたいんだろうが黙示録がなければ報酬は受けられない」と言うアンディ
黙示録が風子に今までの記憶を流し込み、狂いそうになる風子の手から逃げ出すがフィル(不感)に捕まってしまう
ビリー「そいつは期限までに奪えればいい。だがアークは俺たちが先に手に入れる。ジュイスに伝えろお前に渡しはしない」

円卓で話し合い シェンはヴィクトールは200年近く出してないのにジュイスと名前を呼び合い戦っていたことに疑問を覚える
ニコもアークという古代遺物は知らないという
ジュイス「この世界はループしている」
神の手によって破壊と再生繰り返しているが、ユニオンはそれを止めるためにジュイスが作った
風子が見た記憶は作り直される前のユニオンの記憶
「だから集めた…神を殺せる否定者達を！」
ID:eA9Ss/DkM

0183 名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい (ﾜﾝﾄﾝｷﾝ MMdf-it6C) 2020/10/08 22:03:59
風子が見た黙示録の記憶では全部アンディじゃなくてヴィクトールだし、ジーナは普通におばあちゃんになってるしニコおじは死んでたりする
円卓も1と2(ヴィクトール)しかいない画像もある
あと最後に一心の目だけ見えた

A VERY flashback heavy chapter. Basically:

Spoiler

-Fuuko gets some flashbacks from being in contact with Apocalypse.
-Phil's Negator ability is revealed (Unfeel? >Something along the lines of feeling/sensitivity)
-There's an ancient Relic called Ark.
-Void, Gina and Victor appear in a flashback.

I'll wait for the full chapter before commenting but I'm glad if Phil and others reach the fighting.

Under's minions should also help their boss a little for this all to be satisfactory.

 

[Hermit]

A bit more detail in the spoilers -

Spoiler

-Andy tells Billy, "You seem like you wanna make a copy of Union, but you can't get anything without Apocalypse"
-Apocalypse floods Fuuko's mind with memories of the past and runs away as she starts breaking down, but Phil (Unfeeling) catches him
-Billy says, "You can take him 'til the deadline, but we're getting to the Ark first. Tell Juiz that we're not handing it over."
-Back at the round table, Shen wonders why, despite not having appeared for nearly 200 years, Victhor was able to call Juiz by name while they were fighting.
-Nico says that not even he has heard of the ancient Artifact Ark
-Juiz says that "this world is on a time loop"
-It's been destroyed and remade countless times by God, but Juiz formed Union for the sake of stopping this
-The memories Fuuko saw were of Union before the world was remade
-"For that reason we've brought them together... these God-slaying Negators!"

 

[Nie Li]

A bit more detail in the spoilers -

Spoiler

-Andy tells Billy, "You seem like you wanna make a copy of Union, but you can't get anything without Apocalypse"
-Apocalypse floods Fuuko's mind with memories of the past and runs away as she starts breaking down, but Phil (Unfeeling) catches him
-Billy says, "You can take him 'til the deadline, but we're getting to the Ark first. Tell Juiz that we're not handing it over."
-Back at the round table, Shen wonders why, despite not having appeared for nearly 200 years, Victhor was able to call Juiz by name while they were fighting.
-Nico says that not even he has heard of the ancient Artifact Ark
-Juiz says that "this world is on a time loop"
-It's been destroyed and remade countless times by God, but Juiz formed Union for the sake of stopping this
-The memories Fuuko saw were of Union before the world was remade
-"For that reason we've brought them together... these God-slaying Negators!"

I wonder how the loops work for some people to seem to be able to recall a past loop.

 

[Hermit]

I wonder how the loops work for some people to seem to be able to recall a past loop.

Maybe its related to artifact 'Remember', or Nico's own Negator ability (It seems to be related to memories). He made everyone in the world forget about the differing languages, so there might be a chance that Union members retain their memories of a past loop

 

[Ebrietas-]

Maybe its related to artifact 'Remember', or Nico's own Negator ability (It seems to be related to memories). He made everyone in the world forget about the differing languages, so there might be a chance that Union members retain their memories of a past loop

Nico didn't do that. When a new rule is added regular peoples memories change so that they believe the new rule always existed.

 

[Hermit]

Nico didn't do that. When a new rule is added regular peoples memories change so that they believe the new rule always existed.

Aaaah, my mistake.
But, he did change the memories of Chikara's schoolmate, right? So his power should still be related to memories/thoughts.

 

[Ebrietas-]

Aaaah, my mistake.
But, he did change the memories of Chikara's schoolmate, right? So his power should still be related to memories/thoughts.

Yeah his power might still be memory related. What Nico did in that chapter was to hook his brain to a non-negator's mind and see the differences between his memories and the regular persons

 

[Hermit]

Yeah his power might still be memory related. What Nico did in that chapter was to hook his brain to a non-negator's mind and see the differences between his memories and the regular persons

You just made me think of something.

I wonder how the loops work for some people to seem to be able to recall a past loop.

When the languages changed for everyone in the world and became a universal one i.e. English, Chikara was the odd one out among his classmates. Basically, the change of the language did not apply to him (He could still speak Japanese).
How I see it, Negators who live through different loops retain all their memories of past loops. It would explain some things (Like Juiz and Victor remembering each other). Because from what we have seen so far in the story, whenever a new punishment is added to the world, only Negators are able to remember how things were before. And not just Union Negators, all of them. The term 'god-slaying' Negators kinda adds up when you realize that they are able to be unaffected by certain changes in the world.
TL : DR- As long as you manage to make it past Ragnarok, you will live in the New World, with all your memories intact of the previous one(s)

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 10, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 9, 2020 ---

Spoiler: Younger Juiz

 

[Nie Li]

You just made me think of something.


When the languages changed for everyone in the world and became a universal one i.e. English, Chikara was the odd one out among his classmates. Basically, the change of the language did not apply to him (He could still speak Japanese).
How I see it, Negators who live through different loops retain all their memories of past loops. It would explain some things (Like Juiz and Victor remembering each other). Because from what we have seen so far in the story, whenever a new punishment is added to the world, only Negators are able to remember how things were before. And not just Union Negators, all of them. The term 'god-slaying' Negators kinda adds up when you realize that they are able to be unaffected by certain changes in the world.
TL : DR- As long as you manage to make it past Ragnarok, you will live in the New World, with all your memories intact of the previous one(s)

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 10, 2020, Original Post Date: Oct 9, 2020 ---

Spoiler: Younger Juiz

That could be it. If every negator is able to retain their memories, then I can see a loop happening in the middle of the manga if this is really going to be a long shonen.

Also, Juiz's cute.

 

[Wookitake]

That's something that I had already understood (specially in regards to Viktor), even though I got confused in some other details of the plot.

Indeed this can be very long, and we can deal with lots of Ragnaroks. The best is that the order of UMAs to be added can be different, such that the world changes each time. Quite fun.

 

[Hermit]

Chapter 35 is out

 

[James Rye]

Man, when Andy's forehead wound started to bleed I was like "Oh no, not now!" but it seems Victhor is just raging inside. I liked the memories from the past worlds, old Gina, cool Void, dead Nico. Juiz must similar to Victhor have an ability, artifact or UMA to keep jumping worlds and avoid her own end. Or she has a way of retaining memories when reborn or something like that. Makes me wonder when Billy took wind of the whole deal and when he decided to go rogue as he must have been part of Union for who knows how many loops.

 

[lgrmjauffre]

The latest revelation in Undead Unluck is probably going to be divisive amongst people, and I already get the feeling that's going to get on my nerves.

 

[Ebrietas-]

The latest revelation in Undead Unluck is probably going to be divisive amongst people, and I already get the feeling that's going to get on my nerves.

The twist was pretty obvious and predicted by many readers anyway.

Spoiler

I don't see it becoming annoying since i doubt we will see more than one loop

 

[lgrmjauffre]

The twist was pretty obvious and predicted by many readers anyway. I don't see it becoming annoying too since i doubt we will see more than one loop

I know. I'm not worried about the writing; the writing is stellar. I'm more worried about...casual readers, lets say, for better or worse. They'll either bitch about it constantly, or praise it as the greatest plot device ever, which it isn't. Hard to win with Jump readers nowadays.