Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[nonowa]

The revelations in Neverland's newest chapter where really good and truly made believe the manga has what it takes to grow even further.

 

[Tamil]

The revelations in Neverland's newest chapter where really good and truly made believe the manga has what it takes to grow even further.

Well it's only 7 volumes in, if it couldn't grow even further then it's fucked, no?

 

[nonowa]

Well it's only 7 volumes in, if it couldn't grow even further then it's fucked, no?

Soma got to the same point and didn't grow much more. Neverland's newest volume crossed Soma's newest volume.

 

[Tamil]

Soma got to the same point and didn't grow much more. Neverland's newest volume crossed Soma's newest volume.

Lmao touche.

A shame that Soma is still going, I want to see it end soon. Just put it out of it's misery already.

 

[OfficialHxH]

Beelzebub was like a Gintama. A comedy manga with a battle manga aesthetic. Not necessarily a parody, yet self aware. I think it was pretty successful for such a tonally ambitious manga in Jump.
One of my favorite manga ever.

I wish Beelzebub would come back. For the most part that manga was awesome

 

[TyVip]

Neverland's newest volume crossed Soma's newest volume.

This is completely normal hello??

Man, Yabuki is unrestrained on Jump Plus
You guys think the first volume of DarliFra will be as successful as World End Harem? I think it have a legitimate shot at being a 100k seller
24 anime episodes is at least 8 volumes in manga
8 volumes is at least 2 years in real life time
this is kinda of a long term commitment so it better be successful for Yabuki's sake

My boy Yabuki can turn anything he touches into silver, just like my God Murata turns anything he touches into gold.
Although there is one thing i'm still confused. Does Yabuki follows the script given to him on the anime or what?
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On a side note i'm reading Toriko right now (70) and I do believe Toriko world has massive inflation in money. They talking billion with a B and every receipt Toriko has it's in the million.

 

[Franz]

Number of years is irrelevant.
The following is the usual pattern;
1. Manga starts
2. Gets popular and gets decent to good rank consistently
3. Magazine push (CPs, marketing, Vomic, Drama CV etc.) helps volume sales peak without anime
4. Anime announced which leads to some interest in the series
5. Anime airs and the series sales picks up. Number of years in this is irrelevant.
6. Anime constantly airs but series sales will not increase further or increase is very minimal meaning peak sales has been obtained. Number of years in this is irrelevant.
7. Anime continues but sales either remain constant for some more time or start dipping if the quality of the arcs start dipping. Number of years in this is irrelevant.
8. The manga could end here but many times, the anime ends first (No more new seasons)
9. Sales keep dipping if manga keeps going and then eventually manga either ends on its own or is cancelled

There are obvious exceptions to this but GENERALLY this is how it goes.

Step 6 is where BC is at right now. There was an increase in sales of around 30-50k which was visible clearly. But the sales increase is almost non-existent now. Look at the increase TPN is getting past month. THAT's a notable increase and it's still there. It's still impacting the volume sales.
Can BC increase more? Sure, plausible. But that would mean it needs to pull something really good outta its rear to generate more buzz. I don't see that happening. Unless you tell me there was something amazing that could be animated this season which will generate great buzz, I don't see another increase coming.

I disagree, for me the number of years counts, especially in these times when manga that once would have lasted years now can not overcome one
it will not explain why Toriko or Reborn have reached eight years of publication despite their period of fame has lasted little real life.

TPN sells more because a new release and because it is expelled a lot from the Jump.

I do not agree with the fact that Black Clover has reached the peak of sales, how can you say if you do not have the data of the new volume?

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Yeah, I feel like they won't give up yet. They'll probably go at it for only one more year in full force though. They might have a season two planned already. A movie seems possible, but Pierrot might focus on Boruto movies instead, since they probably are more profitable.

It does not seem to me that Boruto is so successful as to justify a film ....

The first exploited the wave of Naruto's final, but a second?

 

[cody]

Why is that hard to believe? It's not just Toriko but a lot of other battle shonens have little asspulls. Toriko came to mind since it's the more recent ones that had very little to none asspulls.

Anyway someone cleared it up and it wasn't an asspull. I guess people, including myself, were jumping to conclusions as people on 2ch were fine with the recent spoiler.

I look forward to the day I try out Toriko, it looks so good. I need to catch up to Kimetsu.

 

[justanotherone]

Lmao touche.

A shame that Soma is still going, I want to see it end soon. Just put it out of it's misery already.

I really don't get why people wish for something to end. You know you could just... don't read it if you hate it that much? It's like "I hate it so my opinion is absolute I want it gone". Please think about the mangaka and the fact that it's literally their jobs and they get a living out of that. Not that your words matter at the end of the day but still idgi

 

[Doughboy]

^in other words "the GIA mentality" lol. How is Food Wars lately? Haven't read since people were triggered off that match. It's been months.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Was beel a complete flop though? I mean, yeah it wasn't a huge success but it was more comedy than action I'd say.
If you consider it as a comedy manga, it did pretty well. Furuichi was one of the funniest characters WSJ had since maybe anything from Gintama.
But yeah, if you talk about it as a battle manga, I'd say it didn't do well.

Anime did really poorly that it got canned early and sales of the manga didn't really increase. Ranking wise it remained stagnant throughout until it got canned.

 

[tirakai]

Personally I think Soma is the best it's been in years, I'm glad it stopped all the cartoonishly evil moustache twirling villains cheating crap and just focused on the cooking battles again, I missed this Soma.

 

[savethecat]

I really don't get why people wish for something to end. You know you could just... don't read it if you hate it that much? It's like "I hate it so my opinion is absolute I want it gone". Please think about the mangaka and the fact that it's literally their jobs and they get a living out of that. Not that your words matter at the end of the day but still idgi

sometimes you can be a fan of something, but continue to read it every weeks, even when the quality has dropped, due to obligation that you need to see the series end due to being a fan.

For a series going on as long as Food Wars the 2 mangaka will be just fine once the series ends. And they’ll find more work. No sense in worrying about them.

And for even less famous mangaka, if they’re writing a bad series, yeah it’s their job, but they’re holding up a spot in the magazine. When saying “I want this series cancelled”, of course you don’t want them homeless about on the streets, but maybe this manga they’re writing just isn’t the one. Or maybe manga just isn’t for them. Unless we gave the mangaka pity votes, if we simply “not read”, we’re directly responsible for their cancellation anyway(well not US, because we can’t vote for Jump, but you get what I mean).

 

[Mammo]

This is completely normal hello??

no, this is the first time TPN overtook Soma while on Oricon 50

 

[Tarot]

I don't want to get into this too much but the cons (or more likely the schedule) of long running anime are already catching up with BC.


I posted this in the BC anime thread, but the director, Yoshihara is apologizing for Episode 17, saying that lots of parts "melted" and that its due to his lack of ability. What this means exactly we'll have to see on Tuesday but it can be anything from a few bad frames to some pretty bad sequences.

Um what? How did you even get that translation? He is apologizing for melt down after working very hard on episode 17 and that the staff are exhausted. He also said in another tweet prior to this that he'll disclose something after episode 17.

 

[TyVip]

no, this is the first time TPN overtook Soma while on Oricon 50

I know that, i’m talking about new series surpassing establish series in sales. Completely normal.

How is Food Wars lately? Haven't read since people were triggered off that match. It's been months.

It is boo boo. I hate it.

 

[Tamil]

I really don't get why people wish for something to end. You know you could just... don't read it if you hate it that much? It's like "I hate it so my opinion is absolute I want it gone". Please think about the mangaka and the fact that it's literally their jobs and they get a living out of that. Not that your words matter at the end of the day but still idgi

I don't read it atm and what's wrong with me wanting it to end? The longer it goes on, the worse it'll get. I enjoyed Soma but I have to say it's gone to shit lately and the big decline in sales speaks for itself. It's just like how when Toriko was declining in quality a lot near the end that I wanted it to end and I'm glad it ended the way it did since if it went on longer then it would've degraded the quality even further. Same applies for Soma. There's only so much you can do with the shokugeki concept and most shokugeki's are so predictable.

If a series isn't doing well it deserves to end, especially when it's 20+ volumes in. Just like how if a company is doing poorly, it deserves to fail. Don't worry about their living, I'm sure with money they made by just being serialized, volume sales & royalties is enough to cover them for life. I obviously wish their livelihood is good after the series ends (which I'm sure it will).

 

[nonowa]

I know that, i’m talking about new series surpassing establish series in sales. Completely normal.

Doctor Stone isn't surpassing any established series just yet and BC never caught up to Soma.

 

[De La Croissant]

Well it's only 7 volumes in, if it couldn't grow even further then it's fucked, no?

Death Note says: no.

 

[Doughboy]

Still can't help but find the idea of being a completionist in most cases to be a cringey reason to hang onto something that's no longer entertaining or fun but honestly I get it. Boruto probably is the best example that relates to this. I still enjoy the world of Naruto and its lore enough, when the old cast pops up, the curiosity if Naruto dies or not. The manga from day 1 has been incredibly low quality though, and seems to get worse as the series goes on. So yeah I much rather be a completionist than a masochist, that stuff is for straight up weirdos. Makes no sense.