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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file
 
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I hate the contrived ways mangaka try so hard to create situations involving boobs. A recent example would be in Hardboiled Cop and Dolphin, where the girl's boobs just expose themselves for no reason at all.
 

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Even a lot of harem romcoms do the whole 'final pairing is very obvious from ch 1' thing with nobody else really being a serious option, even though the whole point of the genre is having lots of love interests.
Know how I said Yuuna wasn't legendary? It definitely would've been if it had the balls to pull a harem ending.

Question - What, in YOUR opinion (don't attack others), are the dumbest shonen trends/cliches that still exists today in WSJ?
Hmm...
1. Female characters being irrelevant in battle shonen. Come on, there's a significant female audience reading your work. Make sure they're represented, man! You can have female characters kick ass and just be cool. It can seriously help. Modern shonen are a bit better about this, but only a bit. Black Clover's the best in this regard, IMO.
2. Someone said obvious love interests in harems, and yeah, I'd have to agree. I do think We Never Learn and Quintuplets (from Magazine) are exceptions in that regard, though. I'd like it if one of the less obvious love interests won in general, as well.
 

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It's free real estate then, volume 2 should hit at least 50k first week.
 

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Question - What, in YOUR opinion (don't attack others), are the dumbest shonen trends/cliches that still exists today in WSJ?
  • random fanservice
  • Characters that only fit 1 personality trait (angry dude, stoic, coward, pervert, etc.)
  • In non comedic manga treating people making “funny” faces, acting perverted, or screaming obnoxiously as comedic relief (sometimes it works but most of the time it falls flat)
  • Fear of killing off important characters
  • Side characters lacking depth and character development
 

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I wish we could get a parkour manga, it could have multiple things like instead of a tournament it could have goals is trying to do a specific jump, or it could also do some tournament stuff with competitive tag and parkour that's judged.
 

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The confusion is because you mention "Damsel in Distress" trope, which cover any female character that has to be saved frequently.

The trope you are speaking is "Faux Action Girl".
I didn't even knew this trope had its own name. Then again there are thousands of tropes. I just saw that if a female character needs saving she is a damsel in distress and you can either do it the proper way by the saving making sense and "feel" right or the improper way where it just needs to happen to make the male character/MC look "good".

As for Mashle, 2nd volume sales gonna be something to watch out for.I bet WSJ breathes a large sigh of relief they got a hit already after cutting off a couple series already and Haikyu! ending soon. Hope in the new months we get some new sports series. Maybe even a fantasy sport with elves, dwarves, orcs and not just human teenagers, like a fantasy world where conflict is resolved via a certain type of sport all nations/kingdoms/races agreed on. That way the outcome of the matches would feel even heavier than just winning and losing as there will be consequences to the world afterwards.
 

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My last ones were more annoying than anything but some that are just plain bad or lazy
  • Dead/overseas parents. I get that's one way of having the teenage protagonist seem independent, but a great parent-child relationship will almost always be better. (Parents being killed off during the story don't count)
The reason for that (I read it in one of jumps interview), is that the usual parent wont allow their kids to go on an dead/live adventure. They will worry alot or/and intervene with the mc's goal.

Dekus mother is a good example

Gon's mom is a good example (even tho she accept at the end that it's his fate to do it, she is still actually against it and In the end gon is still forced at home going to school as a "punishment")

(Meanwhile Ash mom being the total opposite lol wtf)

Authors just want to phase up their story without cling to the same "uhm mom I want to be the greatest or achieve X goal but to do that I have to kill many professional assasins, I will be right back :D!"

So it make sense we have the same dead/missing parents thrope, it's just so the mc doesnt have to Worry about himself to help others in need

Ofc there are exceptions like tanjirou and asta, those have a good reason that it's worth risking their lives for their family.

So it's one of the thropes that isnt bad or needs a change, it's really part of life itself or better phasing in the authors story

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I think you misunderstand the trope Teennitro is talking about.
We are talking about badass women who got introduced as elites, veterans, awesome fighters, great mages, etc. and who we see constantly in need of saving. An example for that would be that Ninja woman with the fishnets who was one of the high ranked Ninjas, a master and everything and yet we hardly saw much of that. The few times we saw her fighting she always needed someone to come in and help or save her.
In Fuuko's case she was not introduced as a badass she was introduced as a suicidal shut-in who had only lived so far to finish the Shoujo series she loved. If anything Fuuko is on her way to become a badass as in 1. Using her power offensively 2. Think up plans on how to deal with enemies like with Spoil's power being largely useless in space 3. using weapons like guns and swords 4. kill Andy by beheading it when he could't do so himself. And let's not forget that she actually did save Andy from Victor, which is more than Sakura was able to do for Naruto in terms of saving.
The examples you are talking about, and in that UU belongs as well (for now), is "proper Damsel in Distress" (still annoying but at least it does serve a purpose and is due circumstances) as in the said Damsel does need saving as she cannot save herself and is in constant danger thus in need of constant protection. In AT Suzu is an Ayakashi Medium and a normal girl, no way she can fight off Ayakashi trying to eat her. In YF (I seriously forgot her name...) the family head is also a normal girl targeted by the whole world due her genes and as tough and cool as she is, she would not win a fight on her own if it was against a real threat and she and her family know that. In UU Fuuko is thrown into a crazy world where she has to orientate herself, but if you compare her latest acts to her first ones then she has already gone through a lot of development to become a future badass herself someday. At least she will be more of a badass than the Damsels in the other series.
Like hell, even the girl in mitama we thought was a dismissal in destress twisted our expectations. Even tho even in older shonen mangas we have many strong females. In the current line it's more thrown in ur face which is nice
 
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Burn the witch is almost 100% coming in August as Jump have shown the series getting badges for July through August.

Check out the website, they conveniently kept the last series hidden.

It was leaked on Twitter that the last badges are for Nini, Noel, Ichigo, Rukia and Renji. Unfortunately, I can’t find the original leaker but I’m confident it’s legit.
 

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Burn the witch is almost 100% coming in August as Jump have shown the series getting badges for July through August.

Check out the website, they conveniently kept the last series hidden.

It was leaked on Twitter that the last badges are for Nini, Noel, Ichigo, Rukia and Renji. Unfortunately, I can’t find the original leaker but I’m confident it’s legit.
If true then it'll most likely start on Issue 38 (24th August) after the group cover/double issue which makes sense. In a dream scenario we'd get both Burn the Witch and Hunter x Hunter return for short runs (10~ chapters each, maybe 20 for Hunter x Hunter if Togashi is feeling generous). Would be nice to have two pros returning for a short time, allowing less newbies to get cancelled before the end of the year.
 

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Love the library background. It was pretty obvious Lance would get this cover, looks great and I'm happy to see one of my favs (I honestly think he could win the popularity poll whenever they decide to hold it).
 

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I am once again impressed by hajime komoto's insanely fast art improvement
 

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Do people know that Masle had a One-Shot before being serialized in Jump? The main difference was that it wasn’t set in a world of magic, was a manga in a delinquent school

lolll. Look at early Lance tho.
It definitely looked funny.
 

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Really good for me that best boy is in the cover this time, his design is really nice. I feel oddly pleased with how his hair matches the cover.

Do people know that Masle had a One-Shot before being serialized in Jump? The main difference was that it wasn’t set in a world of magic, was a manga in a delinquent school

That Lance gave me whiplash.
 
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