Discussion What is a True Pirate King?

[M3J]

Also, talking about Pirate King and strength, why didn't Whitebeard become the pirate king after Roger's death? He was known as the strongest man in the world, and given his devil fruit, he could have bulldozed through any enemy. So, why didn't he become the pirate king?

Simply because he didn't care to go to Raftel or find One Piece. He never cared to do that or to become pirate king. This clearly states that strength doesn't make one a pirate king, especially when no one challenged Usopp saying Luffy can become the king without going up against a Yonkou. Luffy could easily be the strongest and still never be considered the king of pirates just because he didn't get to Raftel or to the end.

Is strength necessary? Definitely because without strength, a powerful opponent like Jack, Blackbeard, or Kizaru can put a stop to the captain's dream of becoming the king. However, to become the king of pirates, the captain must reach Raftel. That's a fact.

 

[Core D. Roy]

I think they're equivalent in the sense that you can't realistically find Raftel without being pretty damn strong since it's supposed to be the last island in the Grand Line and everyone's looking for it. So I'm sure Luffy will be the strongest but not by climbing a ladder of emperors. I'm thinking there won't even be any emperors soon and the New World would simply be a massive battle royale.

The beginning of the series made it seem like PK is everyone's goal but now we're actually in the New World, very few characters are actively gunning for the Raftel. Luffy and Kidd seem to be the only ones desperate to be PK. I know law said he wanted to be, but then we learned he was always on a suicide mission to kill Doffy. I guess he can get back to planning on that lol.

None of the yonkou so far have shown a ruthless desire to be PK in the modern day except BB, and he's a given.

 

[Freid]

The beginning of the series made it seem like PK is everyone's goal but now we're actually in the New World, very few characters are actively gunning for the Raftel. Luffy and Kidd seem to be the only ones desperate to be PK. I know law said he wanted to be, but then we learned he was always on a suicide mission to kill Doffy. I guess he can get back to planning on that lol.

None of the yonkou so far have shown a ruthless desire to be PK in the modern day except BB, and he's a given.

Very true, though I think BM and Doflamingo said something about becoming pirate king but i get what you're saying. So what I'm thinking is instead of the pirates trying to be PK, they'll just be trying to be the strongest. Nobody's affiliated with any Yonkou and nobody's protected. It'll be an actual king of the hill and could set the stage nicely for the return of Enel cause right now it'll be hard to picture him under anyone. Would love the New World to become something like Jaya Island.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

The beginning of the series made it seem like PK is everyone's goal but now we're actually in the New World, very few characters are actively gunning for the Raftel. Luffy and Kidd seem to be the only ones desperate to be PK. I know law said he wanted to be, but then we learned he was always on a suicide mission to kill Doffy. I guess he can get back to planning on that lol.

None of the yonkou so far have shown a ruthless desire to be PK in the modern day except BB, and he's a given.

Actually, that is quite inaccurate. All Pirates are trying to be Pirate King, not just Luffy and co.

Also, you misunderstand that Law wants to be Pirate King, but when he was faced with Joker, he got taunted and discarded his plan. It was a moment of weakness.

If you carefully read what Law says here in the bottom right, he said if you don't keep your cool, your life will be forget like mine when i faced him before (referring to when he was fighting Joker at the bridge).

He didn't intentionally discard his goal to be Pirate King, it's always been his plan, thus the reason he aimed to take down Kaido through Joker before even meeting up with Luffy at PH. So, he has always intended to be Pirate King as did Kid also state. What Joker did was provoke him as he explicitly states in the panel above.

In fact, Kid hasn't done anything the others haven't, so I'm not sure how you can claim that it's only Kid besides Luffy who intends to be PK.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Actually, that is quite inaccurate. All Pirates are trying to be Pirate King, not just Luffy and co.

I don't get how you can say that with a straight face.

He didn't intentionally discard his goal to be Pirate King, it's always been his plan, thus the reason he aimed to take down Kaido through Joker before even meeting up with Luffy at PH. So, he has always intended to be Pirate King as did Kid also state. What Joker did was provoke him as he explicitly states in the panel above.

Good point about Law.

In fact, Kid hasn't done anything the others haven't, so I'm not sure how you can claim that it's only Kid besides Luffy who intends to be PK.

Because he's one of the only other characters to outright state they want to be Pirate King. Like Luffy/BB/Law have. I'm not sure how you can claim literally all pirates want to be Pirate King. Practically none of them express an interest in it, and more often than not they cynically laugh int he face of anyone claiming to want to be PK.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Because he's one of the only other characters to outright state they want to be Pirate King. Like Luffy/BB/Law have. I'm not sure how you can claim literally all pirates want to be Pirate King. Practically none of them express an interest in it, and more often than not they cynically laugh int he face of anyone claiming to want to be PK.

He never outright said it, I can put up the panel, but it's not necessary.

All Pirates go to the New World/Grand Line to become Pirate King. They are not going there just because. It's only Luffy and Blackbeard that have explicitly said it.

As Brulee said, many come to Totland claiming their captains will be Pirate King. Moriah fought with Kaido to do exactly what the Supernova are doing here, and so did Crocodile against Whitebeard. The entire point of becoming a Pirate is to be Pirate King unless your aim is to assist someone in becoming Pirate King. Supernova aren't the only ones who have tried and failed, so many have, thus the reason why it's said to be nigh impossible.

I don't get how you can say that with a straight face.

Simple, because it's the fact of the matter. What was it that started the age of Piracy, wasn't it Roger stating his treasure was on sea? What evidence do you have to say otherwise?

Go back to what the Gorosei said, it's only after Roger died that many started their voyages to become Pirate King, and thus why they needed the Shichibukai to deter people from going along this path. They're not just become Pirates because. There's a goal.

 

[Freid]

Buggy became a pirate with no intention on becoming pirate king. Piracy also existed before One Piece and there's bound to be plenty, like Buggy, who are in the game for just the notoriety and riches. There would also be others who might have started out looking for One Piece but quickly realised they were out of their depths and just stayed small time pirates like Bluejam. Bellamy even laughed at the idea of One Piece. There'd be plenty of scrubs like him.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Buggy became a pirate with no intention on becoming pirate king. Piracy also existed before One Piece and there's bound to be plenty, like Buggy, who are in the game for just the notoriety and riches. There would also be others who might have started out looking for One Piece but quickly realised they were out of their depths and just stayed small time pirates like Bluejam. Bellamy even laughed at the idea of One Piece. There'd be plenty of scrubs like him.

He did become a Pirate with intention to be king.

Also, Bellamy is just one of those Pirate like many who stopped believing in the existence of One Piece because it hadn't been found in over 20 years. Many Pirates aim for One Piece, therefore aiming to be Pirate King.

 

[Freid]

He did become a Pirate with intention to be king.

I stand corrected, though I think the vast majority aren't actively trying to be pirate king. They probably wonna be PK as much as people would like to win the lottery but ain't out buying lottery tickets, that's why Buggy pretty much settled when he got himself a decent gig as a Shichibukai. The idea of One Piece probably got everyone hyped up until they realized it's a pipe dream for most. For others like the guys allied with Whitebeard and probably even Shanks's crew, piracy is a lifestyle for them and not an adventure to be PK.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I stand corrected, though I think the vast majority aren't actively trying to be pirate king. They probably wonna be PK as much as people would like to win the lottery but ain't out buying lottery tickets, that's why Buggy pretty much settled when he got himself a decent gig as a Shichibukai. The idea of One Piece probably got everyone hyped up until they realized it's a pipe dream for most. For others like the guys allied with Whitebeard and probably even Shanks's crew, piracy is a lifestyle for them and not an adventure to be PK.

The vast majority are trying to achieve that dream either by themselves or vicariously through someone else.

What the Gorosei proves that, not many people became Pirates until Roger revealed the existence of One Piece. There is a positive correlation between Piracy and One Piece.

Here, Shiki in anguish ridicules the masses all running to become Pirate King. It's exactly what Whitebeard's confirmation has done like it did here, it's reinvigorated people into piracy for One Piece. The sole purpose of going to the Grand Line is to pursue dreams, thus the reason why Bellamy was saying it's the end of such dreams. Those who share those sentiments are a minority, a majority are dreamers. Even Joker aimed to be Pirate King, Monet said so.

 

[Freid]

The vast majority are trying to achieve that dream either by themselves or vicariously through someone else.

What the Gorosei proves that, not many people became Pirates until Roger revealed the existence of One Piece. There is a positive correlation between Piracy and One Piece.

Here, Shiki in anguish ridicules the masses all running to become Pirate King. It's exactly what Whitebeard's confirmation has done like it did here, it's reinvigorated people into piracy for One Piece. The sole purpose of going to the Grand Line is to pursue dreams, thus the reason why Bellamy was saying it's the end of such dreams. Those who share those sentiments are a minority, a majority are dreamers. Even Joker aimed to be Pirate King, Monet said so.

You can't be the pirate king through someone else. No such thing. You're either trying or you're not. Whitebeard's allies also supported a man who didn't want to be PK and there were plenty of them. It's more than likely that most who set sail in search of One Piece also give up along the way. That's why IIRC Chinjao asked Luffy if he was trying to be PK because not everybody is. We also have people like Jimbei and Tiger who set sail for their own reasons. Piracy has also always been a thing before Roger announced One Piece. People were already living on the sea and guys like Kaidou, Shiki, BM and Chinjao were already pirates. The sheep Shiki spoke of are exactly as he described, and most are unlikely to stay searching for One Piece. Only few get as far as Luffy has and remain trying to be PK.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

You can't be the pirate king through someone else. No such thing.

You misunderstood the nuance of my statement. My point is you're either trying to be Pirate King or trying to help someone to achieve that goal. Sanji isn't trying to be Pirate King, he's just helping.

We also have people like Jimbei and Tiger who set sail for their own reasons.

Point is these are not the people who became Pirates after Roger died, those types of Pirates are rare. People didn't become Pirates because of anything other than One Piece for the most part, thus the rise in Pirates.

The motivation for many is One Piece, those motivated like Fish Tiger and Jimbei are few; they're a race that are trying to find equal standing with the world, can't tell me you can mention 10-20 Pirates of this nature.

Only few get as far as Luffy has and remain trying to be PK.

Not at all, a lot are.

Piracy has also always been a thing before Roger announced One Piece.

That's not being debated, I've said that many times in this forum. Point is it's not until Roger became Pirate King that many others also decided to venture out and pursue One Piece. I've even stated so in the OP, there were Pirates before this, One Piece only increased the amount, thus it is the reason many have decided to take on this challenge.

I merely need to ask you what instigated the rise in Piracy, and to say anything besides Roger would simply be evading the real answer, and that's Roger and his treasure, One Piece.

And as Brulee herself stated besides the Supernova, countless have dared to oppose Big Mom claiming their Captains (the people trying to be PK) or various other Emperors (Crocodile went for Whitebeard - Moriah for Kaido). The main motivation is to be Pirate King and find the One Piece.

That's why IIRC Chinjao asked Luffy if he was trying to be PK because not everybody is.

Actually, no. He asked because Luffy displayed King's Haki which is something only special people possess. Such people are usually trying to distinguish themselves from others, thus the reason Chinjao asked what sort of king he wants to become. I'm not sure where you're getting your context from here.

 

[Freid]

You misunderstood the nuance of my statement. My point is you're either trying to be Pirate King or trying to help someone to achieve that goal. Sanji isn't trying to be Pirate King, he's just helping.




Point is these are not the people who became Pirates after Roger died, those types of Pirates are rare. People didn't become Pirates because of anything other than One Piece for the most part, thus the rise in Pirates.

The motivation for many is One Piece, those motivated like Fish Tiger and Jimbei are few; they're a race that are trying to find equal standing with the world, can't tell me you can mention 10-20 Pirates of this nature.



Not at all, a lot are.



That's not being debated, I've said that many times in this forum. Point is it's not until Roger became Pirate King that others also decided to venture out and pursue One Piece. I've even stated so in the OP, there were Pirates before this, One Piece only increased the amount, thus it is the reason many have decided to take on this challenge.



Actually, no. He asked because Luffy displayed King's Haki which is something only special people possess. Such people are usually trying to distinguish themselves from others, thus the reason Chinjao asked what sort of king he wants to become. I'm not sure where you're getting your context from here.

Sanji is Luffy's crew mate and when Luffy becomes Pirate King, he'd be a member of the Pirate King's crew. People who are just allied and might support him have no claim to the title and there are plenty of people like that in the New World. Most people are allied with Yonkou crews for protection and aren't actively trying to find One Piece, and we can assume the ones who are actually challenging the Yonkous are trying to be PK and those are the Supernova. For the majority, they want One Piece because who wouldn't but they're fine with just living a life of piracy under the banner of their respective Yonkous.

Of the pirates that set sail after Roger died, there are only a handful we know of challenging the Yonkou and most are among the faces shown when Law told Doflamingo the gears of the world are changing. PK is only a dream to most before they either die or settle for something less. Buggy who was once gung ho about becoming Pirate King is now a Shichibukai and has in his crew Alvida who was once a former captain of her own crew.

And yes, Roger started the Golden Age of Pirates but there are far less people left currently chasing One Piece than there was when it started.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Sanji is Luffy's crew mate and when Luffy becomes Pirate King, he'd be a member of the Pirate King's crew.

Lol, I never said Sanji will be Pirate King or aiming to be it, looks like you failed to understand my point again. I said he's supporting (keyword: supporting) Luffy to be Pirate King which is what people do if not aiming to be Pirate King themselves.

Of the pirates that set sail after Roger died, there are only a handful we know of challenging the Yonkou

Well, obviously. Not many were strong enough to even get far enough to take on even the likes of Crocodile and fell short.

And yes, Roger started the Golden Age of Pirates but there are far less people left currently chasing One Piece than there was when it started.

You have no evidence for that, but nevertheless, just 2 years ago in the series, the Gorosei still said the Pirates are still growing larger since Roger meaning the goal to find One Piece is still the main influence. My point still stands.

If this weren't the case, why was Bellamy ridiculing Pirates who aim for One Piece? You can't have a movement against something that isn't practised. Being a Pirate for dreams was the mainstream reason to be Pirate which is why there could have been a movement against it. This is consistent with Shiki speaking against the fact that so many people would just interfere. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have said so.

Most people are allied with Yonkou crews for protection and aren't actively trying to find One Piece, and we can assume the ones who are actually challenging the Yonkous are trying to be PK and those are the Supernova.

Not at all. As Brulee said, countless have tried to take on the Yonko and fallen short. Oda is not going to mention every insignificant cockroach. Like Mihawk even said regarding WSS, he said he can't remember every face that has challenged him for the title, the same is regarding One Piece and Pirate King.

There are many who try. Do you know the name of they guy in view? You don't, he just another insignificant. They all try, but they fail. Only 1 man has ever successfully carried that goal out, and it's Roger. Many try, but fail.

You're trying to argue that the rics in Piracy isn't significantly due to One Piece which in essence is the aim to be Pirate King, but is just a random rise because people just decided to be? Nope, doesn't work like that. You have yet to provide one piece of evidence or piece together bits of information (syllogism) to even support your point as the growth as random; the burden of proof is on you to provide such evidence as the evidence against that premise of yours is overwhelmingly stacked against it.

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Buggy who was once gung ho about becoming Pirate King is now a Shichibukai and has in his crew Alvida who was once a former captain of her own crew.

This point is just moot.

Are you saying you can't use the banner of the Shichibukai to evade Government eyes and still try to be Pirate King because that's just bad logic. Unless 2 goals conflict, it's possible to have 2 ambitions. It's like saying Whitebeard couldn't have wanted a family and wanted to be Pirate King at the same time.

So what if he had a crew with Alvida? They were allied partners. Doesn't mean he wasn't trying to be Pirate King.

Crocodile's main reason for being a Shichbukai was to get a hold of an Ancient Weapon, overpower the WG and become Pirate King too.

Buggy has not stopped aiming to be Pirate King, I'm not sure where you've derived this from.

 

[Freid]

Lol, I never said Sanji will be Pirate King or aiming to be it, looks like you failed to understand my point again. I said he's supporting (keyword: supporting) Luffy to be Pirate King which is what people do if not aiming to be Pirate King themselves.



Well, obviously. Not many were strong enough to even get far enough to take on even the likes of Crocodile and fell short.



You have no evidence for that, but nevertheless, just 2 years ago in the series, the Gorosei still said the Pirates are still growing larger since Roger meaning the goal to find One Piece is still the main influence. My point still stands.

If this weren't the case, why was Bellamy ridiculing Pirates who aim for One Piece? You can't have a movement against something that isn't practised. Being a Pirate for dreams was the mainstream reason to be Pirate which is why there could have been a movement against it. This is consistent with Shiki speaking against the fact that so many people would just interfere. If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have said so.



Not at all. As Brulee said, countless have tried to take on the Yonko and fallen short. Oda is not going to mention every insignificant cockroach. Like Mihawk even said regarding WSS, he said he can't remember every face that has challenged him for the title, the same is regarding One Piece and Pirate King.

There are many who try. Do you know the name of they guy in view? You don't, he just another insignificant. They all try, but they fail. Only 1 man has ever successfully carried that goal out, and it's Roger. Many try, but fail.

You're trying to argue that the rics in Piracy isn't significantly due to One Piece which in essence is the aim to be Pirate King, but is just a random rise because people just decided to be? Nope, doesn't work like that. You have yet to provide one piece of evidence or piece together bits of information (syllogism) to even support your point as the growth as random; the burden of proof is on you to provide such evidence as the evidence against that premise of yours is overwhelmingly stacked against it.

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This point is just moot.

Are you saying you can't use the banner of the Shichibukai to evade Government eyes and still try to be Pirate King because that's just bad logic. Unless 2 goals conflict, it's possible to have 2 ambitions. It's like saying Whitebeard couldn't have wanted a family and wanted to be Pirate King at the same time.

So what if he had a crew with Alvida? They were allied partners. Doesn't mean he wasn't trying to be Pirate King.

Crocodile's main reason for being a Shichbukai was to get a hold of an Ancient Weapon, overpower the WG and become Pirate King too.

Buggy has not stopped aiming to be Pirate King, I'm not sure where you've derived this from.

You're either part of the pirate king's crew or you're not, and supporting them is another way of saying you're not which proves the point that most people are not trying to be Pirate King as most people in the New World are essentially supporters/allies of the Yonkous.

The reason only a handful are challenging the Yonkou is because most are happy living under their protection and risking death in search of One Piece isn't worth it. The ones challenging them are the only ones actively trying to be pirate king. IIRC even the names Brulee mentioned were specifically the supernovas who we already knew were out causing trouble.

Whitebeard's death had the same effect Roger's did on the age of pirates as he marked a new era and a new wave of pirates came in. Also Whitebeard said he was trying make Ace Pirate King. He had no intention to be PK himself and had plenty of well known Pirates following him.

I don't think Buggy's scheming anything using his Shichibukai position as he probably understand he got lucky to begin with.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

You're either part of the pirate king's crew or you're not, and supporting them is another way of saying you're not which proves the point that most people are not trying to be Pirate King as most people in the New World are essentially supporters/allies of the Yonkous.

For one, there is no Pirate King's crew since Roger died. There are only remnants.

Secondly, captains are all trying to be Pirate King. You can't have a crew with 2 people in it trying to be Pirate King, so your statement here makes no sense.

The captain is the embodiment of the crew, therefore, all crews are working towards the goal just like Luffy is the only one trying to be Pirate King within the SH crew, but the crew is helping him towards that goal. It's literally stated in Brulee's statement, the subordinates claim their captain will be Pirate King, but fall short.

The reason only a handful are challenging the Yonkou is because most are happy living under their protection and risking death in search of One Piece isn't worth it. The ones challenging them are the only ones actively trying to be pirate king. IIRC even the names Brulee mentioned were specifically the supernovas who we already knew were out causing trouble.

Most are living under Emperors due to subordination or force. They tried, and failed, and in order to survive, they joined. Bege is a prime example as are most of the Supernova.

Would be like saying the Kingdoms become acquired are under her because they wanted to, more like she forced them as we saw examples of in her youth. It's why we find out that Poind is actually royalty.

Before subordination, they attempted to be, but once faced with an obstacle that was beyond their depths, they gave up. Point is the goal to be Pirate King initiated it all.

Whitebeard's death had the same effect Roger's did on the age of pirates as he marked a new era and a new wave of pirates came in. Also Whitebeard said he was trying make Ace Pirate King. He had no intention to and had plenty of allies.

Read between the lines.

Whitebeard only decided to make Ace Pirate King after Roger had become Pirate King and told him the secret of One Piece and the Will of D. In fact, he'd lost interest.

It's pretty clear he aimed to be Pirate King for various reasons.

1. Only those who venture to the Island at the end of the Log Pose learn about Raftel, the Ancient Kingdom and Poneglyphs.
2. On learning about this, it's no coincidence that both Roger and Whitebeard headed to Wano. Hihgly unlikely to head to Wano where the only known carrier of the knowledge to decipher the Poneglyph resides.
3. It's not coincidence that Roger and Whitebeard both had Oden on their ship; very likely Roger and Whitebeard fought over him because he was the key to deciphering the Poneglyphs and inscribing messages in the Ancient Language.
4. As Whitebeard said, he said there's a chosen one (Whitebeard groomed Ace as he was a D.; Shanks groomed Luffy as he was also a D.), in the end, Whitebeard recognised that Luffy may be the one and tasked his crew with ensuring his survival because he knows One Piece is something that's destined to a certain someone with the D initial. He had esoteric knowledge, and therefore knew he couldn't fulfill the promise and also probably lost interest after Roger had beaten him to it.

Whitebeard hadn't been fighting with Roger and Shiki for no reason. Hell, even Big Mom stated she would have been Pirate King had she been able to defeat Whitebeard meaning he was also an obstacle. Roger wouldn't even have offered him the location to Raftel if Whitebeard wasn't initally interested.

I don't think Buggy's scheming anything using his Shichibukai position as he probably understand he got lucky to begin with.

Nonetheless, whether he didn't aim to be Shichibukai is of no relevance. He's always aimed to be Pirate King. The title of Shichibukai nonetheless gives him a level of being under the radar which aids towards that goal.

 

[Freid]

For one, there is no Pirate King's crew since Roger died. There are only remnants.

Secondly, captains are all trying to be Pirate King. You can't have a crew with 2 people in it trying to be Pirate King, so your statement here makes no sense.

The captain is the embodiment of the crew, therefore, all crews are working towards the goal just like Luffy is the only one trying to be Pirate King within the SH crew, but the crew is helping him towards that goal. It's literally stated in Brulee's statement, the subordinates claim their captain will be Pirate King, but fall short.



Most are living under Emperors due to subordination or force. They tried, and failed, and in order to survive, they joined. Bege is a prime example as are most of the Supernova.

Would be like saying the Kingdoms become acquired are under her because they wanted to, more like she forced them as we saw examples of in her youth. It's why we find out that Poind is actually royalty.

Before subordination, they attempted to be, but once faced with an obstacle that was beyond their depths, they gave up. Point is the goal to be Pirate King initiated it all.



Read between the lines.

Whitebeard only decided to make Ace Pirate King after Roger had become Pirate King and told him the secret of One Piece and the Will of D. In fact, he'd lost interest.

It's pretty clear he aimed to be Pirate King for various reasons.

1. Only those who venture to the Island at the end of the Log Pose learn about Raftel, the Ancient Kingdom and Poneglyphs.
2. On learning about this, it's no coincidence that both Roger and Whitebeard headed to Wano. Hihgly unlikely to head to Wano where the only known carrier of the knowledge to decipher the Poneglyph resides.
3. It's not coincidence that Roger and Whitebeard both had Oden on their ship; very likely Roger and Whitebeard fought over him because he was the key to deciphering the Poneglyphs and inscribing messages in the Ancient Language.
4. As Whitebeard said, he said there's a chosen one (Whitebeard groomed Ace as he was a D.; Shanks groomed Luffy as he was also a D.), in the end, Whitebeard recognised that Luffy may be the one and tasked his crew with ensuring his survival because he knows One Piece is something that's destined to a certain someone with the D initial. He had esoteric knowledge, and therefore knew he couldn't fulfill the promise and also probably lost interest after Roger had beaten him to it.

Whitebeard hadn't been fighting with Roger and Shiki for no reason. Hell, even Big Mom stated she would have been Pirate King had she been able to defeat Whitebeard meaning he was also an obstacle. Roger wouldn't even have offered him the location to Raftel if Whitebeard wasn't initally interested.



Nonetheless, whether he didn't aim to be Shichibukai is of no relevance. He's always aimed to be Pirate King. The title of Shichibukai nonetheless gives him a level of being under the radar which aids towards that goal.

If Luffy becomes Pirate King, his crew can share in the achievement. That's why Buggy got lots of notoriety for simply being in Roger's crew. People who were allied with Roger and people who'll be allied with Luffy have no claim to fame. It's only Luffy that'll be known as Pirate King and it's only the crew members that'll be known as the Pirate King's crew. Likewise, people supporting other Yonkous to be pirate king fall under the category of people who simply are not trying to be pirate king themselves for whatever reason, be it too difficult or they've found a different goal. Which proves the point that most people are not currently trying to be pirate king. There's also a distinct difference between wanting to and actively trying to. It's a nice dream, just not practical for the majority and they realize it eventually.

Everybody under Whitebeard both crew and allies seemed to have all willingly followed him. I remember he gave Ace a sort of ultimatum to join his crew but in the end he left it up to him. He also took Squard in after Roger killed his crewmates and Shanks seems similar to Whitebeard in that respect. As far as we know, nobody was forced to take up WB's flag as their own and we have no reason to believe Shanks was any different, and these two made up half of the Yonkou. Powerful crews would follow these guys with no interest in becoming pirate king themselves.

We have no reason to believe Whitebeard ever wanted to be pirate king as the only words to have ever left his mouth was he wanted a family. He said he wasn't interested in treasures which is what One Piece was presumed to be.

 

[M3J]

The beginning of the series made it seem like PK is everyone's goal but now we're actually in the New World, very few characters are actively gunning for the Raftel. Luffy and Kidd seem to be the only ones desperate to be PK. I know law said he wanted to be, but then we learned he was always on a suicide mission to kill Doffy. I guess he can get back to planning on that lol.

None of the yonkou so far have shown a ruthless desire to be PK in the modern day except BB, and he's a given.

I don't know who said it, possibly Big Mom or one of the Minks on Zou, but one of the characters said she wants to become pirate king as well. What's confusing is that she's done almost nothing to get closer to becoming pirate king except for meticulous planning, like getting her daughter married to a giant royalty to acquire their battle strength.... unless the giantification of children is to get that sort of an army.

I dunno if they're the only desperate ones though. We know Luffy wants to become the pirate king because he's the main character, so we know a lot about him. Bege doesn't seem to have such aspirations, while Kidd is trying to take out Yonkou. What if most other pirates have allied with a Yonkou or each another/other strong groups to help them get closer to becoming pirate king? They can't do anything because the Yonkou are too powerful, so they have to somehow find a way to either get protection or beat the Yonkou, which could be a way of wanting to become pirate king.

Luffy is probably one of hte very few who's willing to dive into danger. if not the only one. Haven't tons of pirates, including Kidd, commented on how insane Luffy is, as well as his (and the Monster Trio sometimes) lack of awareness of danger?

Actually, that is quite inaccurate. All Pirates are trying to be Pirate King, not just Luffy and co.

Still waiting for proof, evidence, or anything that even implies Whitebeard wanted to become Pirate King or was after the One Piece when he himself has said he wanted to have a family and didn't care about getting to Raftel. He also has never even suggested having such dream to conquer the seas.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

It's only Luffy that'll be known as Pirate King and it's only the crew members that'll be known as the Pirate King's crew.

Lol, I already said this.

Likewise, people supporting other Yonkous to be pirate king fall under the category of people who simply are not trying to be pirate king themselves for whatever reason, be it too difficult or they've found a different goal.

No, they're supporting their captain. Within every crew everyone has a goal, but the main goal is to assist the captain.

Everybody under Whitebeard both crew and allies seemed to have all willingly followed him. I remember he gave Ace a sort of ultimatum to join his crew but in the end he left it up to him. He also took Squard in after Roger killed his crewmates and Shanks seems similar to Whitebeard in that respect. As far as we know, nobody was forced to take up WB's flag as their own and we have no reason to believe Shanks was any different, and these two made up half of the Yonkou. Powerful crews would follow these guys with no interest in becoming pirate king themselves.

Not true. Most of the people that ended up joining ended up defeated and then joined after. It's even shown in the Anime. When they realise they can't achieve it, they give up or assist someone else in achieving it. Ace tried to be Pirate King by defeating Whitebeard and then showing the world his strength, but failed.

We have no reason to believe Whitebeard ever wanted to be pirate king as the only words to have ever left his mouth was he wanted a family. He said he wasn't interested in treasures which is what One Piece was presumed to be.

1. We do because it's ridiculous to think he became a Pirate because he wanted a family, lol. Can start a family without becoming a Pirate.
2. You don't enter the Grand Line and become an Emperor just because you want a family, it's something done by people who intend to make a name for themselves at sea.
3. He wasn't fighting with Roger often because of family, clearly they were in contention for something bigger.
4. Maybe you have no clue who Oden was and his significance, but understandable, perhaps casual reader of the series.

Only thing you've done is ignore information to hold on to such a premise, as I've said before, doesn't require something to be explicitly stated to be implied, lol.

It's like when people stated none of the Emperors were trying to be Pirate King just because it wasn't explicitly stated, lol.

 

[Freid]

Lol, I already said this.



No, they're supporting their captain. Within every crew everyone has a goal, but the main goal is to assist the captain.



Not true. Most of the people that ended up joining ended up defeated and then joined after. It's even shown in the Anime. When they realise they can't achieve it, they give up or assist someone else in achieving it. Ace tried to be Pirate King by defeating Whitebeard and then showing the world his strength, but failed.

1. We do because it's ridiculous to think he became a Pirate because he wanted a family, lol. Can start a family without becoming a Pirate.
2. You don't enter the Grand Line and become an Emperor just because you want a family, it's something done by people who intend to make a name for themselves at sea.
3. He wasn't fighting with Roger often because of family, clearly they were in contention for something bigger.
4. Maybe you have no clue who Oden was and his significance, but understandable, perhaps casual reader of the series.

Only thing you've done is ignore information to hold on to such a premise, as I've said before, doesn't require something to be explicitly stated to be implied, lol.

It's like when people stated none of the Emperors were trying to be Pirate King just because it wasn't explicitly stated, lol.

Unless you're in the actual crew of someone trying to be pirate king, allies and people just supporting therefore fall under the category of those not trying to be PK, which again proves the point that the majority ain't actively trying to be pirate king. Many might have set sail trying but are now settled under a Yonkous flag and aren't doing anything towards finding one piece.

Ace was defeated by Whitebeard but he was still given an option to join him and wasn't forced. The WB pirates accommodated both him and his crew until he came to a decision and I imagine there'd be plenty like him and Squard who were given the simple option seeing as they all seem happy to be under WB. They were were happy to follow a man who wasn't trying to become PK.

Whitebeard wasn't talking about a traditional family. That's why he said it's something he'd always wanted as a kid and wasn't interested in treasure. His dream was to gather crew members who he could call family. A simple man with a noble dream. He also told Roger that he wasn't interested in finding Raftel before Roger said anything to him about the Will of D, even going so far as to say he wouldn't go there even if he told him where it was.