Fantasy Wahl Icht vs Yura Invel

[Hermit]

How would a fight between these two Spriggan 12 members play out?
Participant 1: Wahl Icht
Magic:Weakness Magic, Alchemy

Participant 2:Invel Yura
Magic:Ice Magic

 

[Static]

Invel mid-high diff IMO

 

[Cosmicstar]

Whal low difficulty. I doubt Ice lock would work on a Machine. Whal already has a counter for Ice Magic.

Whal is stronger physically. faster and have more attack power.

 

[Jko]

Invel mid-high diff IMO

Yeah this. Invel is just more impressive altogether.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Invel would win this mid-high diff imo. He's simply had the better showing, and although Wall could possibly do some mean damage to him given the opportunity, I think Invel can push through and prevail in the end.

 

[Doughboy]

I'll take Wall, idk it'll be hard though. Invel can make the fighting field into a snow globe but his weakness is close combat which Wall excels at. If he match his ice attacks from long range Wall can win high diff

 

[Seven777]

Wahl wins imo, the dude is just a lot more versatile and has far greater destructive power, all Invel's got is Ice Armor and Ice Blasts, while Wahl has that massive "sky scorching" nuke, bullets, tracking missiles, anti matter cannons etc, he can also see Invel's weaknesses and exploit them.
Invel seems pretty slow too so i doubt he'll be dodging many attacks, in the end i think Whal would simply overpower him with his greater dc.

 

[The President]

Out of sheer curiosity, how tf does Invel take this? Like, I'd understand the claim if he was a regular guy because of Ice Lock (even then I'd NLF the living shit out of that argument) but here that won't even be a factor cause Wahl works on a microchip (robot), no human consciousness to exploit. His armor is CQC reliant (no speed feats from regular Invel, let alone an Invel in heavy armor) and Wahl is plenty adapt at long range so that won't be beneficial for him. Weakness magic hard counters Invels ability, something as simple as constant heat emission would suffice in preventing Wahls circuits from freezing. This is hardly a fight, Wahl obliterates him with no more difficulty then Gray did in base. Like, I don't even understand how one could bring up a winning argument for Invel here.

 

[Jko]

Weakness couldn't even stop RL he ain't doing crud to Invel's Deviant Ice.

Here we go with NLF bs again. A fan term that was exploited beyond belief and now the term is muddled.

Invel wins his powers are greater than Wahl's. Gray only won bcs he snatched Invel's ice. At least Invel lost to an opponent he had a disadvantage against not the other way around *coughWahlcough*

 

[The President]

Weakness couldn't even stop RL he ain't doing crud to Invel's Deviant Ice.

Invels deviant ice ain't even touching him.

Here we go with NLF bs again. A fan term that was exploited beyond belief and now the term is muddled.

Spoiler

Did you really just call the NLF a "fan made" term?

Invel wins his powers are greater than Wahl's. Gray only won bcs he snatched Invel's ice. At least Invel lost to an opponent he had a disadvantage against not the other way around *coughWahlcough*

Just saying his power is great or he is more impressive isn't gonna cut it here, thats all I've seen (those one liners usually mean bias, either for or against). I've yet to see a legitimate argument as to how Invel actually wins this. Wahl had an advantage but he lost via disadvantage. Plus, Wahl is more suited for haxy characters like Invel then he is characters with raw power like Laxus, despite being fully capable of hitting heavy himself (which is what makes him one of the most impressive spriggan). Invel is trash who couldn't react to Grays speed (both pre- and post POF), was coughing out teeth with every punch (from base Gray) and who's trump card is a stationary glass canon that requires his opponent to have no long range capabilities whatsoever. Wahl has Invel beat in every single facet of battle here. I can't stress how hard Invel gets curbed. Wahl won't even need to resort to his Assault mode to win this.

 

[Jko]

Invels deviant ice ain't even touching him.

Spoiler

Did you really just call the NLF a "fan made" term?



Just saying his power is great or he is more impressive isn't gonna cut it here, thats all I've seen (those one liners usually mean bias, either for or against). I've yet to see a legitimate argument as to how Invel actually wins this. Wahl had an advantage but he lost via disadvantage. Plus, Wahl is more suited for haxy characters like Invel then he is characters with raw power like Laxus, despite being fully capable of hitting heavy himself (which is what makes him one of the most impressive spriggan). Invel is trash who couldn't react to Grays speed (both pre- and post POF), was coughing out teeth with every punch (from base Gray) and who's trump card is a stationary glass canon that requires his opponent to have no long range capabilities whatsoever. Wahl has Invel beat in every single facet of battle here. I can't stress how hard Invel gets curbed. Wahl won't even need to resort to his Assault mode to win this.

How not? Wahl ain't got anything to say otherwise.

NLF is a fan made term bro. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Know your fallacies bcs NLF isn't one of them.

He insta froze Natsu and his flames. Natsu vaporized sand which is 4100+ F heat feat and Invel no diff that.Wahl got little durability feats bcs the only thing he tanked was something he was immune to. Invel however doesn't have immunity and got beat by his own Ice. Said Ice was freezing and destroying an Ice DeS.

Invel reacted to Gray after the intial shock he had both times. Not once was it said ice ramient was starionary. Glass canon my ass at least he didn't get oneshotted by an element he was immune to. Wahl gets beat bcs he ain't doing jack to Invel's ice. Freezing Natsu without moving is easily a far greater feat than taking hits from an element you're immune to.

 

[Brandish μ]

Wall can probably beat up Invel with punches like Gray did. Add to that his Assault offence is enough to get the win. I don't wanna say low-mid diff, but it's not high diff either.

 

[**Silver**]

Laxus---->Gray
Wahl----->Invel

Wahl wins this High-difficulty

 

[Jean Grey]

Wall takes this with ease. he is good at CQC while Invel sucks at it. Wall's base punch send Laxus flying through a city block and he took little to no damage from Laxus' physical attacks. he also stalemated him with a physical attack in his base. his Historia pushed Minerva to extreme diff and Minerva is far from being a fodder. he can also send his bots to be immune to ice and attack Invel in CQC while Wall charges up his Etherion, Missiles, Bullets, Lightning attacks, Fire nuke, Super Long Distance Anti - Material Cannon to stomp him.

 

[Spirit]

In terms of sheer power Wahl is still outclassed by Invel. And the Winter General has tactics on his side too. I say Invel stomps here.
Wahl may have superior CQC but Invel's magic is more hax.

 

[Jko]

Wall can probably beat up Invel with punches like Gray did. Add to that his Assault offence is enough to get the win. I don't wanna say low-mid diff, but it's not high diff either.

That's getting ahead of yourself. Invel easily tanked Gray's fist and we saw what those fist could do when he clashed with pseudo END. He also matched Natsu in physicals back in the Avatar and we saw Natsu's physicals when jobbing. No way Wahl has better physicals than Gray. Invel was at a disadvantage against Gray Wahl however had a double advantage against Laxus. How is Wahl getting out flash freeze that froze Natsu and his flames with just Invel's aura alone? Ice Deviant, Flash Freeze, and Ice Slave are end gamers.

 

[Hermit]

One thing I've been wondering all this time, if Invel insta freezes Wahl the same way he did with Team Natsu, how is Wahl going to break out of that?
In my opinion, Invel's Ice is too powerful for Wahl to break through honestly.
The fight could even end right there and then.

 

[Seven777]

Invel's ice freezing Natsu was impressive, but it isnt an instant win, we have seen that when Natsu really wants to he can let off an aura of heat that can unfreeze those around him instantaneously. Wahl easily breaks out of the ice with the many Jetpacks on his body, or he just does what Azir did to Gray's DeS ice and casually jumps out.
Wahl's far superior firepower overwhelms Invel, random ice blasts isnt gonna cut it, and Wahl will easily see through Ice Armor, probably just nukes it with that massive fireball, i dont see how Invel wins this, he just doesnt have the firepower, he's only got one bloody offensive attack, and its not even named, he's a low tier spriggan

 

[Ebony Maw]

I'll go with Invel for now, though I could be swayed. Either way, I think it's a mid/high diff.

 

[Hermit]

Azir did to Gray's DeS ice and casually jumps out.

It wasn't DeS Ice, it was Normal Ice Magic, that's why Gray said, Ice Make:Silver. If it was DeS he would have said something like Ice Devil's

Wahl easily breaks out of the ice with the many Jetpacks on his body

How though? We haven't seen anything from Wahl that indicates he can break out of Ice.