Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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There's a lot that was canceled on the jump that really looks interesting visually.

about RxL, I do not think his failure would have crippled the genre, but maybe it's time for the jump to invest in more different things in the sporting genre than what he's doing with the battle shonen (chainsaw man, JJK, KnY doing so well) .

Maybe something like the young jump does, as is the case of tiempo, bungou and rikudou.
 

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We don't know if it's "underpreforming" because we don't know Jump's expectations.
But we can say that, compared to it's ToC positions, it doesn't sell that much.
But does that matter in every case? Bleach was like bottom 5 forever and selling 500k+ a volume, even during the final arc.
 

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Isn't Takaya the one that was well recieved at the beginning, then fell off and to save it, the mangaka rebooted the manga by turning it from a regular school setting to an isekai fantasy one while dropping every single character from the school part but the main duo?
Yup! And it renumbered for that last volume, even though the reboot had no fanfare or promo AT ALL. Madness
 

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Though of course I doubt RxL's failure's going to completely ruin a genre for WSJ forever like Takaya did.
What genre?
 

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What genre?
Like I said above, Takaya turned to isekai, which was a very controverisal change at the time and was quickly axed. Since then, there were....0 isekai manga in the magazine, if I remember well.
 

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I'm fairly certain he killed her, the most popular character, literally to spite fans for turning it into a flop. I doubt that was his original intention, he was just upset people wouldn't give his manga the time of day, for some reason.
Well Next time, He should take an simpler concept/setting.
 

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Like I said above, Takaya turned to isekai, which was a very controverisal change at the time and was quickly axed. Since then, there were....0 isekai manga in the magazine, if I remember well.
Yeh Thank God, idk that author was smoking.. isekai shouldnt never be allowed
 

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I'm analyzing in more detail this in this post:

Better quality pic for better detail:


First things are first. I'm guessing we are getting a 90s, 00s, and 10s version of this in following weeks. So my issue, despite loving 80s is... why does Shueisha love to forget 70s? Shonen Jump started in 1968 but for this type of stuff, it always seems Shonen Jump started in 1980, erasing the first 12 years of its existence like they didn't exist despite having some important stuff (I know Mazinger Z is banned, but they still have Otoko Ippiki, Kochikame, Ring ni Kakero, Cobra, Play Ball, Dokonjo Gaeru, Koya no Shonen Isamu, Doberman Deka, Circuit no Okami, Samurai Giants, Astro Kyudan, Harenchi Gakuen, etc).

Now entering in 80s per see, Shueisha picked the most important 5 titles from 80s, plus the 8th and 9th one. What important title is missing for me? Captain Tsubasa. But seems this selection is based on pure action (inb4 in 90s we are getting Slam Dunk). I also miss JoJo, since both Part 1 and 2 happened there (and currently they are at least more important than Sakigake, Rokudenashi, and City Hunter).

For the titles:
-Dragon Ball: Obviously. I would have put Kid Goku tbh. Saiyan Goku didn't happen until late 1989 and is more like Dragon Ball 90s version.
-Hokuto no Ken: Of course.
-Saint Seiya: Of course. Also, this goes according with what I say that I'm surprised that Saint Seiya has 25 or 35 million copies print sold in Japan; Shueisha gives it the treatment a title with +50 million copies print would get.
-City Hunter: Ok.
-Kinnikuman: OF COURSE. I'm still surprised Jump Force didn't include him tbh.
-Sakigake Otokojuku: I'm surprised they gave importance to it. It deserves it totally, but I've seen how in Jump 50th anniversary exhibitions for example they relegated Sakigake to a secondary plane, and in action terms it looks like JoJo is currently way more important than Sakigake (the opposibe happened in 80s).
-Rokudenashi Blues: I wouldn't have put Maeda here. I would have put Jonathan or Joseph. Yep, Rokudenashi was born in 1988, but for me is more a 90s title than an 80s title. Even aesthetically you can see how different it is from the other 6 representant titles.

Other action titles that could have been there: Cobra, Ring ni Kakero (in both cases, the manga ended in 80s, they were born in late-70s so they suffer from the curse of Shueisha thinking Jump started in 1980).
 

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So, I have a question that's been on my mind for some time. Why isn't there more Jump manga with anthropomorphic characters? I mean, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are still really popular. Yojimbo was popular, etc. In a separate magazine Beastars is extremely popular.

It just seems like a concept that's really underutilized.
 

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It's not the kind of series I'd imagine they'd go for, though I guess Blue Flag's a fairly popular for them as a relationship drama?

also N T R! N T R!
 

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Since we finally have print numbers for Dr.STONE, here's the print numbers for the rest of the lineup around volume 11

HxH - 16.8 million (10 volumes)
One Piece - 16.5 million (10 volumes)
Haikyu!! - 7 million (11 volumes)
MHA - 7 million (11 volumes)
Neverland - 6.5 million (11 volumes)
Soma - 6.3 million (12 volumes)
Black Clover - 3 million (11 volumes)
Kimetsu - 2.5 million (11 volumes)
Yuuna - 2 million (11 volumes)
We Never Learn - 2 million (11 volumes)
Dr.STONE - 2 million (11 volumes)
 
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It's not the kind of series I'd imagine they'd go for, though I guess Blue Flag's a fairly popular for them as a relationship drama?

also N T R! N T R!
Well they did pick up Hina Change, which is in a similiar *mature and messed up love story thing* genre.
Blue Flag is more...."innocent", it's mature but not really trying to be controversial like the other two. I think it nails a perfect balance to be honest.
 

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Well they did pick up Hina Change, which is in a similiar *mature and messed up love story thing* genre.
Blue Flag is more...."innocent", it's mature but not really trying to be controversial like the other two. I think it nails a perfect balance to be honest.
Yeah I just thought about Hina Change, we've got a nice trashy twosome going on. I hope there's another next batch for a proper trio of trashyness.
 

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Since we finally have print numbers for Dr.STONE, here's the print numbers for the rest of the lineup around volume 11

HxH - 16.8 million (10 volumes)
One Piece - 16.5 million (10 volumes)
Haikyu!! - 7 million (11 volumes)
MHA - 7 million (11 volumes)
Neverland - 6.5 million (11 volumes)
Soma - 6.3 million (12 volumes)
Black Clover - 3 million (11 volumes)
Kimetsu - 2.5 million (11 volumes)
Yuuna - 2 million (11 volumes)
We Never Learn - 2 million (11 volumes)
Dr.STONE - 2 million (11 volumes)
Interpolating current sales numbers of Act-age and Jujutsu to volume 11, the estimated number would be:

Jujutsu Kaisen - 3.2 million
Act-age - 2.2 million

Jujutsu would have reached a higher number than Black Clover and Kimetsu if its sales trends continues.
 

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I've not read it yet, but the art style of Dear Sa-chan looks so familiar, I just can't place it. Author's name isn't familiar to me, though.
 

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The twitter Japanese poll for the best of the WSJ Issue 31 has opened, so far it is like this...
1. Jujutsu Kaisen
2. Act-Age
3. We Never Learn
4. Chainsaw Man
5. Haikyuu
6. Sayonara Manuke Yukahan-san (Oneshot)
7. Dr. Stone
8. Kimetsu no Yaiba
9. Hinomaru Zumou
10. Saigo no Saiyuuki
11. Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui
12. Beast Children
13. The Promised Neverland/Tokyo Shinobi Squad
14. One Piece/Taisei/Samurai 8/Yuuna
15. Black Clover
 
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