Discussion Straw Hat's Crew Strength (Ranking)

[bittman]

I disagree that Brooke's damage output isn't remarkable.

Brook Skill as a Swordsman

Speed and Above Average swordsmanship

First link: Only a few pages earlier, Franky probably dished out a ton more damage with stone pillars on nunchukas. Considering Brooke was using a sword, the damage output there is not remarkable. Especially at that stage of the manga where a few chapters later we had a lot of the Strawhat's hit the punching bag that was Oars with quite serious damage.

Second Link: Yes I agree, his speed and technique is great. In both those respects he's probably equal to, or a bit below, the Monster Trio. I never said otherwise about those two aspects of his battle ability.

Personally I think brook is meant to be a fighting member of the crew rather than anything else. He won't match up to the monster trio but he would surely be comparable to franky. His flexibility, speed and music make him a remarkable fighter IMHO.

Also, seeing the fight of ryuma vs zoro, is it evident brook's technique is the real deal and comparable to that of zoro. Zoro is superior to brook not because his actual sword skills are superior but because he is faster and stronger.

On the bolded bits: as I said above, I never disagreed with that. He is flexible, he is technical, he is musical and he is fast.

But he is made of bones. Bones have no muscles, no cushioning from damage. Every bit of damage he takes wears away on the frame that keeps his soul in his body. Brooke can grow, realistically, in regards to skill alone.

My point is that Brooke is ALL technique and speed. A good mix, sure, but against stronger enemies he has no "remarkable" (I mean, you look at it and go WHOA FUCK!) damage ouput shown thus far, and most likely would be the Strawhat to fall over first if they all received the same damage.

So my rank is based off the fact that, despite great speed and technique, he has average power and low defence. I somewhat agree with your "fighting member" assesment, but then again I'd only rank 3 members as "not fighting members" (Chopper, Nami and Ussop) and that's only because of their characters, not their strength. Nami's useful in every fight, but she has a real brain on her shoulders and reacts like a real person to outrageous shit.

 

[kkck]

Personally, I never really thought the whole lack of muscles was an issue for brook in terms of strength simply because OP is not that scientific a manga. I don't think oda will limit him through something like that -he can eat for gods sake lol-. Also note that Brook can heal his wounds in mere seconds by drinking milk.

 

[Naruffy]

My point is that Brooke is ALL technique and speed. A good mix, sure, but against stronger enemies he has no "remarkable" (I mean, you look at it and go WHOA FUCK!) damage ouput shown thus far, and most likely would be the Strawhat to fall over first if they all received the same damage.

The only strong person Brooke has been shown uncapable of beating (Other than the obvious Kuma, Rayleigh etc.) is Ryuuma, someone of which it took Zoro to beat. Brook's damage output is low compared to the likes of Zoro, Sanji, Franky and Luffy, but he can definately put out more damage than Chopper (Other than Arm Point), Robin, Nami (Other than Thunderbolt Tempo) and Ussop.

Only a few pages earlier, Franky probably dished out a ton more damage with stone pillars on nunchukas. Considering Brooke was using a sword, the damage output there is not remarkable. Especially at that stage of the manga where a few chapters later we had a lot of the Strawhat's hit the punching bag that was Oars with quite serious damage.

Don't forget that Brook also dealt out some serious damage to Oz (went through his shoulder)

But he is made of bones. Bones have no muscles, no cushioning from damage. Every bit of damage he takes wears away on the frame that keeps his soul in his body. Brooke can grow, realistically, in regards to skill alone.

Yes, Brook is more vulnerable to attacks, but I don't think that makes him considerably weaker than everyone else.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/470/14-15/

Brook was knocked out like everyone else, but he wasn't shattered to pieces as you might expect.

 

[braindamage351]

1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Franky
5. Chopper
6. Brooke
7. Robin
8. Nami
9. Usopp

Close topic

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

^ chopper stronger than robin only if he manages to control monster point .
come on give ussop some credits man he is the sharpshooter .

 

[Franckie]

^ chopper stronger than robin only if he manages to control monster point .
come on give ussop some credits man he is the sharpshooter .

Usopp will always be the weakest SH. That doesn't mean he's the least useful. Depending on the situation, Usopp would be one of the more useful crewmembers. This was actually a critical note during Enies Lobby.

 

[Gcat88]

Oda has stated that Usopp is made to seem humanlike. Everyone else is non-human, in one form or another. Nami is, MAYBE, the only one that is as close to being human as Usopp. He isnt weak, he is a prime exmaple of human capacitiy.

 

[OunknownO]

he may be the muscle weakest but in fight he uses his brain...

1. Luffy/Zoro
2. Sanji
3. Franky
4. Chopper
5. Brook
6. Usopp
7. Robin
8. Nami

 

[Gcat88]

Usopp is the muscle weakest but in terms of using the brain he is no doubt number one, if not number two behind Nami.

 

[kkck]

Usopp is the muscle weakest but in terms of using the brain he is no doubt number one, if not number two behind Nami.

I would argue nami and robin are a mile above ussop in intelligence. Chopper is naive but also smarter than ussop. Sanji is also reasonably smart, his smarts made a big difference against crocodile in the alabasta arc. While not as inventive, he doesn't need to be since he is a cook -I think sanji as a cook is more inventive than ussop with his own gadgets though-. Franky also seems smarter than ussop IMHO. Ussop is not really dumb but among the strawhats he would only be smarter than brook, zoro and luffy which is not to say much.

 

[NoLimit89]

Chopper and Ussop are really underpowered IMO. Chopper needs to either control monster point or be as capable as the awakened zoans in impel down IMO.

Usopp needs to try harder, sure he has amazing range but he still hasn't managed to hit anyone at captain level or higher. From the looks of it, Yassop seems really strong. Ussop needs to catch up to him.

 

[karthikmurs]

Luffy
Zorro
Sanji
Brook
Usopp
Franky
Robin
Chopper
Nami

Before you start complaining why I have rated Usopp so high, I want you to understand that he is a marks man. He lacks courage. But, just look what he has done with a toy weapon and a bit of gunpowder? Give him a good weapon and let him develop a bit of courage, you will see..

But nevertheless, at the moment, the ratings I gave merely exemplifies the kind of contribution they can bring in to the team, battle wise.

 

[bittman]

If anything, in a battle, Nami is probably the biggest contributor fullstop. So that point about putting Ussop up there for battle contribution is void.

And you seemed to rate Ussop with big "if"s. By the same token I could basically say "IF nami got a weather devil fruit and could make tornados she would be great" or "IF Franky got remade out of seastone he'd be unstoppable" or "IF Sanji used punches also..."

Ussop will never be super corageous and will never have a non-toy weapon. That is his character. He is not the brighest, and not the most handy. Ussop is a weak human with average intelligence, but a lot of ingenuity and luck.

The only thing Ussop is "top" at amongst the Strawhat's, is negativity.

 

[karthikmurs]

And you seemed to rate Ussop with big "if"s. By the same token I could basically say "IF nami got a weather devil fruit and could make tornados she would be great" or "IF Franky got remade out of seastone he'd be unstoppable" or "IF Sanji used punches also..."

Oh. So you are comparing Usopp to Nami.. I specifically said contribution to the team in a battle...

Ussop will never be super corageous and will never have a non-toy weapon.

will "never" have? How can you be so certain? Luffy gets a power ups (gears and Haki), Zorro gets them (swords updates). And the ace sniper in the team will not? Why do you think, after kuma sent them flying, the team is in different places relating to them? (Zorro in Shikkearu ruins meeting up with an unknown swordsman; Nami in sky island checking out weather tools; Franky in the hometown of Vegabond, the greatest scientist; Usopp in a place where is constantly being attacked by theives and wild man eating plants..)

So you telling me that these things mean nothing? No relevance to their character development ??? If you think so, sorry, I pity you.

That is his character. He is not the brighest, and not the most handy. Ussop is a weak human with average intelligence, but a lot of ingenuity and luck.

The only thing Ussop is "top" at amongst the Strawhat's, is negativity.

Lets wait and see.

But even with current contributions to the team, Usopp is more resourceful.. Well, if not in battle, sure. I can settle with you telling Nami may be more useful than Usopp..

 

[z.5]

My list would go

Luffy
Zorro
Sanji
Chopper
Brook
Franky/Robin - I think she is criminally underrated, her ability is very powerful also.
Nami/Usopp

 

[Oni Giri]

well, i'd say;

luffy
zoro
sanji
robin
franky
chopper
nami
brook
usopp

 

[firework]

Re: Rank the Strawhats!

Tier 1:
1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji

Tier 2:
4. Robin
5. Franky
6. Brooke

Tier 3:
7. Chopper
8. Nami
9. Usopp

 

[BetaRuler]

I think fireworks got it quite right with the Tier system...


How I wish it were ;-;

Lufy
Sanji (In fact he should come 1st!)
Zorro
Brooke (I wish yohohohoho)
Robin
Franky
Chopper? (Not sure, I think sometimes Usopp and Nami could beat him because of their weapons, even though Chopper has managed to beat stronger foes)
Usopp
Nami

When I think about it, Usopp made Namis weapons, if not for Usopps help, what weapon would Nami weild now?

I suppose the SH's bounties are supposed to reflect whose the strongest among them really, except for Choppers bounty, that was a laugh XD
Brookes bounty may also be in need of change, considering as he said he'd been training and getting stronger since his death.

Now for my rankings...

(Assuming Luffy is the strongest, everyone else is judged by how the would preform in a 1 on 1 fight with him)

Luffy
Zorro
Sanji



Brooke
Franky

Robin

Nami
Ussop

Chopper

Them vs Luffy right... CONSIDERING Nami's attacks are lightning based, how do you figure Nami would do better than Ussop or Chopper?

 

[triniman121]

nami just has to use her fists against luffy and she will win ^^

 

[BetaRuler]

@Triniman
s***... good point ;-; ok put her at the top then