Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Mr.Fujimaster]

YES
It's good to know that it will have 51 episodes, I was looking forward to an anime long runner without being Dragon Ball Super or One Piece.
I hope it does not have too many fillers and they also adapt Black Clover's first Light Novel.

 

[TyVip]

we twin star now bois and girls.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Man, there are so many series that would flop hard if the publishers decided to believe on "public" buzz. A dozen of people asks for Jojo(!), but only a small part of them would buy the series even if they like it, so it would flop because the majority of the readers don't give a damn. XD

I hate it when the public asks for a title, but do not buy it.
In Brazil, people ask that JoJo and Gintama, but we know that a small part of the public will buy.
So much so that Panini is suffering because of Toriko.

Toriko in Brazil became a meme.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Gintama manga is dead in the west and always has been despite its massive anime popularity. Not really a good example.

I don't understand what your possible criteria for a popular manga without an anime would be. You must have some unrealistic standards like "the manga needs television commercial for it to be deemed popular here".

I have to agree here.

You people are being way too strict with the definition of popularity here. Manga is niche in the West anyway, Nothing can be that successful by your standards without anime. MHA and OPM have probably showed the greatest successes pre-anime that I can think of, and even then they werent massive. Yes Neverland isn’t massive, but its pretty big considering, and probably one of the biggest currently without an anime, If not it, what are you saying currently fits your idea of “popular”?

 

[Tanzo]

There are actually sales statistics for manga print sales in the US, you can find them here:
https://animetics.net/us-manga-print-sales-statistics/
Numbers aren't high but it's something.
Top Shonen Jump Imprint Manga by Best-Selling Vol in 2016: - Most of the list weren't released in 2016
1. 48,769 - One Punch Man #1
2. 29,768 - Naruto: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring
3. 25,727 - Death Note: Black Edition #1
4. 20,062 - Assassination Classroom #1
5. 15,438 - My Hero Academia #1
6. 14,232 - Haikyuu!! #1
7. 13,877 - Blue Exorcist #1
8. 11,514 - Seraph of the End #1
9. 11,270 - Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal #8
10. 9,926 - One Piece Omnibus #1

More titles:
9,362 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Part 1--Phantom Blood Vol. 1
7,144 - Dragon Ball Omnibus #1
6,803 - Hunter x Hunter #1
5,427 - Bleach #66
5,417 - Black Clover #1
5,411 - Shokugeki no Soma #1
4,645 - Twin Star Exorcists #1
4,619 - Nisekoi #1

 

[WyldViolet]

I have not been sticking with romance that much lately, I'm reading slice of life and some adventure/battle (not necessarily shounen) manga. However, I was always adept of a more pure kind of romance where girls are not viewed as a piece of meat, but as humans who have feelings. It is really hard to conciliate the two things so I prefer not reading ecchi anymore (I read in the past, but I'm stopping more and more, I matured so to speak).

Funny, given the Yuragi cast are more human and genuine than any character in Nisekoi.

 

[Mammo]

Neverland will be the hot thing when it airs, 100%

what if Dungeon Meshi gets an anime and that airs the same season with it? you still think it will be the most popular show of that season?

is anyone surprised by this?

 

[ShenGao]

I feel sorry for Asta's VA. It's his first role and he will already need a new throat after 51 episodes of nonstop yelling.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Funny, given the Yuragi cast are more human and genuine than any character in Nisekoi.

Not true. Chisaki is the only human character in the main cast.

what if Dungeon Meshi gets an anime and that airs the same season with it? you still think it will be the most popular show of that season?

Popular maybe amongst anime fans, but I don’t think it would be mainstream popular. When you look back at previous anime, a lot of them that were mainstream popular had wide mainstream appeal. The Big 3 are obvious. Tokyo Ghoul is a zombie-esque mystery action horror anime. Attack on Titan is essentially the Japanese Walking Dead. OPM was an action heavy well animated comedy with humor that worked universally. Erased is another example, although it wasn’t as mainstream popular.
Dungeon Meshi is just a bunch of goof balls dicking around in a dungeon eating monsters. i just can’t see it becoming mainstream popular like Neverland.

 

[Mammo]

I feel sorry for Asta's VA. It's his first role and he will already need a new throat after 51 episodes of nonstop yelling.

as episode 2 shows, studio clown have no intention of faithfully adapting the manga so he might survive

Popular maybe amongst anime fans, but I don’t think it would be mainstream popular. When you look back at previous anime, a lot of them that were mainstream popular had wide mainstream appeal. The Big 3 are obvious. Tokyo Ghoul is a zombie-esque mystery action horror anime. Attack on Titan is essentially the Japanese Walking Dead. OPM was an action heavy well animated comedy with humor that worked universally. Erased is another example, although it wasn’t as mainstream popular.
Dungeon Meshi is just a bunch of goof balls dicking around in a dungeon eating monsters. i just can’t see it becoming mainstream popular like Neverland.

Dugeon Meshi is more popular than Neverland in Japan, even without an anime each volume moves 500k, that's like BnHA numbers
so Neverland will have a terrible time competing for the spotlight and getting a discussion space if they air in the same season
also, people could see Neverland as a AoT knockoff and its popularity won't become as big as people thought like what happened to Owari no Seraph

 

[Caiops]

By that logic Gintama wouldn't have flopped in the US.

But Gintama is a suc

I wonder if they can keep the animation quality for 51 episodes, BC director know some good animators, but 51 episodes is too much.

 

[Nemesis]

as episode 2 shows, studio clown have no intention of faithfully adapting the manga so he might survive


Dugeon Meshi is more popular than Neverland in Japan, even without an anime each volume moves 500k, that's like BnHA numbers
so Neverland will have a terrible time competing for the spotlight and getting a discussion space if they air in the same season
also, people could see Neverland as a AoT knockoff and its popularity won't become as big as people thought like what happened to Owari no Seraph

I mean, Shueisha is also part of this. They're one the producers of the show and these type of things are decided in the pre-production and planning of Black Clover.

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YES
It's good to know that it will have 51 episodes, I was looking forward to an anime long runner without being Dragon Ball Super or One Piece.
I hope it does not have too many fillers and they also adapt Black Clover's first Light Novel.

Yeah, I agree.
I think that this is for the best. The beginning of the manga is the weak part of it so with this quantity of episodes, we can see the better parts of the manga. With 13 episodes, it could be worse because it would end with the worse arc.

 

[Doughboy]

I think sales is the best way to look at it first, not just Reddit threads and YouTube discussions. Look at the top 5 bookscans from Sept 1st which idk if it's sales but I would figure it means something: MHA, Tokyo Ghoul, One Piece, AoT, and LoZ: Twilight Princess all are real popular over here. I'm skeptical about Neverland's long-term, not short-term, success in America cause after the escape it got dry to me so you wonder if westerners would get bored at the same point too. However whatever anime studio picks it up they really have to be careful. The coolest part of Neverland starting out was the mysterious and monotonous vibes you get just by looking at the pages. It feels creepy, but a good kind of creepy. They gotta kill this part.

 

[SharkBait]

I think people are overststing gintamas popularity, i dont think most in the mainstream actually read or even watch it.

Promised neverland will probably be somewhat popular here- since series where people are trapped in a location and must break their barriers do get some mainstream appeal here (see owari no seraph as a still well selling manga and popular series here, kabaneri had some respectable popularity thanks to crunchyroll pushing hard- shingeki s1 etc)

Have non usa countries licensed promised neverland?

 

[shoyoboyo]

Dugeon Meshi is more popular than Neverland in Japan, even without an anime each volume moves 500k, that's like BnHA numbers

I know Dungeon Meshi is popular over there, I've seen the sales numbers. I was talking about popularity here in America.

so Neverland will have a terrible time competing for the spotlight and getting a discussion space if they air in the same season
also, people could see Neverland as a AoT knockoff and its popularity won't become as big as people thought like what happened to Owari no Seraph

I doubt that would happen with Neverland. The similarities are few, unlike Seraph (or Kabaneri). Really the only similarity it has is that there are monsters that eat humans, but even then it's rarely shown and isn't the focus of the story. The people making those claims would just be shit posters that might as well be ignored.

 

[Lumilleon]

I think people are overststing gintamas popularity, i dont think most in the mainstream actually read or even watch it.

Promised neverland will probably be somewhat popular here- since series where people are trapped in a location and must break their barriers do get some mainstream appeal here (see owari no seraph as a still well selling manga and popular series here, kabaneri had some respectable popularity thanks to crunchyroll pushing hard- shingeki s1 etc)

Have non usa countries licensed promised neverland?

It was Gintama anime which is popular, the manga wasn't really big shot compared to anime.

 

[SharkBait]

I know Dungeon Meshi is popular over there, I've seen the sales numbers. I was talking about popularity here in America.

I doubt that would happen with Neverland. The similarities are few, unlike Seraph (or Kabaneri). Really the only similarity it has is that there are monsters that eat humans, but even then it's rarely shown and isn't the focus of the story. The people making those claims would just be shit posters that might as well be ignored.

Odd I was sure Neverland wasnt the only series with farms of humans AND a wall surrounding the humans.

 

[SkerllyFC]

I mean, Shueisha is also part of this. They're one the producers of the show and these type of things are decided in the pre-production and planning of Black Clover.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 12, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 12, 2017 ---

Yeah, I agree.
I think that this is for the best. The beginning of the manga is the weak part of it so with this quantity of episodes, we can see the better parts of the manga. With 13 episodes, it could be worse because it would end with the worse arc.

So you don´t want an expansion in form of anime-only content? Am I the onyl one who wants it? God, I thought you said that Black Clover is shallow and boring, because that´s what it is

 

[ChocoBar9]

Gintama manga is dead in the west and always has been despite its massive anime popularity. Not really a good example.

Its a perfect example because it proves that series that are popular online does not translate to success in the west. Both the anime and the manga failed in the US.

You people are being way too strict with the definition of popularity here. Manga is niche in the West anyway, Nothing can be that successful by your standards without anime. MHA and OPM have probably showed the greatest successes pre-anime that I can think of, and even then they werent massive. Yes Neverland isn’t massive, but its pretty big considering, and probably one of the biggest currently without an anime, If not it, what are you saying currently fits your idea of “popular”?

I don't think we're being strict at all, you just can't say something is big in the US based on such vague pretense like traffic over actual sales since traffic can come from anywhere not just the US. Honestly that is true for the most part since most audiences will not discover something unless its animated, OPM is a rare exception where its transition from successful manga to successful anime was seamless because it was already big enough online that most of its fanbase were just waiting for it to be animated and of course we already know that Heroaca benefited from Naruto ending which drew people towards it hence why its anime was so highly anticipated. The biggest manga online without a anime adaptation is Tokyo Ghoul :Re (which just got announced last week), Tower of God, and Goblin Slayer and this is just going by how they rank on manga sites.

 

[SkerllyFC]

I mean, Shueisha is also part of this. They're one the producers of the show and these type of things are decided in the pre-production and planning of Black Clover.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 12, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 12, 2017 ---

Yeah, I agree.
I think that this is for the best. The beginning of the manga is the weak part of it so with this quantity of episodes, we can see the better parts of the manga. With 13 episodes, it could be worse because it would end with the worse arc.

So you don´t want an expansion in form of anime-only content? Am I the onyl one who wants it? God, I thought you said that Black Clover is shallow and boring, because that´s what it is