Fantasy Zeref VS August

[Tirl]

August low-mid diff. I guess Zeref still has his durability, Maybe 2-3 spells to kill him. Or one to make him sleep/tp/ko.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Zeref high diff. Pretty much what @Fyron said.

 

[Sevently]

August high-diff base Zeref
FH Zeref destroy.

 

[Ramen]

Zeref tanked BDKM, he can tank August's attacks.

Zeref wins

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref possibly, thought it would be difficult

 

[LaGOAT]

Zeref tanked BDKM, he can tank August's attacks.

Zeref wins

what feats does zeref have to put August down?

 

[Ramen]

what feats does zeref have to put August down?

Going toe2tow tith BDKM Natsu is enough.

Just waits till he gets tired

 

[LaGOAT]

Going toe2tow tith BDKM Natsu is enough.

Just waits till he gets tired

How? He just copy it

 

[Ramen]

How? He just copy it

Copy what?

 

[sharkai]

what feats does zeref have to put August down?

good question
i will reply with a question too
what feats does August have to put Zeref down?

i cant remember any good offense from august at all

 

[Tirl]

good question
i will reply with a question too
what feats does August have to put Zeref down?

i cant remember any good offense from august at all

One point that all have - Zeref tanked BDKM
What August has to take down Zeref? Well.... Natsu wasnt able to fully resist and consume FIRE based August spell.
August fire attack > Natsu fire resist > Zered def

 

[Sevently]

It was said that the only one who can defeat August is his mother, which mean August is stronger than Zeref & Acnologia.

 

[Static]

It was said that the only one who can defeat August is his mother, which mean August is stronger than Zeref & Acnologia.

Step down, Ankhseram. August is here to take your place.

 

[LaGOAT]

good question
i will reply with a question too
what feats does August have to put Zeref down?

i cant remember any good offense from august at all

Simple he uses crashing magic zeref is done

 

[Axiomus]

A few things:

1) Zeref is not human Acnologia level. Human Acnologia level scales above Natsu with Ignia's flames, which is already above Natsu with Igneel's magic power. Igneel's magic power is the power he left in Natsu's body after his death, which was after his fight with Acnologia. At best Zeref scales to that, and honestly he probably doesn't. He's just able to soak a tonne of damage because of his immortality, but he can't replicate attacks like the finisher that was going to kill him.
Acnologia on the other hand would kill any version of Natsu. If he wasn't frozen by Fairy Sphere, he would probably have just killed Natsu even with his 7 fire dragon power-up. Think about it: Acnologia would be human Ingia level, and human Ignia would be way stronger than Natsu with Ignia's flames. Natsu with Ignia's flames already scales above Natsu with Igneel's mp.

2) Even if August is stronger than Zeref, that doesn't mean he can kill him with the power of the dead. The requirement to kill Zeref isn't simply to be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead. It's to have Igneel's level of power, and to have the power of the dead. You can be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead, but if you're not at the power of Igneel-powered Natsu you're still not going to kill Zeref. Being stronger than Zeref also doesn't mean you can kill him. Ultear beat Zeref on Tenrou, and he was just as immortal back then. Still wouldn't be able to kill him.

3) Zeref without Fairy Heart is slightly above base Natsu. In terms of hand to hand combat, they're more or less equal. Zeref is slightly better with his ability to trap Natsu in his black magic. I am of the belief that without Fairy Heart, then Dragon Force probably would have let Natsu beat Zeref. Zeref may not die from the attack, but the attack disintegrated his body. Zeref would have to rely on his immortal regeneration to recover, and as we've seen on Tenrou when Ultear beat him...that can take a while if he's taking heavy damage. August has a chance here to knock him out, especially since stuff like Ars Magia was shown to effect Mavis.

4) Fairy Heart gives Zeref infinite magic power, but the strength of his individual attacks are still finite. We know this because Natsu's power isn't infinite, and Zeref's attack lost out to Natsu's. Honestly, I don't really see a major improvement in Zeref's basic hand to hand attacks. At first glance it may seem like his hand to hand attacks improved because he was able to poke a hole in Natsu, but Natsu was exhausted from using Dragon Force when he did that. When Lucy rewrote his book and restored him to optimal condition, they were back to trading blows.

 

[Fyron]

A few things:

1) Zeref is not human Acnologia level. Human Acnologia level scales above Natsu with Ignia's flames, which is already above Natsu with Igneel's magic power. Igneel's magic power is the power he left in Natsu's body after his death, which was after his fight with Acnologia. At best Zeref scales to that, and honestly he probably doesn't. He's just able to soak a tonne of damage because of his immortality, but he can't replicate attacks like the finisher that was going to kill him.
Acnologia on the other hand would kill any version of Natsu. If he wasn't frozen by Fairy Sphere, he would probably have just killed Natsu even with his 7 fire dragon power-up. Think about it: Acnologia would be human Ingia level, and human Ignia would be way stronger than Natsu with Ignia's flames. Natsu with Ignia's flames already scales above Natsu with Igneel's mp.

2) Even if August is stronger than Zeref, that doesn't mean he can kill him with the power of the dead. The requirement to kill Zeref isn't simply to be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead. It's to have Igneel's level of power, and to have the power of the dead. You can be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead, but if you're not at the power of Igneel-powered Natsu you're still not going to kill Zeref. Being stronger than Zeref also doesn't mean you can kill him. Ultear beat Zeref on Tenrou, and he was just as immortal back then. Still wouldn't be able to kill him.

3) Zeref without Fairy Heart is slightly above base Natsu. In terms of hand to hand combat, they're more or less equal. Zeref is slightly better with his ability to trap Natsu in his black magic. I am of the belief that without Fairy Heart, then Dragon Force probably would have let Natsu beat Zeref. Zeref may not die from the attack, but the attack disintegrated his body. Zeref would have to rely on his immortal regeneration to recover, and as we've seen on Tenrou when Ultear beat him...that can take a while if he's taking heavy damage. August has a chance here to knock him out, especially since stuff like Ars Magia was shown to effect Mavis.

4) Fairy Heart gives Zeref infinite magic power, but the strength of his individual attacks are still finite. We know this because Natsu's power isn't infinite, and Zeref's attack lost out to Natsu's. Honestly, I don't really see a major improvement in Zeref's basic hand to hand attacks. At first glance it may seem like his hand to hand attacks improved because he was able to poke a hole in Natsu, but Natsu was exhausted from using Dragon Force when he did that. When Lucy rewrote his book and restored him to optimal condition, they were back to trading blows.

1) Nobody said he was Human Acnologia level , because he isn't. Human Acnologia has got insane bouts of magical power. Zeref's MP , however , scales to the MP Igneel left behind in Natsu , so that Natsu could completely incinerate his magic. This is a feat which PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist failed to do , Zeref was still able to rewind time and undo all the damage done with his own magic power. Natsu with the power of the guild mark on the other hand could in fact incinerate all of Zeref's magic so that he couldn't rewind time again , and that scales to Ignia Natsu judging via his burning hand. Guild Mark Natsu couldn't kill Zeref with that attack because his power wasn't from the dead , but he managed to incinerate Zeref's magic so that he couldn't time rewind. Also , there's no proof Human Acnologia's attack power would scale above Ignia Natsu's. I know this sounds insane , but listen.

Natsu ate Ignia's flames which Ignia left after transforming as a dragon. In short , what Natsu ate was a dragon's attack. I'm sure Ignia in dragon form can dish out a lot , lot bigger attacks than in human form . Natsu's MP reserves at that point became equal to one dragon Ignia's attack. And if I remember correctly , the fight ended with Natsu dishing out only 3 attacks. Which means the attacks which Natsu could dish out were one third of Dragon Ignia's attack. And , judging by how Irene went from struggling against Erza in her human form to oneshotting her with her claw in dragon form , I'd reckon their attack stats are increased a lot more than just ×3. Doesn't mean Human Acno is gonna lose a fight against Ignia Natsu , since at the end , Acno's MP is still lot , lot bigger than Natsu's , he'll not exhaust himself in 3 attacks. But I don't think saying Ignia Natsu's AP > Human Acno is that big of an issue.

2) No dude , the requirement is to simply have the power of the dead and be stronger than him , this point has been repeatedly been told to us in the series. Zeref created his demons and hoped for one of them to be stronger than him. Zeref hoped Natsu to get strong enough so that when END power boosts Natsu , he should be stronger than him. The reason Zeref thought Igneel's power can kill Zeref is because Igneel is stronger than him. It's been told multiple times already. Besides , I don't see why's the need for Igneel level magic power here. The curse was given to Zeref , the conditions of him being killed obviously scale from himself. I don't see how does having Igneel level magic power even link here when Igneel has got absolutely no relation with the curse. Plus , even if you do want to believe that what's required to kill him is the level of power Igneel left inside of Natsu , Zeref should still scale to it since all of the power was required to ideally kill him ( had Happy not stopped ). If August was stronger than Zeref , then this shitshow wouldn't have happened , Zeref would've achieved his wish a long time ago , especially considering we have proof that August is 100% willing to even die for him.


3) Zeref , when he got serious , could immobilize Base Natsu with his black magic in a single spell , and Natsu needed Dragon Force to break out of it. I don't see how does that suggest him being on par with Base Natsu. If you're referencing to the earlier fight , he was jobbing. The fact becomes clear because Zeref has shown to be capable of feats much better than that. Like him being able to kill Makarov with a handwave when Natsu needed an FDK Demolition Fist to KO him. And let's not act like he's the only jobber in the arc , Acnologia , August and your all favourite Jacob are jobbers too.

4) I agree with that. I totally agree Zeref's hand to hand combat skills and attack power or stats don't get affected at all. That's why I call FH Zeref as Base Zeref with a fancy time rewind. I still don't see how that makes him on par with Base Natsu. Unless you're implying Natsu's attack which he used in his final encounter was his base attack. PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist failed to incinerate all of Zeref's magic , yet PoF Guild Mark Natsu's attack did. What do you think does that suggest ? I think that suggests Natsu got an external boost from the guild mark , because a little more PoF isn't going to boost him to magnitudes above DF level , when we already know how much DF provides a boost to Natsu. Just think about it and understand how ridiculous it sounds. DF Natsu , whose stats jump by magnitudes on activation , was already induced on PoF when he hit Zeref with that spell , and he was made into a joke. Now Natsu gets a little more angry and incinerates Zeref's magic while in base ? Even you understand how that sounds don't you ?

 

[atlantisreturns]

1) Nobody said he was Human Acnologia level , because he isn't. Human Acnologia has got insane bouts of magical power. Zeref's MP , however , scales to the MP Igneel left behind in Natsu , so that Natsu could completely incinerate his magic. This is a feat which PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist failed to do , Zeref was still able to rewind time and undo all the damage done with his own magic power. Natsu with the power of the guild mark on the other hand could in fact incinerate all of Zeref's magic so that he couldn't rewind time again , and that scales to Ignia Natsu judging via his burning hand. Guild Mark Natsu couldn't kill Zeref with that attack because his power wasn't from the dead , but he managed to incinerate Zeref's magic so that he couldn't time rewind. Also , there's no proof Human Acnologia's attack power would scale above Ignia Natsu's. I know this sounds insane , but listen.

Natsu ate Ignia's flames which Ignia left after transforming as a dragon. In short , what Natsu ate was a dragon's attack. I'm sure Ignia in dragon form can dish out a lot , lot bigger attacks than in human form . Natsu's MP reserves at that point became equal to one dragon Ignia's attack. And if I remember correctly , the fight ended with Natsu dishing out only 3 attacks. Which means the attacks which Natsu could dish out were one third of Dragon Ignia's attack. And , judging by how Irene went from struggling against Erza in her human form to oneshotting her with her claw in dragon form , I'd reckon their attack stats are increased a lot more than just ×3. Doesn't mean Human Acno is gonna lose a fight against Ignia Natsu , since at the end , Acno's MP is still lot , lot bigger than Natsu's , he'll not exhaust himself in 3 attacks. But I don't think saying Ignia Natsu's AP > Human Acno is that big of an issue.

2) No dude , the requirement is to simply have the power of the dead and be stronger than him , this point has been repeatedly been told to us in the series. Zeref created his demons and hoped for one of them to be stronger than him. Zeref hoped Natsu to get strong enough so that when END power boosts Natsu , he should be stronger than him. The reason Zeref thought Igneel's power can kill Zeref is because Igneel is stronger than him. It's been told multiple times already. Besides , I don't see why's the need for Igneel level magic power here. The curse was given to Zeref , the conditions of him being killed obviously scale from himself. I don't see how does having Igneel level magic power even link here when Igneel has got absolutely no relation with the curse. If August was stronger than Zeref , then this shitshow wouldn't have happened , Zeref would've achieved his wish a long time ago , especially considering we have proof that August is 100% willing to even die for him.

3) Zeref , when he got serious , could immobilize Base Natsu with his black magic in a single spell , and Natsu needed Dragon Force to break out of it. I don't see how does that suggest him being on par with Base Natsu. If you're referencing to the earlier fight , he was jobbing. The fact becomes clear because Zeref has shown to be capable of feats much better than that. Like him being able to kill Makarov with a handwave when Natsu needed an FDK Demolition Fist to KO him. And let's not act like he's the only jobber in the arc , Acnologia , August and your all favourite Jacob are jobbers too.

4) I agree with that. I totally agree Zeref's hand to hand combat skills and attack power or stats don't get affected at all. That's why I call FH Zeref as Base Zeref with a fancy time rewind. I still don't see how that makes him on par with Base Natsu. Unless you're implying Natsu's attack which he used in his final encounter was his base attack. PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist failed to incinerate all of Zeref's magic , yet PoF Guild Mark Natsu's attack did. What do you think does that suggest ? I think that suggests Natsu got an external boost from the guild mark , because a little more PoF isn't going to boost him to magnitudes above DF level , when we already know how much DF provides a boost to Natsu. Just think about it and understand how ridiculous it sounds. DF Natsu , whose stats jump by magnitudes on activation , was already induced on PoF when he hit Zeref with that spell , and he was made into a joke. Now Natsu gets a little more angry and incinerates Zeref's magic while in base ? Even you understand how that sounds don't you ?

Bruh people get stronger when they're in base you should know it by now.

 

[Axiomus]

1) Nobody said he was Human Acnologia level , because he isn't. Human Acnologia has got insane bouts of magical power. Zeref's MP , however , scales to the MP Igneel left behind in Natsu , so that Natsu could completely incinerate his magic. This is a feat which PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist failed to do , Zeref was still able to rewind time and undo all the damage done with his own magic power. Natsu with the power of the guild mark on the other hand could in fact incinerate all of Zeref's magic so that he couldn't rewind time again , and that scales to Ignia Natsu judging via his burning hand. Guild Mark Natsu couldn't kill Zeref with that attack because his power wasn't from the dead , but he managed to incinerate Zeref's magic so that he couldn't time rewind. Also , there's no proof Human Acnologia's attack power would scale above Ignia Natsu's. I know this sounds insane , but listen.

Natsu ate Ignia's flames which Ignia left after transforming as a dragon. In short , what Natsu ate was a dragon's attack. I'm sure Ignia in dragon form can dish out a lot , lot bigger attacks than in human form . Natsu's MP reserves at that point became equal to one dragon Ignia's attack. And if I remember correctly , the fight ended with Natsu dishing out only 3 attacks. Which means the attacks which Natsu could dish out were one third of Dragon Ignia's attack. And , judging by how Irene went from struggling against Erza in her human form to oneshotting her with her claw in dragon form , I'd reckon their attack stats are increased a lot more than just ×3. Doesn't mean Human Acno is gonna lose a fight against Ignia Natsu , since at the end , Acno's MP is still lot , lot bigger than Natsu's , he'll not exhaust himself in 3 attacks. But I don't think saying Ignia Natsu's AP > Human Acno is that big of an issue.

2) No dude , the requirement is to simply have the power of the dead and be stronger than him , this point has been repeatedly been told to us in the series. Zeref created his demons and hoped for one of them to be stronger than him. Zeref hoped Natsu to get strong enough so that when END power boosts Natsu , he should be stronger than him. The reason Zeref thought Igneel's power can kill Zeref is because Igneel is stronger than him. It's been told multiple times already. Besides , I don't see why's the need for Igneel level magic power here. The curse was given to Zeref , the conditions of him being killed obviously scale from himself. I don't see how does having Igneel level magic power even link here when Igneel has got absolutely no relation with the curse. Plus , even if you do want to believe that what's required to kill him is the level of power Igneel left inside of Natsu , Zeref should still scale to it since all of the power was required to ideally kill him ( had Happy not stopped ). If August was stronger than Zeref , then this shitshow wouldn't have happened , Zeref would've achieved his wish a long time ago , especially considering we have proof that August is 100% willing to even die for him.


3) Zeref , when he got serious , could immobilize Base Natsu with his black magic in a single spell , and Natsu needed Dragon Force to break out of it. I don't see how does that suggest him being on par with Base Natsu. If you're referencing to the earlier fight , he was jobbing. The fact becomes clear because Zeref has shown to be capable of feats much better than that. Like him being able to kill Makarov with a handwave when Natsu needed an FDK Demolition Fist to KO him. And let's not act like he's the only jobber in the arc , Acnologia , August and your all favourite Jacob are jobbers too.

4) I agree with that. I totally agree Zeref's hand to hand combat skills and attack power or stats don't get affected at all. That's why I call FH Zeref as Base Zeref with a fancy time rewind. I still don't see how that makes him on par with Base Natsu. Unless you're implying Natsu's attack which he used in his final encounter was his base attack. PoF induced DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist failed to incinerate all of Zeref's magic , yet PoF Guild Mark Natsu's attack did. What do you think does that suggest ? I think that suggests Natsu got an external boost from the guild mark , because a little more PoF isn't going to boost him to magnitudes above DF level , when we already know how much DF provides a boost to Natsu. Just think about it and understand how ridiculous it sounds. DF Natsu , whose stats jump by magnitudes on activation , was already induced on PoF when he hit Zeref with that spell , and he was made into a joke. Now Natsu gets a little more angry and incinerates Zeref's magic while in base ? Even you understand how that sounds don't you ?

I agree with a lot of what you say, but.

I have a hard time believing Zeref could replicate Igneel-powered Natsu's feats, particularly the finisher he used. I don't think Zeref can dish out attacks on the level of Igneel-powered Natsu. Just tank them, and I attribute part of that to his immortality.

Zeref didn't create demons so that they could be more powerful than him. He created demons so that they could be powerful enough to kill him. Ultear was stronger than Zeref on Tenrou. She beat him. If Ultear got the power of the dead back then, she still wouldn't be able to kill Zeref. It's entirely possible to beat up Zeref, and not be powerful enough to kill him.

When I say that Zeref was fighting on par with base Natsu in hand to hand, I mean that their exchanges were fairly even. Zeref was better overall because he managed to trap Natsu with his black magic, but in hand to hand they were pretty even. When he obtained Fairy Heart, they're hand to hand exchanges were still fairly even. Granted, now that I look at it, his attacks do seem to be able to cut Natsu and do more damage than before. But the increase isn't massive. I attribute Natsu getting stabbed mostly to him being exhausted from using dragon force, and not being able to defend himself. When he was healed, they started fighting like this:

Spoiler

 

[sharkai]

Simple he uses crashing magic zeref is done

When has August ever taken anyone out by using crash, or even heavely injured someone with crash.

As far i remember, August has no good offence feat

This argument to me is equal to irene turning someone into a rat to win

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 15, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 15, 2020 ---

One point that all have - Zeref tanked BDKM
What August has to take down Zeref? Well.... Natsu wasnt able to fully resist and consume FIRE based August spell.
August fire attack > Natsu fire resist > Zered def

Erm what
August attack was heat based, it wasnt fire. Natsu negated the heat effect of it.

Natsu can easily eat atlas flame, igneel and ignia flame. If august has any fire spell, he will eat that too

 

[Fyron]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but.

I have a hard time believing Zeref could replicate Igneel-powered Natsu's feats, particularly the finisher he used. I don't think Zeref can dish out attacks on the level of Igneel-powered Natsu. Just tank them, and I attribute part of that to his immortality.

Zeref didn't create demons so that they could be more powerful than him. He created demons so that they could be powerful enough to kill him. Ultear was stronger than Zeref on Tenrou. She beat him. If Ultear got the power of the dead back then, she still wouldn't be able to kill Zeref. It's entirely possible to beat up Zeref, and not be powerful enough to kill him.

When I say that Zeref was fighting on par with base Natsu in hand to hand, I mean that their exchanges were fairly even. Zeref was better overall because he managed to trap Natsu with his black magic, but in hand to hand they were pretty even. When he obtained Fairy Heart, they're hand to hand exchanges were still fairly even. Granted, now that I look at it, his attacks do seem to be able to cut Natsu and do more damage than before. But the increase isn't massive. I attribute Natsu getting stabbed mostly to him being exhausted from using dragon force, and not being able to defend himself. When he was healed, they started fighting like this:

Spoiler

If you don't want to believe Zeref can dish out attacks of Igneel Natsu's tier fine , even I don't believe he can because Zeref's magic attacks were incinerated by Igneel Natsu , that can only happen if Igneel Natsu's dished out attacks are stronger than Zeref's. But the fact still remains Natsu had to utilize every single bit of Igneel's power to even ideally kill Zeref , even if Happy hadn't intervened it would've cost Natsu every single bit of the power Igneel left for him to kill Zeref. Tanking Igneel Natsu's attacks attributes to his durability , not immortality , because Igneel Natsu's attacks were bypassing Zeref's immortality. It was just Zeref tanking them at that point. Immortality kicks in when Zeref's durability is over and he can't tank anything , and he's out of his capacity to fight , like when Guild Mark Natsu incinerated all of Zeref's magic so that he couldn't time rewind. The factor saving him from dying that time was his immortality. However , against Igneel Natsu , Zeref was still standing , not even once did he go down. Immortality couldn't have played a part there because power of the dead was bypassing it , it didn't matter at that time anymore , it was non existant as far as that battle was concerned.

No , Zeref created demons which he hoped to be stronger than him so that those demons could kill him. The condition is that you've to be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead to kill him. He said it on Tenrou ,at Tartaros he wanted END to "surpass" him , again in his fight with Natsu he says he hopes that END can be stronger than him and defeat him. And we know that END was created for the purpose of killing Zeref , so this round and again points to the same fact that you need to be stronger than Zeref and have the power of the dead to kill him. Ultear wasn't stronger than Zeref at Tenrou. That was Zeref being dramatic and in his cry baby state. There wasn't even a single scratch on Zeref when she supposedly "knocked him out" as far as I remember. He likely wasn't understanding what's going on and was overdramatic that time. It's no different from Erza struggling to get out of Historia Serena' attacks , or her struggling against powercrept historias ( she shouldn't have trouble with pre timeskip historias even when injured ) . Her genuinely knocking him out would mean her attack scales to entirety of the power Igneel left back for Natsu , since it would've require the entirety of power to put him down as he was still standing after many attacks. I think you understand how ridiculous this sounds. Besides , not that it really matters here , we know Zeref's durability scales to the power Igneel left behind for Natsu which is canonically above whatever August can dish out till he gets exhausted , August simply doesn't have the means to put him down.

As I already made my point before , he was jobbing , just like Acnologia , just like Erza ( in some cases ) , just like current Gray , just like majority of the Spriggans. He himself said that he wasn't taking the fight seriously ,and was letting Natsu fight by going easy on him. We saw how he killed Larcade just because he was trying to kill Natsu. But we know he's got better feats which eclipse that PiS battle. Such as trapping Natsu within his black magic with only one spell ( I'd argue that is when he was serious ) , and easily being able to kill Makarov with a handwave what Natsu required FDK Demo Fist to simply knock him out. Natsu would've been screwed had it not been for Dragon Force saving his ass , and he needed it to simply break out of one spell. These feats overwrite the plot induced stupidity in the earlier fight and prove he actually is stronger than that.

And if you're talking about comparing his feats to August's , then yes , I can see him replicating everything August did. Yes I can see him mopping the floor with Crime Sorciere , especially when he's shown to be capable of oneshot immobilizing Base Natsu tier opponents and most of CS is featless apart from Jellal who's implied to be in Natsu's tier. ( And if we're talking about feats even Jellal isn't near Natsu ) And remember , we don't even know how many attacks it took August to down them since the battle was off screen. Yes I can see him blowing a hole through a magic exhausted Mirajane's body which isn't all that impressive in the fist place , he simply does what he did to the book of END. Yes I can see him oneshotting Brandish considering she was amazed and surprised at Base Natsu's casual punch against Neinhart and thought he was very strong because of that . Yes I can see him shrugging off Gildarts' attack considering he shrugged off first few attacks from Igneel Natsu. In fact , strictly speaking , Zeref's offense feats are better than August's considering he has proven he can oneshot immobilize Natsu tiers and kill someone with a wave who needed an FDK Demo Fist to be taken out , whereas August hasn't shown to oneshot anybody apart from Brandish.