Discussion Lucy's Star Dress

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She summoned 6 spirits and maintained them for a period of time(7 if we count in when they arrived on cube and fought the soldiers,she summoned Loke).
So it was 0. Loke 1.Aries 2.Taurus - getting her magic power drained by Franmalth -3.Saggitarius 4.Vrigo 5.Loke 6.Aquarius

Aquarious is Lucy's most powerful spirit not Loke. Leo was able to partialy block which left Torafuza suprised and even managed to exchange blows with him.
What's the problem with the Aquarious power-up? Nearly every one of them got a power-up that arc and Erza won just because she's Erza.
The 9DG were seriously strong.Natsu lost vs Silver in less than a few seconds and would have lost against Franmalth if Lucy didn't trick him.
Wrong, Loke is her strongest spirit, Aquarius comes second (she claimed Aquarius was her strongest one when she didn't have Loke).
And yeah, it's quite some feat to summon 6 spirits in one day, but what counts is the keys that she can have simultaneously open, which was 3 (heavily trying) back in Tartaros.

There's no problem about the Aquarius poewr-up, I was just discussing Base Lucy back in the Tartaros arc.
 

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Not according to the 1st page of the next chapter http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/384 (top left corner)
Even when she fought with Angel she claimed Aquaruius as her strongest spirit and Leo as a trumph card.

On-topic.The Star dress ability is amazing,she gains stats boost depending on the dress she chooses and gains acces to the spirits magic.It's awesome.
 

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Wrong, Loke is her strongest spirit, Aquarius comes second (she claimed Aquarius was her strongest one when she didn't have Loke).
And yeah, it's quite some feat to summon 6 spirits in one day, but what counts is the keys that she can have simultaneously open, which was 3 (heavily trying) back in Tartaros.

There's no problem about the Aquarius poewr-up, I was just discussing Base Lucy back in the Tartaros arc.
No Aquarius is her strongest. Celestial Spirit Magic is based on bonds and trust and Lucy shares that the most with her than compared to her other spirits. And she did said that even while having Loke if you go to that colored cover chapter 384 of where she calls Aquarius her most powerful ally
 

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Leo is the leader of the 12 Golden Zodiac Keys. I don't know if that directly implies he's stronger than Aquarius but I always thought of him as such.

No Aquarius is her strongest. Celestial Spirit Magic is based on bonds and trust and Lucy shares that the most with her than compared to her other spirits. And she did said that even while having Loke if you go to that colored cover chapter 384 of where she calls Aquarius her most powerful ally
While that may be true, every spirit has their own stats. For example, Aquarius':

Stamina: 250 Offense: 388 Defense: 275 Summon: 100

Taurus':

Stamina: 160 Offense: 200 Defense: 154 Summon: 52

Unfortunately, we don't know Leo's.
 

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Leo is the leader of the 12 Golden Zodiac Keys. I don't know if that directly implies he's stronger than Aquarius but I always thought of him as such.



While that may be true, every spirit has their own stats. For example, Aquarius':

Stamina: 250 Offense: 388 Defense: 275 Summon: 100

Taurus':

Stamina: 160 Offense: 200 Defense: 154 Summon: 52

Unfortunately, we don't know Leo's.
I know all that and I feel it does imply he is to be the strongest of the 12 but Aquarius does seems to be more powerful than he is because of the bond she shares with Lucy the most than compared to him and the other spirits which is one of the 2 ways to how a Celestial Spirit are strong. Other reason is based on Lucy's magical level, the more it increases the stronger they'll become.
 

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I know all that and I feel it does imply he is to be the strongest of the 12 but Aquarius does seems to be more powerful than he is because of the bond she shares with Lucy the most than compared to him and the other spirits which is one of the 2 ways to how a Celestial Spirit are strong. Other reason is based on Lucy's magical level, the more it increases the stronger they'll become.
I guess it is up to interpretation whether Leo or Aquarius is stronger, as well as the "bond" thing, since I feel like Leo has a very strong bond with Lucy, even more than Aquarius. Aquarius always hated and misstreated Lucy and then all of a sudden she was portrayed as her best friend.

And the fact that Lucy considers Aquarius her "strongest friend" (not her strongest spirit) is also somewhat debatable, since Erza is her friend too, and is stronger than Aquarius; which may mean that she holds Aquarius very dearly, more than she's stronger than Leo or Erza or whatever ^^

Just my opinion here.
 

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I know all that and I feel it does imply he is to be the strongest of the 12 but Aquarius does seems to be more powerful than he is because of the bond she shares with Lucy the most than compared to him and the other spirits which is one of the 2 ways to how a Celestial Spirit are strong. Other reason is based on Lucy's magical level, the more it increases the stronger they'll become.
I guess it is up to interpretation whether Leo or Aquarius is stronger, as well as the "bond" thing, since I feel like Leo has a very strong bond with Lucy, even more than Aquarius. Aquarius always hated and misstreated Lucy and then all of a sudden she was portrayed as her best friend.

And the fact that Lucy considers Aquarius her "strongest friend" (not her strongest spirit) is also somewhat debatable, since Erza is her friend too, and is stronger than Aquarius; which may mean that she holds Aquarius very dearly, more than she's stronger than Leo or Erza or whatever ^^

Just my opinion here.
Aquarius is her strongest spirit,this isn't even debatable.
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/143/18
 

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It's not the fact that she considers Aquarius "her strongest" and Loki "her trumph card". It's how she says it. "That was my strongest spirit (meaning Aquarius)". "No, wait, that's not quite true (as in, I was wrong, she is not, I have one more of equal or more power than her)". So, yes, it is up to interpretation.
 

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It's not the fact that she considers Aquarius "her strongest" and Loki "her trumph card". It's how she says it. "That was my strongest spirit (meaning Aquarius)". "No, wait, that's not quite true (as in, I was wrong, she is not, I have one more of equal or more power than her)". So, yes, it is up to interpretation.
Well,we gotta agree to disagree.Deal?
 

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I wouldn't really say Loki is the strongest out of the 12. But being the strongest doesn't make you a good leader no would being weaker make you a bad leader, Loki role as leader doesn't automatically make him the strongest.

But I would say he's the most versatile out of the 12 spirits because of his ability to fight on all terrain, something Aquarius can't do.
 

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Loke being the head spirit and at
Combative spirit makes Leo star dress being copied off of Reina's dress from rave master subpar compared to the themes of the other star dresses. The only thing I can think of is Mashima had two suits - Capricorn and Loke. He decided to give the suit to Capricorn since Capricorn is an expert at martial arts and the more elegant dress to Loke.
 

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Loke being the head spirit and at
Combative spirit makes Leo star dress being copied off of Reina's dress from rave master subpar compared to the themes of the other star dresses. The only thing I can think of is Mashima had two suits - Capricorn and Loke. He decided to give the suit to Capricorn since Capricorn is an expert at martial arts and the more elegant dress to Loke.
I hope Capricorn stardress is a suit top with a mini skirt and some badass sunglasses.
 

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I feel like Lucy's trump card would be Gemini/Gemini stardress. With her power upgrade she should be able to copy more mages, copy them for longer periods of time and copy stronger mages. Thus this dress should give her power and variety. By feats she should be able to copy mages like Mirajane atleast.

Mirajane magical power dries up water:

Lucy's magic power dries up water:

If we were to believe Hiro and Lucy when they said the stronger Lucy becomes so do her spirits. Then around x791 she would atleast be 6x-10x stronger than she was in x784. So Gemini should be able to copy around 12-20 different people and hold their transformation for around 30-50 minutes. Rather Hiro would have been consistent with this or not is neither here nor there but by logic Gemini should be Lucy's trump card.

Based off how I would rank them based on what powers they should posses I would say:

1. Gemini Stardress: A versatile Dress with the ability to copy others magics, appearances and minds. The dress would off her the greatest range of power.

2. Capricorn Stardress: Human Subordination is a powerful ability to allow the user to weaken their opponents power and even enslave them. Even if faced with a non human the merge technique could prove very useful if say facing off against a powerful Beast. Although people go back and forth as to rather this was solely Zoldeo magic or both I lend towards both. Since Leo know about Capricorn possessing Human Subordination before he even found out Zoldeo was possessing Capricorn. This means Capricorn had to have had dealings with this magic before he came into Zoldeo's hands as that was the last time Leo saw him.

3. Aquarius Stardress: Has the ability to manipulate huge amounts of water and even manipulate huge chunks of earth turning them into a liquid form. Also has a powerful water barrier able to block powerful nukes.

4. Sagittarius: Has a high attack power among all the Star dresses. Long range combat and can target multiple targets at once.

5. Scorpio Star Dress: Has the ability to manipulate huge quantities of sand and offers Lucy limited flight.

6. Taurus Star dress: An immensely physically strong Stardress. Would be great for CQC.

7. Cancer Stardress: Deadly scissors make for a great close combat dress.

8. Virgo Stardress: Great for stealth and speed. Offers her the ability to trap and attack her opponents from underneath.

9. Leo Stardress: Among all her CQC dresses this does off her the highest attack power with Regulas but the design and her lack of training greatly hinders the effectiveness of the dress.

10. Aries Stardress: Whilst a beautiful form it lacks any real offensive abilities. Although good for certain defensive power.

If we include the possibility of Silver key Stardress than Horologium would be 11 given it's non offensive abilities but extremely high defensive capabilities. Crux would be number 1 givens it's vast knowledge and ability to download info. Could easily allow Lucy access to uber Celestial spells and different types of magic used by the Spirits themselves such as Copy magic, water magic, light magic, etc.
 

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I'm hoping that Lucy has sought a way to improve her spirits and her Star Dress.
I believe that this is the arc for Hiro to treat the spirits in a different, more professional way and without the conic content.
 

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Most likely the most possible outcome would have to be more spirits summoned + more opportunities for unison raid
But it would be great if lucy at least had Libra, Pisces, and Ophiuchus' "tattoos" so that she can at least use their dresses. She can be treated after all as the "strongest celestial mage" in the continent at least.

She should also be able to use the silver keys as star dress

Another outcome would be more spirits, be it an encounter or a fusion of the keys.

There is also what I've said before, the dress and the spirit should have one signature move (for both offensive and defensive) and one passive skill.

Lastly, CSK stardress for last three arcs?
 

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My main issue with Hiro Mashima when it comes to the way he handles Lucy's magic is that he doesn't utilize it to its best ability like he does Dragon Slayer magic. He sticks to showing off the same spirits and when we do see some underutilized spirits we see them for like 1 panel then they disappear. I feel like the most underused Spirits in Lucy's possession is Crux and Gemini. With Crux she should be a master Celestial Spirit mage knowing darn near everything concerning the magic. Beyond that with the spirits(Assuming since Leo did it) ability to transfer power, if Gemini transfer a bit of his transformation power and copying power to the spirits they should without a doubt be more powerful. Even with partial mimic like what the Raven tail dude had. For Example:


Leo: Mimic Sting Light Dragon Slayer and Makarov magic.
Virgo: Mimic Jura Earth magic, Hoteye Earth magic, Warrod Earth Magic and Cosmos Plant summoning Magic
Taurus: Mimic Bacchus Palm Magic, Elfman Takeover and Orga Lighting God Slayer
Sagittarius: Mimic Bisca and Alzack Gun Requip Magic with Jacobs Stealth Magic.
Scorpio: Mimic Azir Sand Magic, Cobra Poison Magic and Uosuke Terrain Ability
Aries: Mimic Kamika paper magic, Chelia's Wind Magic, Wendy enchantment magic, Mary Virus Magic and Sherry Doll play
Cancer: Mimic Erza's Knight Requip, Jermone Sword, and Kagura's Magic
Capricorn: Mimic Jellal's Heavenly Magic, Hikibi's Archive and Rufus Memory Magic

Now I am not saying be able to fully copy them just their powers. Like the dude from Raven Tail.

As far as Lucy Stardress is Concerned I think Hiro should just create 1 Stardress that incorporates all 13 Zodiac Spirits. The 10 Stardresses she currently have combined with the Libra, Pisces and Ophiuchus keys she could get from using Gemini power to copy Yukino Keys as Gemini did with Lucy during the OS arc. This way all her powers are in one form and she gets a huge boost in Magical power.


With the Spirit King Stardress she could easily incorporate the same technique used to summon him by simply destroying one of her Stardress to be used as a gate to the CSK thus allowing her a 1 time use of the Spirit King Stardress.



So many different things Hiro could have done with Lucy's magic but he never really does it.
 

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After this chapter, or makes me wonder if she can use Aquarius Star Dress permanently based on when she said "a little power". My understanding is when she broke the key, CSK gave her Aquarius's powers because she could not be summoned and Lucy was rewarded with them. If Aquarius is reincarnated, would that mean she could only summon the Star Dress like the rest of the keys?
 
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