Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Arjuna]

Might not be. Naruto and Kyuubi are two separate beings coexisting in the same body. I don't think that's the same situation with Natsu and END. They could be the same person with different personalities. Maybe like Naruto and dark Naruto. Or yin & yang Kyuubi. I think that END is simply Natsu's Etherious form, except that it has a different personality. Even normal people have multiple personalities (currently known as Dissociative identity disorder). I think that could explain why END is deemed as a separate from Natsu (by Zeref). In such cases, memories associated with one might not be available to the other and sometimes, actions are even performed unbeknownst to the other.

Natsu and Other Demons are different.When Zeref converted Mard Geer in Book He instantly turned into a Book.When Probably Natsu's Demonic Part was sealed His END Part was Sealed in that Book While Natsu remained.

 

[Axiomus]

I'm pretty sure Natsu will keep the fire dragon king spells. I got the impression that Natsu was only using Igneel's power against Zeref, and not for anyone else. I also got the impression that using Igneel's power doesn't necessarily mean Natsu was using fire dragon king spells. If he was using Igneel's power whenever he used fire dragon king spells, why didn't Happy expressed his surprise when he used them against the Alvarez Army? Why would Natsu hold back against a Spriggan, but not against the War God or fodders? Against Zeref, why did he wait until the final attack to enter fire dragon king mode? The fact that Natsu still had enough power for one more attack against Zeref but was worried it was going to run out kind of goes against the idea that he can store this power and use it bit by bit.

Spoiler

Now, some people have said that he said he was using Igneel's flames when he used demolition fist against Ikusa-Tsunagi, but in the Japanese raws he only mentioned Igneel's name (イグニール ) in the subtext of Fire Dragon King (炎竜王). That's really just there to indicate that when Natsu says "Fire Dragon King" he's referring to Igneel's title. In the actual spoken words, he would have said "炎竜王". When we hear it from the anime, it's likely it will be "en-ryu-ou" as opposed to "Ig-ni-ru". The Imishihui Chinese translations neglect to put Igneel's name altogether. Instead, they just write 火龍王, which is just fire dragon king.

Spoiler

I guess we'll have to see whether or not he can still use the Fire Dragon King spells and how he stacks up against a Spriggan.

 

[Arjuna]

Irrelevant. That was a one time thing.

He can still use LFD and now DF which is 3X His Base Power.He will Crush erza.

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I'm pretty sure Natsu will keep the fire dragon king spells. I got the impression that Natsu was only using Igneel's power against Zeref, and not for anyone else. I also got the impression that using Igneel's power doesn't necessarily mean Natsu was using fire dragon king spells. If he was using Igneel's power whenever he used fire dragon king spells, why didn't Happy expressed his surprise when he used them against the Alvarez Army? Why would Natsu hold back against a Spriggan, but not against the War God or fodders? Against Zeref, why did he wait until the final attack to enter fire dragon king mode? The fact that Natsu still had enough power for one more attack against Zeref but was worried it was going to run out kind of goes against the idea that he can store this power and use it bit by bit.

Spoiler

Now, some people have said that he said he was using Igneel's flames when he used demolition fist against Ikusa-Tsunagi, but in the Japanese raws he only mentioned Igneel's name (イグニール ) in the subtext of Fire Dragon King (炎竜王). That's really just there to indicate that when Natsu says "Fire Dragon King" he's referring to Igneel's title. In the actual spoken words, he would have said "炎竜王". When we hear it from the anime, it's likely it will be "en-ryu-ou" as opposed to "Ig-ni-ru". The Imishihui Chinese translations neglect to put Igneel's name altogether. Instead, they just write 火龍王, which is just fire dragon king.

Spoiler

I guess we'll have to see whether or not he can still use the Fire Dragon King spells and how he stacks up against a Spriggan.

There is a rumour that Natsu used Igneel's Power.That Rumour is wrong.If it had Then it would have vanished at that time.You explained and gave a good Explanation.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm pretty sure Natsu will keep the fire dragon king spells. I got the impression that Natsu was only using Igneel's power against Zeref, and not for anyone else. I also got the impression that using Igneel's power doesn't necessarily mean Natsu was using fire dragon king spells. If he was using Igneel's power whenever he used fire dragon king spells, why didn't Happy expressed his surprise when he used them against the Alvarez Army? Why would Natsu hold back against a Spriggan, but not against the War God or fodders? Against Zeref, why did he wait until the final attack to enter fire dragon king mode? The fact that Natsu still had enough power for one more attack against Zeref but was worried it was going to run out kind of goes against the idea that he can store this power and use it bit by bit.

Judging by Happy and Zeref, Natsu only began using the Igneel power when he took off the bandage (or when he said BDK mode). Either way it should be assumed Natsu can use FDK spells until proven otherwise.

Even if you look at it from MP perspective, Natsu's FD fist and roar have AoE comparable to the FDK spells, Natsu's MP seems like it should easily cover FDK spells too.

 

[A_Katz]

Do you think Natsu will have control over END when he gets the power up?If he does... it would just be a power up... but if he doesn't, doesn't that mean he'll be at Zerefs beckon and call, after all he is an Etherious...

 

[kkck]

I have been wondering.... does it make sense that END is an actual demon? As far as we have seen, zeref did not actually create demons. First we have the garuna island folk who are demons. And then we have the guys mira absorbs who are also demons who apparently don't rely on zeref to exist. So unless demons we have seen are descendants of the ones created by zeref it is pretty clear that demons are a legitimate and independent species within fairy verse. With that in mind it would make sense if the etherius we have seen are demons but only because zeref was specifically making demons. But what if he could make other creatures as well? Why make his little brother as a demon? In another post I made the point that people might have misinterpreted events from history and came to wrong conclusions. Say, hades thought zeref was sealed and the keys of zeref were required to release him. That could have been a misinterpretation of what went on with eclipse and the last of ethernano and whatnot. With that in mind, what is END being a demon is simply an assumption people made? He is an etherius but not quite a demon.

 

[MangerDan]

I have been wondering.... does it make sense that END is an actual demon? As far as we have seen, zeref did not actually create demons. First we have the garuna island folk who are demons. And then we have the guys mira absorbs who are also demons who apparently don't rely on zeref to exist. So unless demons we have seen are descendants of the ones created by zeref it is pretty clear that demons are a legitimate and independent species within fairy verse. With that in mind it would make sense if the etherius we have seen are demons but only because zeref was specifically making demons. But what if he could make other creatures as well? Why make his little brother as a demon? In another post I made the point that people might have misinterpreted events from history and came to wrong conclusions. Say, hades thought zeref was sealed and the keys of zeref were required to release him. That could have been a misinterpretation of what went on with eclipse and the last of ethernano and whatnot. With that in mind, what is END being a demon is simply an assumption people made? He is an etherius but not quite a demon.

It was stated I believe in the memoirs chapter that the etherious were later known as zeref's demons. So from that I believe they aren't actual demons like the ones in Galuna island, but because of their nature and power people began to call them demons.

 

[Verter]

But we dont know that E.N.D is actually bad guy. Only Mard said so but even Zeref himself confirmed that noone seen him and they found his book by mere chance and used it to create Tartaros. E.N.D form of Natsu might not have personality but just his true powers and i dont think that we will see him in this arc or atleast at the end of the arc because E.N.D's appearence means end of Fairy Tail and i dont think that they would do it. Natsu might got his power up by Serena's power and finally will stay as a Dragon Slayer same goes for Wendy and other slayers. I mean there is 7 dragon slayers left and he got 8 slayer magic. I dont think that is just mere luck. 7 for other slayers and 1 for God serena or someone else. Even Jura might get 1 and became 8th slayer.

What about Atlas Flame ? He said he remember E.N.D. as vilest demon from all created by Zeref.

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And Acno (likely) & Silver aim him not without any reason. It's oblivious.

 

[azat501]

What about Atlas Flame ? He said he remember E.N.D. as vilest demon from all created by Zeref.

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And Acno (likely) & Silver aim him not without any reason. It's oblivious.

No my friend. Atlas flame said "The strongest and vilest of demons born from the book of Zeref END."

He meant other demons created by book of END not END itself.

 

[Verter]

No my friend. Atlas flame said "The strongest and vilest of demons born from the book of Zeref END."

He meant other demons created by book of END not END itself.

Hm.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/353/13

I remember.. I remember it all.. the most vile dark magic from the book of Zeref.. E.N.D.

 

[azat501]

Hm.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/353/13

I remember.. I remember it all.. the most vile dark magic from the book of Zeref.. E.N.D.

And Zeref himsel exlained why Igneel couldnt destroy E.N.D becuse he loved him. And it might be translation mistake, i took mine from horriblesubs translation and it made sense.

 

[kaizen07]

And Zeref himsel exlained why Igneel couldnt destroy E.N.D becuse he loved him. And it might be translation mistake, i took mine from horriblesubs translation and it made sense.

The translation is correct. Here's the raw.

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倒せかなかった。。。物理的にじゃない。。。愛情があったから　倒せなかった
He couldn't defeat you... It wasn't physical... He couldn't do it because he loved you.

 

[Verter]

Plain logic. If he was good then no reason for destroy him.
If there was an idea to destroy him..

Well. it's my point of view. And I don't think may forget words both Atlas flame and Mard Geer only because Zeref said something a few another. He's absolute evil after all. So he should be Machiavellist xD

 

[azat501]

Plain logic. If he was good then no reason for destroy him.
If there was an idea to destroy him..

Well. it's my point of view. And I don't think may forget words both Atlas flame and Mard Geer only because Zeref said something a few another. He's absolute evil after all. So he should be Machiavellist xD

Not many people seen E.N.D., not even Atlas Flame seen E.N.D or else he would remember when he see Natsu. I think why even Natsu himsel doesnt remember who E.N.D is because of Eclips Gate. They stayed there too long but none of them remembers it. They might be under effect of some kind of memory magic. And Natsu's power is sealed in his book and he never been evil but great source of power that could create life and we will eventualy see him got his power back at the face of biggest enemy. As i said, he could still got power up from Serena's magic and i think that is why they gave Serena 8 lacrima. Earth might go for Jura, Water might be for Juvia, Wind fo Wendy and we didnt see others but i am sure it will be one of the good guys element and eventualy used to power up them. But mine is only fan theory, cannot wait to see what they are planning for future of series.

 

[FirenX]

Not many people seen E.N.D., not even Atlas Flame seen E.N.D or else he would remember when he see Natsu. I think why even Natsu himsel doesnt remember who E.N.D is because of Eclips Gate. They stayed there too long but none of them remembers it. They might be under effect of some kind of memory magic. And Natsu's power is sealed in his book and he never been evil but great source of power that could create life and we will eventualy see him got his power back at the face of biggest enemy. As i said, he could still got power up from Serena's magic and i think that is why they gave Serena 8 lacrima. Earth might go for Jura, Water might be for Juvia, Wind fo Wendy and we didnt see others but i am sure it will be one of the good guys element and eventualy used to power up them. But mine is only fan theory, cannot wait to see what they are planning for future of series.

At the Dragon's Return after the Battle with Tartarus, when Sting asked why Weisslogia and Skiadrum could still be alive, when Sting and Rogue both had the clear Memory of having slayed their Foster Parents, it was stated by Weisslogia, that they "made them believe" that this happened and therefore the Results of what happened when they actually did so and that there was some Memory-Alteration by their Dragon's against their Foster Children even when Igneel was against it.

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/415/7

 

[Sakashi]

I've been thinking a lot these days about Acnologia and Anna Heartfilia and how they are connected to each other..

Acnologia and Anna Heartfilia looks like the back in the day verison of Natsu and Lucy..but it's a bit hard to still think that they are connected in a romantic way because there is no proof. We haven't been told of Acnologias background story yet..

After some days..I came up with a sick theory and if this theory is true than it's going to be the best theory so far. WHAT IF E.N.D and Anna Heartfilia loved each other 400 years ago? And now..Natsu and Lucy loves each other...:OOOO

 

[azat501]

I've been thinking a lot these days about Acnologia and Anna Heartfilia and how they are connected to each other..

Acnologia and Anna Heartfilia looks like the back in the day verison of Natsu and Lucy..but it's a bit hard to still think that they are connected in a romantic way because there is no proof. We haven't been told of Acnologias background story yet..

After some days..I came up with a sick theory and if this theory is true than it's going to be the best theory so far. WHAT IF E.N.D and Anna Heartfilia loved each other 400 years ago? And now..Natsu and Lucy loves each other...:OOOO

But END was child but not grown up man. I mean they even showed us his training days with Igneel and he was still child. Only connection between Anna and Lucy i can come up is, Anna send them future and her grand grand grad ... granddaughter falls in love with Natsu. In short, Anna aranged their relationship unkowingly

 

[DarkSoulz]

This whole theory is based mainly on chapter 465, when Zeref reveals everything to Natsu. So after Zeref revealed everything he threw the book of end and stabbed it with his magic. On the page he stabs the book you will notice Natsu immediantly in pain and he touches his chest around his heart area where the pain is. At the end of the chapterZ eref says his goodbye to Natsu in his own mind. A couple chapters later Natsu is half dead with a tumor.

So here is my theory.

What if Zeref stabbed the book to awaken END? If you think about it after the stab Happy bought back Natsu to FT literally half dead with a tumor that he never showed any signs of having before. What are the chances of this happening now of all times? Can't be just a coincidence that happened at this paticular moment can it? So I tried to find something to convince me that its's not a coincidence, so after re-reading the chapter again (465) one particular sentence from Zeref stood out to me which was when at the end he says goodbye to Natsu in his own mind. He says "You can't stop be anymore... Goodbye, Natsu (Awaken END)". Joking aside doesn't this goodbye sound like one of those forever goodbyes the type just before someone dies.

Also to support my theory think about the situation Zeref was in, Zeref previously revealed only Natsu and END can kill him so from his point of view if Natsu failed to kill him, isn't it time to awaken END. And I believe thats exactly what he did when he stabbed the book of end. Like i said at the start the book of end had a cross where it was stabbed, maybe he needed to stab there to awaked end, the cross looks like an "aim here" sign lol and thats exactly where zeref stabbed it.

Now I know END hasn't awoken yet, but for now lets just say END's "trigger" has been activated and will awaken really soon, which could be the real reason for Natsus current and sudden condition, the tumour could be some kind of side effect or Porlyusica could be wrong and he never had a tumor, END is probably taking over his body or something as we still don't know exactly what END is, it could a transformation for all we know. And Brandish interfering by minimizing could have slowed the proccess down but who knows, maybe the next time Natsu awakend it won't be him but rather END.

What do you think? Am I over thinking things or could this or something simikar to this be true.

EDIT: Btw there will be a big "told you so" in the near future if you all disagree with this theory but it turns out true

 

[Sakashi]

But END was child but not grown up man. I mean they even showed us his training days with Igneel and he was still child. Only connection between Anna and Lucy i can come up is, Anna send them future and her grand grand grad ... granddaughter falls in love with Natsu. In short, Anna aranged their relationship unkowingly

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Curse

''Many such hundreds of years ago. The one magic developed into many different kinds of magic, however during that period of the development and expansion. E.N.D discovered a different route that Magic could take and thus created Curses''

He has not always been a child. Before Zeref created Etherious Natsu Dragneel, E.N.D had a body of his own and that's where my theory comes in. I think that E.N.D loved Anna 400 years ago.

 

[azat501]

http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Curse

''Many such hundreds of years ago. The one magic developed into many different kinds of magic, however during that period of the development and expansion. E.N.D discovered a different route that Magic could take and thus created Curses''

He has not always been a child. Before Zeref created Etherious Natsu Dragneel, E.N.D had a body of his own and that's where my theory comes in. I think that E.N.D loved Anna 400 years ago.

You missed some critical point my friend. All other Demons created by Zeref didnt have bodies, they were simply created from nothing but E.N.D's difference is his human body and it was Natsu. This difference made him strongest demon created by Zeref, Zeref himself told us that. We all read ever chapter of this manga since day 1 so we all know some details but not all of them. We are still dark about many things and i hope we are gonna see that parts. His power doesnt make him grow old or young, they never mention about something like that. Zeref created E.N.D and sealed his power on the book(I think because his body wasnt strong enough for his powers and that is why he let Igneel to train him so he can wield his true powers and Igneel is flame element as well, perfect match) and wait for him to get strong.