Fantasy x792 Elfman vs x792 Minerva

[Ramen]

Minerva hurt Wahl and Erza. And Elfman ven can touch her because he IS SLOW. GG.

So what?

Madmoles defense is better than those 2 combined.


Say GG when you actually have an argument.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

This is true. Elfman scratched Natsu when a dozen FDK Demos fists were said to do nothing.

This is in the pages.

Do you know that his endurance is his power, right? Do you know that when a wizard expanded his magic power, his power diminished, right? I mean, Lucy spirit's will not be strong as they are when she is full of her magic power and when she is with low mp, etc. So why Madmole endurance couldn't just be diminished over the time he spent magic and fatigued? And because of it Elfman AND Mirajane were able to make some injure in him? Anyway, the manga panel just shows scratches, it doesn't look like any good damage was made on his body. The fight closed because all theirs sides were tired. So it's not so big deal. Scratches will happen in every fight with corporal contact.

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So what?

Madmoles defense is better than those 2 combined.


Say GG when you actually have an argument.

And it doesn't change that Elfman isn't fast to touch Minerva. GG

 

[Ramen]

And because of it Elfman AND Mirajane were able to make some injure in him?

Not Mirajane. Somebody fought Skullion lmao.

So it's not so big deal. Scratches will happen in every fight with corporal contact.

A Demo Fist couldn't scratch him.

Natsu's FDK Demo fist is >>>>> everything Minerva.

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And it doesn't change that Elfman isn't fast to touch Minerva. GG

Ok......no argument. Have a good day then.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Not Mirajane. Somebody fought Skullion lmao.



A Demo Fist couldn't scratch him.

Natsu's FDK Demo fist is >>>>> everything Minerva.

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Ok......no argument. Have a good day then.

Both the Strauss and the Diablos are close to each other. Side by side. There's nothing that states that it was a X1 battle.

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Like I said before, he just has some scratches, it's not even mean that Elfman did the scratches and, if did, that did it alone, and if his armor got weak by the time he spends magic, it's just that he weakened not that Elfman's punches (that couldn't even send Loki back to Spirit World) are more powerful than Natsu FDK DF attack.

 

[Axiomus]

There's no reason to assume that Skullion held back against Mirajane and Elfman. They gave him a good enough fight that he thought it was worth getting a scolding from his guildmaster and ask stronger people for help. Mirajane or Elfman could have simply countered absolute ash before it grew big, like Gray did.

 

[Sevently]

Minerva everyday. Elfman was able to be on par with Madmole... who is not Spriggan tier.

 

[grey matter]

Minerva everyday. Elfman was able to be on par with Madmole... who is not Spriggan tier.

Madmole's stats >> average Spriggan's stats.

Minerva couldn't defeat Wahl with 1/3 power lmao. While Elfman defeated a Spriggan with Lissana just for air support.

What has Minerva done since Tartarus? Nothing except apparently stalemating Historia Wahl.
Matching Madmole in physical combat and defeating Ajeel >> not even being sure if she defeated Historia Wahl. Even if she did, defeating 1/3rd power Wahl in extreme diff is hardly impressive

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Minerva hurt Wahl and Erza. And Elfman ven can touch her because he IS SLOW. GG.

Erza in x791. Nothing shows she had the same improvement as Erza in one year timeskip

Historia Wahl with much lower stats (probably <40%) compared to original.
Is that supposed to be impressive that, AT BEST, she high-extreme diff's Historia Wahl? (cause more likely scenario is they just collapsed abruptly in the middle of the fighting cause of Neinhart going down, and hence them questioning what made them go down)

 

[Ronin31]

Minerva couldn't defeat Wahl with 1/3 power lmao

H. Serena was destroyed just before Irene amped Neinheart's power level so far, Brandish couldn't affect him anymore. The 2 Historias still here, were both amped the same way. In my opinion, they were both > 50% of their real strength.

 

[grey matter]

There's no reason to assume that Skullion held back against Mirajane and Elfman. They gave him a good enough fight that he thought it was worth getting a scolding from his guildmaster and ask stronger people for help. Mirajane or Elfman could have simply countered absolute ash before it grew big, like Gray did.

It's possible that there was a retcon of Madmole and Skullion's powers, but either way it doesn't matter. Stalemating Madmole is a good enough feat for Elfman to take this fight pretty comfortably.

H. Serena was destroyed just before Irene amped Neinheart's power level so far, Brandish couldn't affect him anymore. The 2 Historias still here, were both amped the same way. In my opinion, they were both > 50% of their real strength.

They were made with Neinhart supplying a certain amount of MP. There were no indications that any of the MP that Neinhart got back, from Serena going down; or that he gained from Eileen enchanting her, got transfered to the other 2 Historia.

Bradman had stats comparable with base Gajeel (both of their roars matched in power). And with his hax, he was EASILY dealing with base Gajeel. You expect me to believe that Badman, with > 50% of his full power, lost extreme diff to base Rouge (assuming it was Rouge who beat, and not fodderhart going down)? Yea no, I'm not buying that

 

[Ronin31]

We are speaking of X792 here. Why comparing Elfman's strength to Mardmole as he is portraye far stronger in X793 than he was in X792 ?

In Arbaless, Elfman was strong but not even close to his Werelion. Minerva has some various spell to dodge, counterpart, and range explosive ways. Still Elfman is a tank, he can't be even close to Minerva if she doesn't desire it. Elfman is not fast enough, like Erza and Kagura.
In X792, I see Minerva's versatile magic having many ways to win here.

As we don't know Minerva's power level in X793, we don't know what she can do to Elfman's new hability. It's like saiying Laxus is stronger than Gildarts. We do not see him since X792.

Be fair....

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While Elfman defeated a Spriggan with Lissana just for air support.

Yes and without it, he was dead at the beginning of the fight as Ajeel was playing with them when he was trapped.

 

[grey matter]

We are speaking of X792 here. Why comparing Elfman's strength to Mardmole as he is portraye far stronger in X793 than he was in X792 ?

In Arbaless, Elfman was strong but not even close to his Werelion. Minerva has some various spell to dodge, counterpart, and range explosive ways. Still Elfman is a tank, he can't be even close to Minerva when she doesn't desire it. Elfman is not fast enough, like Erza and Kagura.
In X792, I see Minerva's versatile magic having many to win here.

As we don't know Minerva's power level in X793, we don't know what she can do to Elfman's new hability. It's like saiying Laxus is stronger than Gildarts. We do not see him since X792.

Be fair....

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Yes and without it, he was dead at the beginning of the fight as Ajeel was playing with them when he was trapped.

You mean lion takeover? We don't know about that. He didn't face a situation where he had to use it. Ajeel was a sand user, hence he used sand beast.

So? Elfman had to stats to take down Ajeel, a Spriggan who actually has decent stats. Sand immunity helped for sure, but a fodder with sand immunity isn't taking down Ajeel.
Minerva struggled against Historia Wahl, and don't even know if she defeated him.
What Elfman accomplished is >> what Minerva accomplished.

Ok, you claim an year passed and we don't know how strong Minerva is. That's fair, But we can just scale from x792 and if nothing else changed, Elfman still > Minerva. Even if scaling changed, it would only change in favour of Elfman lmao, cause Elfman is more relevant than Minerva. Twin dragons are the only characters in Sabertooth who are at least somewhat keeping up with our "relevant cast"

You act like Tartaros arc was so far away.

Yea it was lol.
In Tartarus, everyone in team Natsu, except Natsu when in DF, was significantly weaker than Jura.

An year later, Natsu, Gray and Erza are strong enough to stomp Jura. Even tho one year passed, Jura (at least as far as we know) hasn't shown anywhere near the improvement that team Natsu did.

The same is applicable to most characters in x791. Only a very few select characters have shown improvements comparable to team Natsu's, and Minerva has nothing to show that she's one of them. Kagura was on or above Minerva in x791, look at where she's now, got no diff'd by Larcade lmao

 

[Sevently]

Madmole's stats >> average Spriggan's stats.

Minerva couldn't defeat Wahl with 1/3 power lmao. While Elfman defeated a Spriggan with Lissana just for air support.

What has Minerva done since Tartarus? Nothing except apparently stalemating Historia Wahl.
Matching Madmole in physical combat and defeating Ajeel >> not even being sure if she defeated Historia Wahl. Even if she did, defeating 1/3rd power Wahl in extreme diff is hardly impressive

Don't care about stats, Hax >> stats, and Madmole only has good defense.
Elfman can't do nothing against Minerva, and Elfman defeated a Spriggan who was disadvantaged + a 2v1( The fight would have ended in 10 seconds if Lisanna wasn't here to save Elfman)
I don't put Madmole at Spriggan tier, he's weaker than Juliet & Heine who are not historia Spriggan level imo.

 

[grey matter]

Don't care about stats, Hax >> stats, and Madmole only has good defense.
Elfman can't do nothing against Minerva, and Elfman defeated a Spriggan who was disadvantaged + a 2v1( The fight would have ended in 10 seconds if Lisanna wasn't here to save Elfman)

Yea, stats do matter. Cause unlike the Spriggans who had broken hax to make up for fodder stats, Minerva doesn't have jack. Her ability is very much deal-able if you have good stats. One clean blow from Madmole or Elfman and she's toast

I don't put Madmole at Spriggan tier, he's weaker than Juliet & Heine who are not historia Spriggan level imo.

 

[Ronin31]

Ok, you claim an year passed and we don't know how strong Minerva is. That's fair, But we can just scale from x792 and if nothing else changed, Elfman still > Minerva. Even if scaling changed, it would only change in favour of Elfman lmao, cause Elfman is more relevant than Minerva

Yes, on the subject of Lucy vs Minerva, I answer that I am ok with that. Fairy Tail's member will always be stronger than any other Guilds members. They grow far stronger and far faster. It's relevant. The actual result is not really important, and the gap with time will be always in favour of Fairy Tail's members.

I was just saiying that we have to put analogy on same timeline : feats vs Mardmole is a year later, where Minerva's stats are still yet not released.

 

[Sevently]

Yea, stats do matter. Cause unlike the Spriggans who had broken hax to make up for fodder stats, Minerva doesn't have jack. Her ability is very much deal-able if you have good stats. One clean blow from Madmole or Elfman and she's toast

Skullion was on par with BSS Mira who was defeated by Juliet & Heine.
Juliet & Heine > BSS Mira = Skullion > Madmole

 

[Ramen]

Yea, stats do matter. Cause unlike the Spriggans who had broken hax to make up for fodder stats, Minerva doesn't have jack. Her ability is very much deal-able if you have good stats. One clean blow from Madmole or Elfman and she's toast

I wouldn't take @Sevently too seriously. Dude get's debunked over and over and still refuses to admit that Madmole is spriggan tier.

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Apparently the dude who tanked this is not Spriggan tier

Spoiler: LOL

Make this make sense.

 

[Ratrace]

I wouldn't take @Sevently too seriously. Dude get's debunked over and over and still refuses to admit that Madmole is spriggan tier.

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Apparently the dude who tanked this is not Spriggan tier

Spoiler: LOL

Make this make sense.

After seeing that panel I'm hoping the black dragon knights show some decent feats

 

[Ramen]

After seeing that panel I'm hoping the black dragon knights show some decent feats

Me too. By default they're above the like of Skullion and Mira and should be Laxus level.

 

[Ratrace]

Me too. By default they're above the like of Skullion and Mira and should be Laxus level.

They should be but I'm still worried

 

[Axiomus]

I don't put Madmole at Spriggan tier, he's weaker than Juliet & Heine who are not historia Spriggan level imo.

Madmole has Natsu tier physical strength, and tanked the same attack that beat Jacob. Only thing that makes him weaker than a Spriggan is MP.