Fantasy Wendy Marvell vs. Suzaku

[Eclopse]

DF Wendy has top tier reaction speed

We've never seen her be that fast. The only time she hit Haku, he couldn't move. Dimaria was shooting lasers DF Wendy couldn't react to but TO Sherria easily deflected from a distance. What we know for sure: DF Wendy isn't tanking anything by Suzaku. DF Wendy doesn't have that much attack power to actually harm Suzaku. And even Natsu had to go and tank Suzaku's attacks instead of dodging them. So unless people actually want to argue Wendy is faster than Natsu, this fights ends in 5 seconds, and even if we argued Wendy was faster than Natsu (she isn't), this just means the fight ends in 30 seconds instead of 5.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

We've never seen her be that fast. The only time she hit Haku, he couldn't move. Dimaria was shooting lasers DF Wendy couldn't react to but TO Sherria easily deflected from a distance. What we know for sure: DF Wendy isn't tanking anything by Suzaku. DF Wendy doesn't have that much attack power to actually harm Suzaku. And even Natsu had to go and tank Suzaku's attacks instead of dodging them. So unless people actually want to argue Wendy is faster than Natsu, this fights ends in 5 seconds, and even if we argued Wendy was faster than Natsu (she isn't), this just means the fight ends in 30 seconds instead of 5.

True though I will say Wendy was in Base when Dimaria shit her lasers right? Also, didn't Wendy react to Acnologia later in DF?

 

[Eclopse]

Wendy was in Base when Dimaria shit her lasers right

She was in DF the second time and couldn't see it coming.

Also, didn't Wendy react to Acnologia later in DF?

Did she? I mostly remember Acno stomping everyone

 

[kenedyfake]

Suzaku is fast? yes, but Natsu and Erza react... the difference is that if Erza had used an enchanted sword or her top tier weapons, the weapon wouldn't have broken and Suzaku could have been defeated, Natsu managed to counter that quick damage with his dragon scales... Speed is not a problem for Wendy and the biggest problem in this fight is Suzaku's powerful attack.

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She was in DF the second time and couldn't see it coming.



Did she? I mostly remember Acno stomping everyone

Wendy took all the damage from Age Scrach, which looks like you forgot to mention, there was no way she could dodge taking that full damage at once, Wendy took Age Scrach and then Dimaria fired the laser, totally different from the comparison with Sherrya , where she was out of the fight and arrived to deflect the laser.

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[Eclopse]

Natsu and Erza react

They barely react, it's a split second kind of thing. Like fast enough to guard, barely, but not to avoid it. I hugely doubt Wendy can avoid even one of his slashes, let alone all of them.

Wendy took all the damage from Age Scrach, which looks like you forgot to mention, there was no way she could dodge taking that full damage at once, Wendy took Age Scrach and then Dimaria fired the laser, totally different from the comparison with Sherrya , where she was out of the fight and arrived to deflect the laser.

Wendy still didn't dodge the first laser and it didn't look like she registered the second one.

 

[kenedyfake]

They barely react, it's a split second kind of thing. Like fast enough to guard, barely, but not to avoid it. I hugely doubt Wendy can avoid even one of his slashes, let alone all of them.



Wendy still didn't dodge the first laser and it didn't look like she registered the second one.

wendy is not in df fisrt laser

 

[Eclopse]

wendy is not in df fisrt laser

That's on her for not using it at all times, people love to use the "she wasn't in DF" excuse everytime she gets a bad feat but then maybe that's on her. She never uses DF at all times, but for the purposes of the imagined fight we have to only take her best feats in DF and assume she's always in DF. That's just not how she fights.

 

[kenedyfake]

That's on her for not using it at all times, people love to use the "she wasn't in DF" excuse everytime she gets a bad feat but then maybe that's on her. She never uses DF at all times, but for the purposes of the imagined fight we have to only take her best feats in DF and assume she's always in DF. That's just not how she fights.

Honestly I don't know why I'm discussing nonsense, you make pointless comparisons and feats from years ago... what you need to know that Wendy faced Haku who has the speed of light and the only one with that feat in diabolos and is also a BDSK, like Suzaku.

 

[Eclopse]

Honestly I don't know why I'm discussing nonsense, you make pointless comparisons and feats from years ago... what you need to know that Wendy faced Haku who has the speed of light and the only one with that feat in diabolos and is also a BDSK, like Suzaku.

Haku was literally tailor to lose to Wendy and dominated her before the dolls gag enchant things. Unless we see Haku actually being faster than Suzaku or something from team Natsu then there's no reason to think Wendy is faster than anyone in team Natsu when we've seen most have much higher stats than her. She only had joke opponents and even "1% of Irene's power" was a huge powerup for her but somehow we're supposed to believe she can do something against a roughly Erza level opponent. That's just funny.

 

[kenedyfake]

Haku was literally tailor to lose to Wendy and dominated her before the dolls gag enchant things. Unless we see Haku actually being faster than Suzaku or something from team Natsu then there's no reason to think Wendy is faster than anyone in team Natsu when we've seen most have much higher stats than her. She only had joke opponents and even "1% of Irene's power" was a huge powerup for her but somehow we're supposed to believe she can do something against a roughly Erza level opponent. That's just funny.

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but in the actual manga, Wendy defeated a BDSK, being stated to have light speed and these BDSK being comparable to the others. What you think or don't think doesn't change those facts. And have a good day.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but in the actual manga, Wendy defeated a BDSK, being stated to have light speed and these BDSK being comparable to the others. What you think or don't think doesn't change those facts. And have a good day.

Yeah actually burden of proof is now on rest of Team Natsu to prove they are as fast as Wendy now. Wendy has the best reaction speed feat of them so far & the others don't scale to Haku as his power is literally speed based among the BDSK who are all stated to be Suzaku lvl. People can't just downgrade Haku because he lost to Wendy w help. Instead Wendy gets upgraded & scales to Erza. Wendy is weaker cuz Irene helped her but still comparable as she kept up later.

 

[Eclopse]

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, but in the actual manga, Wendy defeated a BDSK, being stated to have light speed and these BDSK being comparable to the others. What you think or don't think doesn't change those facts. And have a good day.

Haku is literally a 10 year old kid. You're the one tasked to prove every single BDSK is superior to other Dragon Eaters in every single stats and their hax doesn't matter. Hax always mattered in FT rankings, and being able to instantly turn your opponents into dolls (even Natsu). Thinking Wendy scales to Erza because she fought one enemy that's in the same group as Erza is foolish at best, dishonest at worst. Honestly I don't really need to argue about it, next time Wendy fights she'll clearly be shown to be way less of a powerhouse than Natsu/Erza/Gray and probably even Lucy, who actually managed to defeat an opponent we KNOW to be strong rather than empty hype associated with a meaningless title like "BDSK".

Or maybe I guess all mage saints are on Serena/Laxus/Makarov level? Lol.

 

[WoWfan]

Haku is literally a 10 year old kid. You're the one tasked to prove every single BDSK is superior to other Dragon Eaters in every single stats and their hax doesn't matter. Hax always mattered in FT rankings, and being able to instantly turn your opponents into dolls (even Natsu). Thinking Wendy scales to Erza because she fought one enemy that's in the same group as Erza is foolish at best, dishonest at worst. Honestly I don't really need to argue about it, next time Wendy fights she'll clearly be shown to be way less of a powerhouse than Natsu/Erza/Gray and probably even Lucy, who actually managed to defeat an opponent we KNOW to be strong rather than empty hype associated with a meaningless title like "BDSK".

Or maybe I guess all mage saints are on Serena/Laxus/Makarov level? Lol.

Age has nothing to do with one’s strength, Mavis is just a little girl and her soul tanked blasts equal to all the light the sun, moon and stars. And certain hax is still determined by strength.

 

[Eclopse]

Age has nothing to do with one’s strength, Mavis is just a little girl and her soul tanked blasts equal to all the light the sun, moon and stars. And certain hax is still determined by strength.

Age certainly plays a part in strength. Mavis wasn't exactly a powerhouse too.

Claiming Haku scales to Erza because he's a BDSK is the same as claiming Jura scales to Serena because he's a mage saint.

 

[WoWfan]

Age certainly plays a part in strength. Mavis wasn't exactly a powerhouse too.

Claiming Haku scales to Erza because he's a BDSK is the same as claiming Jura scales to Serena because he's a mage saint.

The only case it plays in affect is with Makarov who has bad health conditions, her tanking FG would disagree.

Correction, Saints are stated to be different in strength by their rank, Serena is the #1 and as such is stronger.

 

[Eclopse]

The only case it plays in affect is with Makarov who has bad health conditions, her tanking FG would disagree.

Correction, Saints are stated to be different in strength by their rank, Serena is the #1 and as such is stronger.

So I guess all BDSK are the exact same strength just because we didn't have numbers for them? Just because we didn't get "Coffin: 1, Misaki: 2, Suzaku: 3, Haku: 4", they all have the same stats? Even though Haku has hax Suzaku doesn't have and was able to no diff Natsu with hax, he ALSO gets stats on par with Suzaku who's struggling with Natsu?

This is just delusional, and ridiculous.

 

[WoWfan]

So I guess all BDSK are the exact same strength just because we didn't have numbers for them? Just because we didn't get "Coffin: 1, Misaki: 2, Suzaku: 3, Haku: 4", they all have the same stats? Even though Haku has hax Suzaku doesn't have and was able to no diff Natsu with hax, he ALSO gets stats on par with Suzaku who's struggling with Natsu?

This is just delusional, and ridiculous.

Unless it is stated that they are not of the same strength or that their strength comes in different forms, they are relative to each other, and stated so multiple times, and his hax is based on strength too since he can’t affect everything Stronger than him. And by that Suzaku doesn’t have lightspeed and Haku does, and yet Natsu was able to block his strongest attack when prepared for it.

that is your opinion

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Spoiler

Haku was fast enough that he was casually sent to sleep by Gajeel. LMAOOO..

Anyway, Suzaku will take this. Low-Mid Diff

 

[Jko]

Spoiler

Haku was fast enough that he was casually sent to sleep by Gajeel. LMAOOO..

Anyway, Suzaku will take this. Low-Mid Diff

1) Spoiler this.
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Spoiler

Haku just woke up from being KOed, he obviously was in a severely weakened state.

 

[Eclopse]

and his hax is based on strength too since he can’t affect everything Stronger than him

So Haku is at least as strong as Natsu and Wendy defeated him. So Wendy > Natsu. Good job.