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Gray never used his trump card wtf ? He's only going to use this against end(full power) or if he fights zeref with natsu.
Yes, both of them went through trauma to cause that state of mind in both of them, Gray got his darkness and Natsu began to start transforming into E.N.D (and was continuing to transform throughout that fight). Yes, Gray had pushed him back a bit at one point, but to me it looked like before Erza intervened, Natsu was starting to gain the upper hand as he transformed more, and I think that is a reasonable assertion to make seeing his attacks were clearly getting stronger too while he brushed off Gray's attacks.You act as if Natsu isn't running off a big PoF boost either. Gray would've taken out Natsu if he ended up using his trump card. Gray also brushed off Natsu's attacks fairly easily and pushed him back, he even made him eat dirt in the ground. Gray also overpowered Natsu during their exchange.
Typical underestimation of Gray and overestimation of Natsu by Samuel. What fight where you watching? Why make baseless assumptions that Gray couldn't go toe to toe and that he was overpowered if he didn't have POF? I can easily suggest that Gray dominated Natsu in spurts. His best feat in this arc is against END. That is fact.
Gray didn't use his trump card. He was using devil slaying magic. Explain why he didn't have the tattoo when he was using DeS in the avatar? Simple solution: It was a plot hole.
Read the damn fight again, because they were portrayed to be equals, and your BS excuses aint gonna fly with here unless they are rabid die hard Natsu fanboys.
Difference is Gray is a main character and so devil slayers will play a vital role for a powerup as opposed to god slayers.
Darkness isn't even a thing? Let me show you the official kodansha translations of 498 that crunchyroll hosts.People calling "Darkness" a PoF power-up while "Darkness" isn't even a thing right now.
Speaking of PoF, did people forget how Natsu activated his E.N.D. form exactly?
Darkness is a thing, but it isn't a thing at this very moment. Unless you can show me where it's stated that his Darkness got activated when Juvia "died". It was obvious just his hatred for Invel that came into play at that very moment, it had nothing to do with a magical power-up. You can't deny that you're using unfair assumptions towards Gray here, again.Darkness isn't even a thing? Let me show you the official kodansha translations of 498 that crunchyroll hosts.
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There's your darkness right that, Invel said it was on the verge of releasing in Gray and it released when Juvia "died". It's what powered him up enough to defeat Invel and kept him fighting against the transforming Natsu while his wound had re-opened and he was bleeding out (check Chapter 504, Gray is clearly bleeding from his wound again).
Well if this were a fortnight ago I would have dismissed the idea of Gray fighting against Acnologia. But now, I don't think it's out of the question.I'd like to hear your opinions on this guys...
After the recent chapters I cannot help but wonder how the hell Gray will play in the Acnologia fight (which will supposedly happen in a different arc). Compared to the other team Natsu members, he is really distant and disconnected to this story line for playing a main role in it.
Natsu: he's END, he's a Dragon Slayer and Plotsu
Wendy: she's a DS.
Lucy: main character + Nalu angst
Erza: she was really out of this too but Irene Belserion happened. She will gain dragon powers for sure.
Gray's story is definitely wrapping up since by the end of this arc he will eventually come to terms with END and I'd say Zeref too.
It's obvious that he will be there when this Acno fight happens but how? Other than Tenroujima he hasn't a strong connection to him like the others... so, idk, I am curious to see what Mashima will do with Gray after this arc.
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That's the probleme i have currently..i don't see how gray is going to fit in the acnologia's fight..i mean he has no relation with dragons at all..so him fighting acno would be weird..imo his biggest role is going to be against zerefWell if this were a fortnight ago I would have dismissed the idea of Gray fighting against Acnologia. But now, I don't think it's out of the question.
Lucy has the Anna relation, as well as potential power ups with One Magic (if this is a thing, speculation at this point). Erza is well, Erza. So why can't Gray get a shot?
Outside of Zeref+FH, only dragon slayers should fight Acnologia. The powerful humans shouldn't stand a chance, even someone like August. So unless we can see Gray getting that strong, how can we speculate he will have a role v Acno?
Crack theory
I would be extremely disappointed if Irene can enchant everyone and anyone with DS magic, so that everyone can fight Acnologia. Well she doesn't have dragons to 'give power' though - so she shouldn't be able to give people DSM. BUT, there is a possibility with God Serena's 8 lacrima. IF August took them, then possibly Irene could enchant them onto certain wizards. Gray would be one of them.
Crack theory 2
Gray's DeS magic allows him to absorb all of END's curse power, making Gray immensely powerful. Enough at least to be relevant in the fight. Maybe he becomes the fire and ice demon
That's the best I can do for now.
I agree with that for sure. It just doesn't feel right.That's the probleme i have currently..i don't see how gray is going to fit in the acnologia's fight..i mean he has no relation with dragons at all..so him fighting acno would be weird..imo his biggest role is going to be against zeref
Exactly zeref is the perfect final vilain for gray to me..i mean because of him deliora killed gray's family..so i don't want him to be against acnologia..I agree with that for sure. It just doesn't feel right.
I think Zeref or END is the best place for Gray. Hopefully it's Zeref, and the END stuff is resolved without a fight. If Gray has a big hand in taking down Zeref, and is ruled out of the fight with Acnologia, I think we could live with that.
That's a really good point, since etherious come from Zeref, then Zeref should really be Gray's target (not END). He would have to overcome that demon thirst though, like through willpower.Exactly zeref is the perfect final vilain for gray to me..i mean because of him deliora killed gray's family..so i don't want him to be against acnologia..
Yes you're right, zeref should really be gray's only target now..i mean end is not evil(at least currently)..That's a really good point, since etherious come from Zeref, then Zeref should really be Gray's target (not END). He would have to overcome that demon thirst though, like through willpower.
Zeref still needs more than Gray alone to stop him. And there's Mavis' plan to defeat Zeref. They will also need to solve how they defeat Zeref without killing Natsu. So a lot is going to happen here, but right now I like Gray to be a main player vs Zeref.
Yeah exactly. The fact is that I don't see Gray not being relevant in this supposed act, so Mashima has to do something to at least connect him with the plot.Well if this were a fortnight ago I would have dismissed the idea of Gray fighting against Acnologia. But now, I don't think it's out of the question.
Lucy has the Anna relation, as well as potential power ups with One Magic (if this is a thing, speculation at this point). Erza is well, Erza. So why can't Gray get a shot?
Outside of Zeref+FH, only dragon slayers should fight Acnologia. The powerful humans shouldn't stand a chance, even someone like August. So unless we can see Gray getting that strong, how can we speculate he will have a role v Acno?
Crack theory
I would be extremely disappointed if Irene can enchant everyone and anyone with DS magic, so that everyone can fight Acnologia. Well she doesn't have dragons to 'give power' though - so she shouldn't be able to give people DSM. BUT, there is a possibility with God Serena's 8 lacrima. IF August took them, then possibly Irene could enchant them onto certain wizards. Gray would be one of them.
Crack theory 2
Gray's DeS magic allows him to absorb all of END's curse power, making Gray immensely powerful. Enough at least to be relevant in the fight. Maybe he becomes the fire and ice demon
That's the best I can do for now.
Yes and if you're right that would mean that gray is the only one with end and mavis that can kill zerefI agree with the sentiment that Gray should ultimately fight against Zeref. Something I haven't seen anyone mention is that during the Zeref and Natsu fight, Zeref said power gained from the dead had the ability to kill him, and wouldn't Gray's power he got from Silver count as the "power of the dead"?
What i can say about Gray in the Alvarez arc so far is this: huuuge disappointment
Zeref is
1) the one who is to blame for all the tragedies Gray had to face because he created the demons
2) the one who is the instigator of the current war and the leader of the opposing side which makes him a danger to all of Gray's nakama
END
1) is Gray's best friend
2) just happens to be one of Zeref's creations
3) never did anything that hurt Gray or his "loved ones"
So what does Gray do? He intercepts Natsu/END and engages in a fight to the death with him instead of going after Zeref which means
1) he stops Natsu/END from potentially killing Zeref, his true enemy
2) he endangers all of his nakama because this war could end if Zeref dies and his nakama would be saved
3) he weakens himself and Natsu by fighting which gives their opponents even more of an advantage
Gray's actions in this arc were really retarded and made him drop really far in my favourite rankings. Hopefully he will make up for it.