Discussion Spriggan 12 General Thread

[Takuan]

I don't think I've done this, though I think most of you guys will know my thoughts:

Most Hyped Spriggan

1) August: I can't wait to see what happens with August, he's been hyped as knowing more magic that Zeref, casually put Brandish to sleep and let off that massive nuke. And he still has more to show, the hype is real.
2) Irene: As much as I dislike Irene I have to give her credit, she got praise from Acnologia and reshaped Fiore. Pretty impressive, can't wait to see more.
3) Lacarde: This may seem like a strange choice but we've seen Irene's and August's magic before we've seen a clear image of this guy, there has to be a reason. I'm expecting something pretty cool, I'm hyped for this guy.

Most Epic Design

1) Bradman: While he looks epic in his regular form, it's his "Third Seal" form that gets the award, that thing is so beastly but so simple, it looks like a pure black fire with white eyes, this is what a true demon looks like.
2) DiMaria: I don't actually know what particularly makes me like her design tbh, I think it's got the right amount of armour and elegance while still retaining it's simplicity, plus it looks regal.
3) Wahl: I love machines so Wahl was a shoe in, he has just the right balance of crazy in his design, especially his smile. His assault mode is pretty interesting too.

Most Disappointing Spriggans

1) Neinhart: He was only disappointing for one reason IMO, he was against Erza and Jellal, the dude was screwed the second they got there. I actually really liked him when they first arrived, his magic was unique and he was holding an entire front by himself but the second he started talking about Irene I started to feel disappointed because I realized he was a set up bad guy. Moments after, in true set up bad guy fashion, he was one-shotted.
2) Brandish: She's only disappointing for one reason, she hasn't fought yet. I've been waiting for a while now but nothing. I'm guessing she'll do it later but for now I'm disappointed in her (technically Hiro).
3) Bradman: For one reason, USE YOUR OTHER CURSES! As much as I love Bradman he was a victim of plot, he went from a guild stomping reaper of death to... a guy who gave two Nakama Tail wizards a chance to fight back. I get that he loves fighting but why didn't he just use Macro or Sensation against DF Gajeel? That fight was such a disappointment...

Most Underrated Spriggans

1) Jacob: The guy was screwed by plot, plain and simple. Had Happy not been there he would have transported the whole guild and killed them. Poor guy.
2) Neinhart: While he was disappointing he held the entire Southern front all by himself and was a prick whilst doing so, gotta love the villain who manipulates people whilst fighting them. He was true Sith material.
3) God Serena: This is kind of understandable, his only feat is stomping the GoI + Jura while the GoI's only feat is being stomped by him. It's still damned impressive and underrated as hell but this is understandable compared to Jacob and Neinhart.

Lamest Spriggans

1) Ajeel: So cocky, just unbearable. The difference between him and Neinhart is their overconfidence, one can hold an entire front by himself, the other dares to challenge Laxus when he almost got beat by Erza. I didn't really like his magic either.
2) Neinhart: I don't need to explain myself here, I'd be beating an already beaten, dead horse.
3) Jacob: More about his attitude, I get that it's supposed to be funny/help the plot but... I wasn't a fan.

Coolest Magic

1) Three Seals: Surprised? Seriously though, the descriptions of each seal and that badass transformation were too good.
2) Transport: This was cool, the idea was pretty fresh too though it did make me wonder, what would happen if Jacob could lose in his own dimension?
3) Age Seal: The most hax thing so far, it required the random-est interference in the manga so far just to intervene.

Most Badass Epithet/Title

Magic King - Sometimes the generic title is the best IMO.

A lot of this is different from what i've written, yet i agree with you on pretty much everything. =)

I'd like to know something though.
I like Brandish a lot as i said, and i got disappointed by August because:
1) his hype was so high that just seeing him on a panel, i was like "dang august is here, shit's about to go down". His character alone was so promising, that his battle form was a complete let down, for me. He didn't need that at all, i would have prefered him to fight in his normal appearance.
2) He got stabbed (ok he was caught off guard) AND couldn't heal himself. The King of Magic needed somebody's help to heal him.
3) We saw very very little of what he can do.

Now i know the reason his fight was postponed (or even cancelled) was because he woulda stomped everyone.
We have yet to see his full power; and the same goes for Brandish.

My question is: Why are you impressed by August and disappointed by Brandish?
Whereas i love Brandish and my hype for August diminished a lot?
:P

 

[Ebony Maw]

A lot of this is different from what i've written, yet i agree with you on pretty much everything. =)

I'd like to know something though.
I like Brandish a lot as i said, and i got disappointed by August because:
1) his hype was so high that just seeing him on a panel, i was like "dang august is here, shit's about to go down". His character alone was so promising, that his battle form was a complete let down, for me. He didn't need that at all, i would have prefered him to fight in his normal appearance.
2) He got stabbed (ok he was caught off guard) AND couldn't heal himself. The King of Magic needed somebody's help to heal him.
3) We saw very very little of what he can do.

Now i know the reason his fight was postponed (or even cancelled) was because he woulda stomped everyone.
We have yet to see his full power; and the same goes for Brandish.

My question is: Why are you impressed by August and disappointed by Brandish?
Whereas i love Brandish and my hype for August diminished a lot?
:P

I actually question August not knowing healing magic myself lol and I agree with you about his battle form, I feel he would've looked way more epic had he stayed in his base "Gandalf" form. The main reason I'm more hyped for him though was due to the way he put Brandish to sleep, we know that to do it casually he must be way above her and I can't wait to see that kind of power, Irene didn't deliver like that IMO. Plus that massive nuke looked sweet.

As for why I'm disappointed by Brandish, I phrased that badly, I'm not exactly disappointed I'm just not massively impressed by her because she hasn't had that much time to show off. Her island feat was cool but after that she hasn't really done anything, I'm hoping that's going to change now though.

On a whole I get what you mean about Brandish and August, they're two of my favourites at the moment but August is so Gandalf like that I can't help but love him lol. I also love Brandish though, her design matches her "no f**ks given" personality.

 

[Takuan]

Alright that makes sense =) i just can't disagree. I'm hoping we'll get to see more from both of them real soon

 

[sharkai]

I actually question August not knowing healing magic myself lol and I agree with you about his battle form, I feel he would've looked way more epic had he stayed in his base "Gandalf" form. The main reason I'm more hyped for him though was due to the way he put Brandish to sleep, we know that to do it casually he must be way above her and I can't wait to see that kind of power, Irene didn't deliver like that IMO. Plus that massive nuke looked sweet.

As for why I'm disappointed by Brandish, I phrased that badly, I'm not exactly disappointed I'm just not massively impressed by her because she hasn't had that much time to show off. Her island feat was cool but after that she hasn't really done anything, I'm hoping that's going to change now though.

On a whole I get what you mean about Brandish and August, they're two of my favourites at the moment but August is so Gandalf like that I can't help but love him lol. I also love Brandish though, her design matches her "no f**ks given" personality.

Actually putting brandish to asleep doesn't mean August is above brandish (he is but that isn't a good feat).
Lookup what mest did to brandish 5 seconds ago.

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How can dragon slayers use their nose in a sand storm. Wouldn't it get chocked ?
Also ajeel should be able to control the direction of sand streams in the Storm. Should make any nose useless
Ajeel can turn swords to sand. Can he turn gajeel into sand with same speed?

 

[Ebony Maw]

Actually putting brandish to asleep doesn't mean August is above brandish (he is but that isn't a good feat).
Lookup what mest did to brandish 5 seconds ago.

Putting someone to sleep is a way to show superiority between characters, we've seen Mystogan (put to sleep everyone in the guild bar Makarov and Laxus, both equal or superior to him) and Mira (put Lucy to sleep in the Phantom Lord arc), from those two scenarios we can speculate that putting someone to sleep relies on being more powerful than them. As for Mest, that memory altering only worked on her for a few seconds, which is impressive (for Brandish) considering that he's altered the memories of virtually everyone in the guild, I wouldn't be surprised if the two magics work differently.

 

[reesestl]

I would rank the spriggans by different classes like what others did, so all of these are just my thoughts about them. BTW I'll just post the Top 3 in each category.

Most Hyped Spriggan

1. August - His title "The Magic King" pretty much says for itself. He was hyped to know almost all of the magic that even Zeref who is about 400 years old knows lesser magic than him.
2. Irene - She was hyped to be around August's level and has been stated to be the only wizard who can stand up to August. Moreover, she was the first human mage who was acknowledged by Acnologia, so that adds up to her hype.
3. God Serena - Considering God Serena was once the strongest mage in Ishgar, I thought that he's the second strongest spriggan after August before Irene was introduced.

Most Epic Design

1. God Serena - I really like his design, especially the dharma wheel resemblance on his back. It makes him even look more godly.
2. Irene - At first, my sister and I thought that her design was too complicated but as the time goes on I learned how to fancy her design. She's like a wine while you see her, you even like her more.
3. Wahl/Brandish - These two are tied on the third spot. Honestly I don't like Wahl's base form, but when he transforms to his Assault Mode, he looks so badass. As for Brandish, I like her simple design. It's revealing but she looks so reserved and gorgeous. I remember Boa Hancock when I see her LOL.

Most Disappointing Spriggans

1. Neinhart - He was hyped so much like he's a beast, because he's not a team player and he looks so mysterious before he was introduced. Then it turns out that he's a fodder. Furthermore, I cannot get the fact that he underestimated Wahl and Dimaria, those two are better than him, especially Dimaria.
2. Dimaria - Maybe some of you are asking me why I'm disappointed at her, obviously she has shown better feats than most of the other spriggans. However, I thought that her magic will focus on sword fighting like a regular knight, then we found out that she has an age seal and worse is her God form. I think it would be much cooler if she earned the title of "the war princess" without any magic that are out of her epithet. Like Mihawk style LOL.
3. God Serena - When his face was first shown in chapter 440, he looks so beastly and mysterious, like the person that you shouldn't mess with, then it turns out that he has this cocky, playful attitude, but apart from that I don't have any problem with him.

Most Underrated Spriggans

1. Ajeel - Just because he lost so early doesn't mean he's a fodder. to be honest, I'm more impressed to him than Neinhart and Jacob.
2. Brandish - Many people think that Mashima was serious when Cana knocked her head with a single blow. Like seriously? Do you really think Mashima was serious when he wrote that scene. Obviously he was bluffing and joking around. Try to go back from the panels then you will see what's the difference between SERIOUS and GAG.
3. God Serena - Ajeel's statement about God Serena was too irrelevant because looking on his attitude he seems so cocky and arrogant, insisting that he can destroy the ishgar alone, then we saw what happened to him. Moreover, God serena was able to stomp the GOI with ease.

Lamest Spriggans

1. Invel - I dunno', he doesn't seemed so cool and interesting for me. I thought he was so boring like the serious type of guy, who is so formal and doesn't know how to joke. Actually when I first saw him he looks like the guy from Bleach with eyeglasses. I don't remember his name LOL.
2. Neinhart - His design looks so foolish, adding his arrogance puts him on this list.
3. Jacob - Obvious reasons, but better than Neinhart.

Coolest Magic

1. Age seal - I think the ability to stop time with just the click of your teeth is so cool, you can literally change the world by that, but of course you have to take care of your teeth, because if you lose some then you're fucked up.
2. Mass Manipulation - This magic is so destructive. You can literally alter the matter and topple a country at the same time.
3. 8 Dragon Lacrimas - Obviously this magic isn't that unique like those two above, but I think it is really cool to have multi-lacrimas, and be able to wield almost each type of element.

Most Badass Epithet/Title

1. Country Demolisher - It sounds so beastly, like it can literally kill you in a second.
2. The Winter General - I don't know but it seems so cool for me, especially the word "general" LOL am I weird??
3. The War Princess - When I first heard of it, it actually sounds so formidable. Like a badass knight.

P.S. I didn't include "The Magic King" because it seems so lame and common for me, but of course it sounds mighty.

Very cool post!! agree with a lot of it. wanted to make my own though!

Top-tier Spriggans: There is consensus on this one, August and Eileen.

Most impressive Spriggans:
Eileen, obviously
God Serena, He rocked in his fight against the 4 GOIs. Taken down by Acno can be considered an honor!

Most disappointing Spriggans, Coolest/Most Deadly Magic:
Wahl & AJeel. I think they are disappointing as they lost in spite of having some great magic.
Think about Wahl's range of attack with super long distance cannon. Also he can shoot Etherion Blasts. simple and powerful.
We saw Ajeel's monstrous strength during the chase of group Makarov. Against Erza, he could have killed her so many times. Antpit, Sandworld, the huge sand wave towering over Makarov's Giant, thats some crazy stuff. He can annihilate entire cities in no time. And having all that he got taken down by Jupiter. Really!
Infact, most are disappointing to an extent, as they are supposedly so strong but keep losing for silly reasons. Exceptions are Serena, Bradman, Irene.
I am excluding time magic. The Age Seal is too hax for me. Also, I don't get it fully.
Excluding Nienhart as didn't really have any hope about him to begin with. Disliked his magic at first sight.

Most Underrated Spriggans:No spriggan is underrated. They are all so hyped! Being super strong means shit if u are stupid and keep losing due to silly reasons after having all that power. I don't think Brandish is underrated because though very strong she never really had any will to fight to begin with.

Lamest Spriggans: Nienhart all the way, followed by Jacob. Amusing that the guy who got taken down by Lucy and Happy was planning to go against Acnologia!

Most Badass Epithet: The Crimson Despair. That's the epithet of a Magic Queen!

 

[GodOfDestruction]

Guys I have a big question. How will they defeat August. I can see Irene's downfall but August is said to be able to control all elements of magic. And due to the laws of FT. Any person who can control a specific element is immune to that element. And nearly every character uses some element. So August is nearly invulnerable to magic when you think about it. So how will they take this boss down.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Guys I have a big question. How will they defeat August. I can see Irene's downfall but August is said to be able to control all elements of magic. And due to the laws of FT. Any person who can control a specific element is immune to that element. And nearly every character uses some element. So August is nearly invulnerable to magic when you think about it. So how will they take this boss down.

I wouldn't say that everyone who uses an elemental magic is immune to that element, look at Jura, he controls Earth but was injured by God Serena's Cavern Dragon Slaying magic. This also applies to pre-DeS Gray, he was hurt by Silver's Ice despite the fact he controls Ice (also see Lyon vs Gray).

Even if that is true (which I doubt), there is an immensely powerful mage that doesn't use any element: Gildarts. I'm not saying he's August level (I'd hype him to be in between August tier and Laxus tier). There's also Jellal, his Heavenly Body Magic doesn't just rely on light.

 

[Eisenfaust]

Spriggan Tier lvl.

God Tier:
August
Irene
Invel
>>>
High Tier:
God Serena
Lacarde

>>
Middle Tier:
Dimaria
Ajeel
Jacob
Wahl
Brandish
>
Low Tier:
Neinhart
Bradman

 

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Spriggan Tier lvl.

God Tier:
August
Irene
Invel
>>>
High Tier:
God Serena
Lacarde

>>
Middle Tier:
Dimaria
Ajeel
Jacob
Wahl
Brandish
>
Low Tier:
Neinhart
Bradman

WOAH WOAH are you serious?! Bradman low tier and Dimaria in middle? How? The former has way too many hax at his disposal and not many can hit him due to his particle weakness. If you're going to say Gajeel defeated him remember Gajeel was a complete counter to Bradman. And Dimaria can literally stop time! I also don't get why GS is that high but I can understand Larcade due to his hype and plot relevance.

Why is Invel so high? He has no feats, little hype and we don't have much info on his abilities.

 

[Eisenfaust]

WOAH WOAH are you serious?! Bradman low tier and Dimaria in middle? How? The former has way too many hax at his disposal and not many can hit him due to his particle weakness. If you're going to say Gajeel defeated him remember Gajeel was a complete counter to Bradman. And Dimaria can literally stop time! I also don't get why GS is that high but I can understand Larcade due to his hype and plot relevance.

Why is Invel so high? He has no feats, little hype and we don't have much info on his abilities.

Dimaria win the fight in South but Ultear is too much hax conter her power.
I think she show best hax in south.
Bradman was very fail,he get easily beaten by Gajeel.
God Serena is one from strongest Spriggan he beat very easy all Wizard saints.
And Invel have very much hype because he is Zeref Vice.

 

[Ebony Maw]

WOAH WOAH are you serious?! Bradman low tier and Dimaria in middle? How? The former has way too many hax at his disposal and not many can hit him due to his particle weakness. If you're going to say Gajeel defeated him remember Gajeel was a complete counter to Bradman. And Dimaria can literally stop time! I also don't get why GS is that high but I can understand Larcade due to his hype and plot relevance.

Why is Invel so high? He has no feats, little hype and we don't have much info on his abilities.

And Bradman still wasted him, had Levy not been there the Second Seal would've killed him. It's actually for this reason that Bradman is so high on my list, he went up against his two counters (Gajeel's iron lungs, Levy creating Holy magic) and yet he trashed them to the point where a plot hole saved them (Levy surviving that long even though it killed plenty of people when Bradman hadn't entered/used his Second Seal).

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Dimaria win the fight in South but Ultear is too much hax conter her power.
I think she show best hax in south.
Bradman was very fail,he get easily beaten by Gajeel.
God Serena is one from strongest Spriggan he beat very easy all Wizard saints.
And Invel have very much hype because he is Zeref Vice.

The only reason he could hit Bradman was because he absorbed the MPB's, regular Gajeel was getting mauled. Any other person would have died much sooner.

 

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And Bradman still wasted him, had Levy not been there the Second Seal would've killed him. It's actually for this reason that Bradman is so high on my list, he went up against his two counters (Gajeel's iron lungs, Levy creating Holy magic) and yet he trashed them to the point where a plot hole saved them (Levy surviving that long even though it killed plenty of people when Bradman hadn't entered/used his Second Seal).

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The only reason he could hit Bradman was because he absorbed the MPB's, regular Gajeel was getting mauled. Any other person would have died much sooner.

Not just a plot hole but major power up on Gajeels part too.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

WOAH WOAH are you serious?! Bradman low tier and Dimaria in middle? How? The former has way too many hax at his disposal and not many can hit him due to his particle weakness. If you're going to say Gajeel defeated him remember Gajeel was a complete counter to Bradman. And Dimaria can literally stop time! I also don't get why GS is that high but I can understand Larcade due to his hype and plot relevance.

Why is Invel so high? He has no feats, little hype and we don't have much info on his abilities.

Isn't anyone who fights Gray hyped the less. Then they become incredibly powerful.

 

[Doughboy]

I can't find my other post but all the 12s have been revealed so:

1. God Serena
2. Bradman
3. Jacob (early design)
4. Larcade
5. DiMaria
6. Ajeel
7. August
8. Irene (hair locks)
9. Neinhart (pony tail, armor)
10. Invel
11. Wahl (proxy)
12. Brandish

My take on them, you can tell who were the firstly introduced ones who weren't. Vol 52 tells you that. Irene, Larcade, Neinhart, Jacob, Bradman all were mostly created later

 

[GodOfDestruction]

I can't find my other post but all the 12s have been revealed so:

1. God Serena
2. Bradman
3. Jacob (early design)
4. Larcade
5. DiMaria
6. Ajeel
7. August
8. Irene (hair locks)
9. Neinhart (pony tail, armor)
10. Invel
11. Wahl (proxy)
12. Brandish

My take on them, you can tell who were the firstly introduced ones who weren't. Vol 52 tells you that. Irene, Larcade, Neinhart, Jacob, Bradman all were mostly created later

Number 8 is Irene. I think that's more number 2

 

[Alvarez Princess]

Isn't anyone who fights Gray hyped the less. Then they become incredibly powerful.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? o.o

 

[GodOfDestruction]

I'm not sure what you mean by this? o.o

Every person Gray is supposed to fight never has anything to them until their past is revealed

 

[Arjuna]

I think the elements God Serena can use are the 8 magic elements shows in RAVE:
Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Thunder, Light, Darkness and Ocean.

He already show having Cavern (Earth), Purgatory (Fire), Gale (Wind) and Neptune (Water/Ocean), so I guess the other four would be Thunder, Light, Darkness and Ocean/Water.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

I think the elements God Serena can use are the 8 magic elements shows in RAVE:
Earth, Water, Fire, Wind, Thunder, Light, Darkness and Ocean.

He already show having Cavern (Earth), Purgatory (Fire), Gale (Wind) and Neptune (Water/Ocean), so I guess the other four would be Thunder, Light, Darkness and Ocean/Water.

What about Aether and Nether