Discussion Secret behind Blackbeard's dual DFs?

[k-dom]

By what kind of magic could have zoro and luffy know about this secret ability even Blackbeard crewmembers didn't know. There is a very simple explanation fir the they and this is the one which is correct.

 

[faiz461]

How in the world would Luffy and Zoro know that Teach, someone who they don't even know, haven't met before, haven't sailed with, or even fought against, have an "abnormal" body?

16 chars of instinct

 

[HereNThere]

16 chars of instinct

Their instinct are good, but they aren't that damn good. There is no real reason to think that Luffy and Zoro were referring to Blackbeard alone, especially after Oda just introduced his entire crew beforehand.

 

[faiz461]

Their instinct are good, but they aren't that damn good. There is no real reason to think that Luffy and Zoro were referring to Blackbeard alone, especially after Oda just introduced his entire crew beforehand.

at that time, i would think that there would be no special reason. i just think that luffy and zoro are somewhat gifted in this field. zoro has the ability to tell whether a sword is cursed or not, when there is no logic/basis for this. even the shop owner was surprised. and to make it more insane, he bet his arm against it. now what do you call that? experience? luck? or plain instinct? i would think of the latter.

luffy on the other hand, always seem to know who is opponents should be (always the strongest person). and during his fight with mr 3 when he kick the original body of mr 3. we could relate that to CoO, but at that time, it's pure instinct.

but anyway, until the truth is revealed about blackbeard, and Oda himself explaining the jaya situation, we may never know for sure. sure, i look like someone who's looking too deep into something, when the meaning is clear at the surface, but hey, you never know right?

 

[Ace4]

Wow, still a heated argument after such a long time about his Dual DF.
Cerberus, Chimear etc. theories seem possible to me because of the flag and his atypical body. But I think it's because of the Yami Yami No Mi since he really wanted that fruit before anything else. If he had the ability before to consume a second fruit it's weird that he would pass on additional fruits except if the amount was limited and he really wanted the YAmi yami no mi and the gura gura no mi. In the end it's probably going to be a combination of effects. By the way, the claim that Zorro and Luffy called him they and saw through he's nature is ridiculous. Nobody else in Marineford understood it so if it's something that can be seen with some instinct it's weird that nobody mentioned anything there. Maybe that's Oda keeping us gessing but I don't believe that.

Now a new thing for the discussion:

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/650/7

He isn't using the Gura Gura no Mi at all. Is it possible that he can only use stolen fruits for a limited amount of time? Is the total usage limited? Or does he just want to rely on the Yami Yami No Mi for small jobs and unleash the Gura Gura No mi only when he's in a pinch?

 

[BurnSchulz]

1. at Jaya, Luffy and Zoro said that Teach wasn't a "he", but rather "they".

Its stated often enough that this was because Zoro and Luffy knew that he wasnt alone on this island. They recognized his whole behaving as being a pirate himself and as that being part of a pirate crew.

 

[uberfayt]

Now there is another clue about BB that we must not overlook: In chapter 650, Jinbei tells luffy that BB has gone man-hunting on DF users and that conquered a lot of territory, "but strangely enough without using the gura gura fruit" !! yet during the marineford war arc he was shown capable of using both powers at once...does that mean that he can somehow "equip" DF one at a time and gain their abilities, somehow related to the Yami Yami's void property ?

 

[Wowzers]

There are certainly some interesting theory's going around for how BB got multiple DF powers.

1) BB ate the Yami Yami no mi and 'somehow' ate the Gura Gura no mi
2) BB ate the Yami Yami no mi and his 2nd head ate the Gura Gura no mi
3) BB ate the Yami Yami no mi and his saimese twin ate the Gura Gura no mi
4) BB ate the Yami Yami no mi and the Yami Yami no mi ate the Gura Gura no mi in a black hole.

I'm sure there are others, but how would we find out what is the correct solution? I say, if you know that you are going to fight BB, bring a DF with you to the fight. Keep it hidden until he uses his Yami Yami no mi against you and reveal it just before he grabs you. Depending on how his multiple ability works he will panic and reveal something about his secret. You may not even need to bring a REAL DF. One made up to look like one would be sufficient.

The only trouble is getting away afterwords to spread the word.

P.S. If it was a real DF, you stand a good chance of destroying him on the spot if he doesn't handle it right... but also stand a chance of powering him up if he does.

 

[Ace4]

Now there is another clue about BB that we must not overlook: In chapter 650, Jinbei tells luffy that BB has gone man-hunting on DF users and that conquered a lot of territory, "but strangely enough without using the gura gura fruit" !! yet during the marineford war arc he was shown capable of using both powers at once...does that mean that he can somehow "equip" DF one at a time and gain their abilities, somehow related to the Yami Yami's void property ?

I wrote the same thing 2 posts ago...
It is strange because he was using both of them at Marineford. I was thinking that his ability is limited somehow or he has trouble using the Gura Gura No Mi.

 

[HiAndromon]

My theory is he never 'ATE' a second devil fruit. His power allows him to absorb things into his body, so as long as he has a dormant power, in it's fruit form, in his void space he may be able to draw on it's power without eating it. it would make sense as to why his crew is currently hunting down powerful devil fruits.

 

[hokageji]

your theory sounds good, it would be like teach carrying multiple D fruits in his pockets and the black hole abosrbs the ability. But there are two issues with this....

The black hole will have to be used first everytime he wants to use another DF ability. We saw him use guragura anytime he wants

The second being Shiliew's statement when the black cloth was used to cover it: "IF this fails, we all go our seperate ways" which would mean he ate the fruit, something that should actuallly kill a person

 

[Razh]

The second being Shiliew's statement when the black cloth was used to cover it: "IF this fails, we all go our seperate ways" which would mean he ate the fruit, something that should actuallly kill a person

It just means whatever BB did was untested and they didn't know it would work 100%.

So, maybe he carried some fruit with him, or maybe he extracted the power with his devil fruit somehow. Or there's something entirely different involved. Somehow I doubt it's yami yami. Because, if his devil fruit allowed him to do it, why the need to hide it from everyone? Fact it was hidden implies that others could repeat the process if they saw what he did. Fact that he's hunting devil fruit users could furthermore imply this, since I doubt all of the powers are going to BB himself.

But pretty much all of this has been written in this thread already.

 

[nightshade_nova]

Knowing Oda, it might be pun related power that enables Teach to absorb df powers.Im not even kidding.

 

[KuroKarasu]

It just means whatever BB did was untested and they didn't know it would work 100%.

So, maybe he carried some fruit with him, or maybe he extracted the power with his devil fruit somehow. Or there's something entirely different involved. Somehow I doubt it's yami yami. Because, if his devil fruit allowed him to do it, why the need to hide it from everyone? Fact it was hidden implies that others could repeat the process if they saw what he did. Fact that he's hunting devil fruit users could furthermore imply this, since I doubt all of the powers are going to BB himself.

But pretty much all of this has been written in this thread already.

That's actually the first time an argument against the fruit being extracted by the Yami Yami makes much sense to me. The fact that he had to hide it actually does imply that it could be copied. But if we went with the "several bodies" then hiding it wouldn't be necessary either because a) many people have noticed it (Marco, Luffy, Zoro) and b) because it couldn't be copied.

I personally still think that it is the Yami Yami and he just hid it in order to stay mysterious and maybe even stay mysterious after his death. If everybody knew what the Yami was capable of then it would annoy him aswell I think. So him hidin it doesn't cleary indicate anything at all. It could basically have been for any reason.

 

[Razh]

That's actually the first time an argument against the fruit being extracted by the Yami Yami makes much sense to me. The fact that he had to hide it actually does imply that it could be copied. But if we went with the "several bodies" then hiding it wouldn't be necessary either because a) many people have noticed it (Marco, Luffy, Zoro) and b) because it couldn't be copied.

Well I'm against that multiple bodies nonsense that someone brings up every couple of months. Luffy and Zoro meant Blackbeard's crew and it should be clear to anyone who knows how Oda writes. They meet couple of pirates tempting fate on Jaya, then ultimately talk to their captain. They know this, because of their instincts and whatnot.

As for hiding it, yes, Blackbeard is the only known person who has more than one power, but it doesn't mean people who don't have devil fruits wouldn't be able to do what Blackbeard did to Whitebeard. Assuming that's the reason Blackbeard hid what he did from everyone else.

 

[KuroKarasu]

Well I'm against that multiple bodies nonsense that someone brings up every couple of months. Luffy and Zoro meant Blackbeard's crew and it should be clear to anyone who knows how Oda writes. They meet couple of pirates tempting fate on Jaya, then ultimately talk to their captain. They know this, because of their instincts and whatnot.

As for hiding it, yes, Blackbeard is the only known person who has more than one power, but it doesn't mean people who don't have devil fruits wouldn't be able to do what Blackbeard did to Whitebeard. Assuming that's the reason Blackbeard hid what he did from everyone else.

Actually I think the multiple body theory is bullshit aswell. Sorry if it didn't seem that way in my first post.

Yes that's true aswell. If it wasn't a method of eating 2 fruits but just a method of extracting or "creating" the Df power and it could be anyone then it would also be worth hiding. But I doubt that that is the case. The fact that he waited so long for the Yami Yami just has to mean something. The fruit made him stronger but it wasn't that hax. It was a strong, special fruit but nothing unbeatable. Now with the DF power extraction it makes sense that he had it all planned and actually killed Thatch because of it.

Well like I said I personally think that he just hid it to keep the Yami Yami's power a secret (for future generations for example) and to stay mysterious. And that the extraction was just possible because of the Yami Yami and not because a second body or what not.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Well I'm against that multiple bodies nonsense that someone brings up every couple of months. Luffy and Zoro meant Blackbeard's crew and it should be clear to anyone who knows how Oda writes. They meet couple of pirates tempting fate on Jaya, then ultimately talk to their captain. They know this, because of their instincts and whatnot.

Which makes Zoro's part of the quote even more mysterious. If he knows as you claim then why the "maybe". Why is he so uncertain? If their speech about BB were something on its own I would have against the theory as well. But with the flag, the ability to eat more than one fruit and several other characters talking about his body being strange, I feel there's something more to it. Not necessarily multiple people inside his body, though.

 

[Razh]

Which makes Zoro's part of the quote even more mysterious. If he knows as you claim then why the "maybe". Why is he so uncertain? If their speech about BB were something on its own I would have against the theory as well. But with the flag, the ability to eat more than one fruit and several other characters talking about his body being strange, I feel there's something more to it. Not necessarily multiple people inside his body, though.

Well, I saw also "probably" as translation.

Luffy tells to Nami that it's not "he" but "them", and Zoro says "probably"/"maybe".

Don't know in what universe Luffy and Zoro had ability to scan other people's bodies.
What they do have are instincts and experience regarding people and pirates. End of Jaya arc specifically shows us what they meant, when Blackbeard pirates were first introduced. Until that moment, nobody knew what the hell they were talking about, but at that moment, it becomes clear. And there isn't any other reference to what Luffy and Zoro were talking about to this day.

I wish people dropped it and gave up already.

 

[David Rose]

I kinda get the impression, that when Oda made all that explainations about the devils inside the fruits, he wanted to let us know, what really is all behind the fruits. So i think that those devils are real and that it's possible to catch them, like ghosts. Because if they have a physical appearance, once the host dies and they are set free again, to become a new fruit, they theoretically vulnerable thorughout that phase.

So there are most likely two people in the entire world that can catch those devils: BB and Vegapunk. Since Vegapunk is the vast genius and gravity simply is the strongest force in the universe, they both seem to have an edge.

When it comes to BB i think he can store those devils inside the gravityspace, he creates though his fruit, where he also stored the whole town when he fought Ace. So the devil doesn't even enter his body, but BB can still manipulate his power with his own DF.

 

[Razh]

There are no devils in fruits, it's an old wives tale told by Jyabura. Blueno and Lucci correct him on the same page.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2492-3/one-piece/chapter-385.html