Where Sanji come from? He got his own thread. We talking about Zoro fainting and easily being hurt by enemies as well running away. COA didn't help him at all, so why with Vergo? Got give rid of insecurities and admit Zoro gets more beat here even with Enma which he has 50/50 chance.
Sure, so Vergo didn't use haki against Sanji, which I overlooked when I included him in that list.
The point you're making is that Vergo can generate a lot of power with little to no momentum? So how does him being able to do that give him victory over Zoro?Vergo was at a fraction of his full strength bc of an attack that would kill just about anyone else. Even here looks casual as fuck while doing it as if this is jsut another day on the job for him one-shotting Smoker like guys, and he is in a mortally wounded state he doesnt even have any momentum here, it's a stationary attack
Who is more durable than Zoro, Tashigi? I think you equate taking any sort of damage as a defeat but regardless, no, I don't believe anyone( myself included) would think for a second that Tashigi as profficient as she is is more durable than Zoro.
The sanji part is a combat feat for vergo where he can defeat sanji easily. I am just being objective here and tells the feats from both zoro and vergo.
Nah you already made a thread for him. So bringing him is redundant. We talking about Zoro and his lackluster feats. The man who fainted easily will not take out the guy who can handle blows better than him. Stick to your narrative on the topic.
I do. Topic is about vergo and zoro. So i just give vergo feats. No need to be so bitter about vergo beating sanji.
I honestly don't think anything more could be said. This post encompasses literally every aspect of this fight.
Nah, your not as your bringing in another character when you already made a thread for it. Redundant and you really got stick where your going with your point. Zoro has been downgraded with his COA as Wano shows as if it didn't stop him from fainting and handling blows, Vergo just destroy him given his more flexibility with Haki is better than Zoro's who doesn't have time to react and need to charge his Haki before use.
I don't think there's any indication we've seen in any previous arc to back up the claim you're making that Zoro's CoA has been "downgraded", so unless you can provide a ref from a previous arc and let me know what current scene you're comparing it to...
You're right, Vergo being a rokushiki user means he could use his haki in a number of ways( full body cladding, strengthening his rankyaku, shigan, etc), but that in no way proves it's stronger than Zoro, but I accept this is merely your opinion on the matter. Zoro being a swordsman means he would have little use to clad his legs (for example) in haki during a battle. Unless you're saying Vergo can break Zoro's swords while imbued in haki?
Given performance we seen in him struggling, I can't say PH Zoro would do much and Pica isn't good option to push he could take on Vergo since he was coward in fighting up-front and not full on combat like Vergo. Can't see Zoro being on beating him like that at all. However, I can give an 50/50 shot with Enma can beat Vergo, but he need to watchout on Vergo not taking advantage. After fights with Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Kamazou, Gyukimaro, and Apoo, kinda makes me feel on Zoro's level isn't that far ahead. Can only give him a shot with Enma, but he clearly lacks flexibility on using Haki in defensive manner to block or predict when attacks come compare to Vergo who has better usage on flexibility. So I agree on Enma, but feel it could go either way.
zoro beat full-body CoA pica with ease. It showed how strong Zoro's haki was. Zoro beats vergo in both rounds here
No, PH Zoro would do a lot, especially when he was able to beat Pica like it was nothing once Pica was forced to take him head on. Combined with Zoro's ability to push himself to cut through almost anything (Daz Bones being an example), it'd make sense he can bypass Vergo's haki. Using those fights as examples don't work when Zoro wasn't serious, was distracted, or whatnot.
Pica isn't on same level though as what make him strong was his DF which really not hard to break apart stone at all. Steel is harder than Stone with Daz Bones. We can see Zoro was push to extreme with Daz, but Pica was fodder-enemy he never felt struggle much once unless he is trying to chase him. He was more hide and seek enemy, not confrontal one. With Vergo it's much different on how his Haki is beyond his in close combat and Zoro would have trouble with him over Pica anyday in a fight. I can't put him above given how he been treated as of late. Enma I can give it, but idk about his performance before that as he hasn't beaten anyone to state he was surperior to Vergo even with Pica.
good point.
how do you know pica isn't the same level? Both are on the same rank in doflamingo crew (directly below doflamingo).
Vergo's haki might be stronger than Pica's, but it shouldn't be by much. People downgrade Pica because of how easily he was sliced by Zoro, but don't realize that's not necessarily because Pica's haki is weak.
bad example with garp. Garp was offered a chance to be admiral. Not the case for vergo.
He is rank VA though just like Maynard, so by that logic we go by 'ranks', could Maynard be on Garp's level? No he isn't, so you can't push ranks and titles to push someone is stronger than another if evidence doesn't push their performance to be on that level.
