Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Teeba]

It is quite different from what you expect. The new series is gag manga, and the main protagonist just acts like he is from fairy tales.

Oh really? o_O That makes it even more interesting. I will definitely look at it if someone scans it.

 

[Tulkas]

Wow, when was the last time OP didnt make it in the Top 2???
1-2Years ago? ^^
After all, no surprise after all the epic arcs, now OP is back to normal(even if it is FMI).

With the new batch and LW ending, there should be another 8-10 weeks til a new batch of series, so enough time for Mago to rise again and the new arc looks awesome.

 

[Drmke]

Wow, when was the last time OP didnt make it in the Top 2???
1-2Years ago? ^^

Actually back in August It was beat by Toriko, Naruto, and Mago for one week.

 

[Kaiten]

I'm assuming Oda turned in his manuscript late Only thing that can knock it out of first place is Sasuke, a hiatus, or Oda getting punished.

 

[Nuno]

Well It's about time OP got off it's throne again. It's kind of ridiculous that it's always up there, not EVERY OP chapter > All others in Jump EVERY week. The top 2 of the TOCs are just wrong and unfair most of the time, it's boring.

 

[Koen]

but I'm also kinda glad Medaka is still down there with them...

May I know why you are glad? In 90% of the cases, the haters, who hate medaka box, probably haven't read more than 30 chapters. Medaka Box is quite narrative compared to Mago, Reborn, Beelzebub, Bleach,... The stories are also quite interesting and solid throughout its arcs. You can see that a good storyteller is behind this manga in contrast to the repetitiveness illness a lot of mangaka have in their specific WSJ series. Medaka Box is unrighteously an unappreciated, underestimated manga

 

[Drmke]

May I know why you are glad? In 90% of the cases, the haters, who hate medaka box, probably haven't read more than 30 chapters. Medaka Box is quite narrative compared to Mago, Reborn, Beelzebub,... It is also quite interesting and solid throughout its arcs. You can see that a good storyteller is behind this manga in contrast to a lot of repetitiveness in WSJ series. Medaka Box is unrighteously an unappreciated, underestimated manga

I read through chapter 50 or so and got bored. I'm not necessarily glad because it's Medaka Box that is low but I'd much rather it be lower than something I enjoy reading like say Mago >.> I'm not exactly sure why I don't like the series, I just can't seem to enjoy the story or like any of the main heroes in the story.

Definitely good narrative but just don't like the plot as a whole and no matter how it's told I don't think it'd be my thing. But I don't hate it and if it does rise up and become one of the top tiers of Jump then I'll be happy for the fans. But like I said, I'd much rather it go than the series I like Selfishness I know lol

 

[Nii]

I'm assuming Oda turned in his manuscript late Only thing that can knock it out of first place is Sasuke, a hiatus, or Oda getting punished.

Or Hiramaru not a bad thing seeing One Piece in third, it's boring if it's always the same. Bakuman deserved the second place, as it was a high quality chapter! Mago being still in the bottom 5 is bad, I really hope it won't be another Psyren. Wonder what got into the japanese fans to rate it that bad the last few weeks

I'm glad that Enigma being in the bottom 5 was fake, it's an interesting story with a lot of potential. Sakaki is doing a good job so far and I'm curious to see how the story will develop

May I know why you are glad? In 90% of the cases, the haters, who hate medaka box, probably haven't read more than 30 chapters. Medaka Box is quite narrative compared to Mago, Reborn, Beelzebub, Bleach,... The stories are also quite interesting and solid throughout its arcs. You can see that a good storyteller is behind this manga in contrast to the repetitiveness illness a lot of mangaka have in their specific WSJ series. Medaka Box is unrighteously an unappreciated, underestimated manga

I agree with you Koen! Medaka Box is quite underestimated, maybe because of it's ridiculousness or to be more precise, it's irony. It's a little parody, just like Bakemono. There are a lot funny of moments showing you the sometimes ludicrous standards in Shounen or like Kumagawa said: "It's not like we're in Shounen Jump"
Hope the series will get more fans!

 

[Koen]

Oh for me it is the opposite: I think that Mago is quite boring nowadays. I can really understand the result in the bottom. After the Toono training arc, Mago has become imo too generic. It lost its charm kinda like Psyren did on an exact moment. Anyway, everyone has their own taste but you are missing something

Spoiler

Zenkichi has more stage time nowadays. Some dead female president lives in him. She is also someone killed by Kumegawa. For some reason, she has given her eyes power to Zenkichi

Here
given by her

 

[Teeba]

I also think besides the sharp genre shift, Medaka Box definitely is a bit unloved. I quite enjoy the chapters when I read them.

I have heard good things about Mago, but after hearing a particularly scathing review of its anime, I have lost interest. xD

I am really curious that the Hiramaru chapter of Bakuman got such good feedback. It was an amazing chapter, but wow, that really surprised me when I found out it was that chapter the ranking is based off of!

 

[Divinenega]

I also think besides the sharp genre shift, Medaka Box definitely is a bit unloved. I quite enjoy the chapters when I read them.

I have heard good things about Mago, but after hearing a particularly scathing review of its anime, I have lost interest. xD

I am really curious that the Hiramaru chapter of Bakuman got such good feedback. It was an amazing chapter, but wow, that really surprised me when I found out it was that chapter the ranking is based off of!

Allow me to put it this way: Mago is worh reading, but not worth watching. The anime screws around with manga events a bit too much...

I also agree that Medaka Box needs a bit more love...but it's still doing solid in volume sales so all is fine. I just wish they'd make an anime announcement already. It has enough chapters, and in addition to selling pretty well the author was behind Bakemonogatari which has sold an absurd amount of Blu-Rays. You figure it'd be a no-brainer...or perhaps their waiting for Medaka's 2 year anniversary to role around. Speaking of which, when is that again?

 

[Drmke]

I also agree that Medaka Box needs a bit more love...but it's still doing solid in volume sales so all is fine. I just wish they'd make an anime announcement already. It has enough chapters, and in addition to selling pretty well the author was behind Bakemonogatari which has sold an absurd amount of Blu-Rays. You figure it'd be a no-brainer...or perhaps their waiting for Medaka's 2 year anniversary to role around. Speaking of which, when is that again?

Eh, if I was you I wouldn't want an anime this soon. Unless or course you want it plagued with filler and if they do a shorter anime, one that has a filler ending that are usually crap. It'll probably need to be around it's 3rd anniversary for a good non-filler anime.

 

[Mr. Prince]

Oh, c'mon... The most horrible one turns out to be the real deal. This one is just so not to my liking. Guess, if this continues I'll cancel my subscription to the magazine. I don't see any reason to pay for shit like that...

 

[Crude]

Maybe it was the anime, but my enjoyment of Mago seems to have decreased. The anime was great during it's first half, the latter half being very drawn-out. The animation was pretty good, so were the character designs, but they changed some events and characters' personalities a bit. It actually made me dislike Tsurara. The manga also seems to have suffered during the latter half of the Hagoromo Gitsune arc. It was basically Rikuo doing all of the fighting. The Seimei twist was good though. I have no idea where it's going these last few chapters...

Anyway, I'm kind of bummed out seeing Enigma's ranking. I think its as good as its always been, perhaps the Kurisu mini-arc being a little on the long side is all. These last few chapters have been pretty exciting, so I'm hoping it's ranking will increase.

 

[Divinenega]

Eh, if I was you I wouldn't want an anime this soon. Unless or course you want it plagued with filler and if they do a shorter anime, one that has a filler ending that are usually crap. It'll probably need to be around it's 3rd anniversary for a good non-filler anime.

No I think it could work at the moment if it's paced correctly...as in not done by Studio Pierrot since they haven't had good pacing for an anime since Hikaru no Go(though I still enjoy most of their adaptions).

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Yeah, Medaka's vastly improved as of late. I used to hate it myself but I caught up recently and I was kind of amazed at how much better it gets once the plot gets going.

I think Mago's problem is that Shiibashi had no idea how to end the Gitsune arc, and now he's stalling for time with filler until he can figure it out. Though it seems like he's also trying to pander to the anime fans that are pretty much only in for it for the filler antics, which is disappointing.

 

[Teeba]

@Divinenega-- I'll keep that in mind. I'm not much of an anime watcher myself, so its probably unfair of me to judge a manga by its anime when I'd probably read the manga first. :

Eh, if I was you I wouldn't want an anime this soon. Unless or course you want it plagued with filler and if they do a shorter anime, one that has a filler ending that are usually crap. It'll probably need to be around it's 3rd anniversary for a good non-filler anime.

And yet...the Beelzebub anime just started and it barely has 100 chapters. I agree, when an anime starts so soon after a series it can only end in hair-pulling fillers.

Yeah, Medaka's vastly improved as of late. I used to hate it myself but I caught up recently and I was kind of amazed at how much better it gets once the plot gets going.

Like I said before, once you get over the genre shift, the plot becomes something quite incredible and post-modern. The logic used reminds me of the latter half of Neuro, actually. There is something kind of un-Jump like about it, but it works in its favor.

Also, another series I am quite pleased with is Hokenshitu no Shinigami. I don't know how long it's going to survive, but its managed to stay relatively combat-free, which is refreshing. I hope it goes up a little, in the ranks.

 

[Josef]

Really? That's quite amusing, actually. xD Though you can't pull too many fake spoilers, then everyone will know its fake. >_>

I am excited about two Beelzebub colorspreads in a row, that makes me happy.

Ok, so my opinions of the TOC still stands. Pleased to see Bakuman doing so well, Medaka Box and Shinigami hold in there, you guys will be just fine!

I am really interested in this new series. I like fairy tales, and I think it would be refreshing for Jump readers to see something based on folk tales that aren't Japanese ones.

The thing was they were faking Ohana's and other reliable source's codes on 2ch, which meant they did not need to fake the spoiler, people were fooled because they thought it was really Ohana posting them.

I never knew it would happen to the ToC as well, it never seemed that much important as the spoilers for the big three, but oh well there is a first time for everything.

 

[Asarii]

Sal, thank you so much for clearing things up. This week (or rather today) has been quite interesting. My amusement would be frustration instead if we were still in the dark.

As for the real ranking, I like Bakuman's placement and Sket being in its comfort zone. OP will rise back up next week so I'm not worried about it. However, I am concerned about Enigma (despite being on solid ground) and Mago.

 

[Westlo]

Medaka shouldn't get an anime until the current arc is concluded, it would be criminal if the anime was made and mostly consisted of stuff before this current arc.