Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[Marmalade]

I just woke up, and did the times change or did I actually not calculate the time correctly? Thought it would end at 13 eu time, this is 2 hours earlier. I probably just messed up the time.

I actually thought the same thing, when I checked the timer yesterday. Perhaps something went wrong?

 

[Erinyes]

I usually never except under specific conditions (like mafia confession) follow a bandwagon but i played a lot games with them i trust a lot gry and gnut hunches (assuming they re townies which i think they likely are if i trust their hints) even though as much as possible i avoid wagoning
but I want to change my vote just for the sake of posting this pic

Hope he's not a bomb

Votechange Niichan

 

[Lambu]

The day is already ending??!!

Anyway I already voted niichan, I think it was missed

 

[Purity of Magi]

END OF DAY 2​

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Spoiler: DAY 2 VOTE COUNT

Spoiler: Vote count 22/22

It's not necessary since - as I said - I wouldn't base my decision on your Red Truth anyway. The fact that you didn't use it right off the bat was a surprise and made you slightly more suspicious in my eyes. I mean, if you are really hellbent on keeping a rigorous line in regards to Umineko, you could have asked for permission to use the Red Truth in the beginning. : /

Anyway, I don't have the feeling that I'm particularly good in this game as opposed to other games I newly started. I've reread xnut's and EmptySoul's posts and think EmptySoul comes on top while niichan is the close runner up. That's why I

!votekill EmptySoul

I see EmptySoul actively browsing through MH for quite some time now, but despite that there's still no answer to my questions. Clearly she seems to be avoiding further talk, which only makes her even more suspicious. I've had her on my list since yesterday, and she keeps getting more and more suspicious, so she's definitely getting my vote for now.

!votekill EmptySoul

Since I will be leaving soon and I'll probably miss the end of the day, I will make my vote now. Out of all suspects and rereading the posts from day 1, I feel niichan is the one who is the most likely to be a mafia, that defense for Spriggan was certainly suspicious when it was almost clear that he's mafia.

!votekill Niichan

Hmm, it appears that due to timezones, this Day Phase became a bit stale...
Anyway, I guess I'll repeat myself:

Votekill Elusia

I mean, I know that it's probably due to what I've written just above, but it's also true that she didn't say much about herself.

the note's mechanism is still not clear to me, so either as gnut suggest there's a possibility theres a 3 party
Ill cast a vote before going to bed in case, may consider changing it depending on further revelations.
Im going for now for Xnut.


Votekill xnut

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 15, 2017 ---

Ah yeah your gf birthday ?
could it be a hidden hint

Well...didnt i say van and niichan had to be behind demons death.
Van,why in the world would you want to keep obvious mafia around to take a shot at someone they are incriminating lol.

I been watching niichan since early day 1....his post made the hair on my neck stand up....the "work together" thing.

Anyways....votekill niichan




As for the deathnote....i took it that a townie's actions become killing actions.
Where a bad guy "in a group" their power is diminished....i figured they would maybe have less successful chance of killing...idk.

But my point is....a bad guy "in a group"....?
So we possibly dont have 2 mafias but 1 mafia and 3rd party(s)

I voted you because I thought you were gonna start some note goose chase with what you said yesterday about the investigators being able to tell. But Votekill niichan, this is hilarious considering the two people who picked at my "slip up" slipping mighty bad hehe

Reading all this... its getting hot here!

Since I feel motivated I made some research on the first day and did a summary ("a la Erin") about directions and voting in D1, Im already working on D2. I'll post it soon.

I actually agree with niichan that focusing solely on him gives an easier way to the hidden mafias to stay in the shadows if in the end he's not mafia.
Still, niichan, you are the highest suspect even if, after research, I think gnut tried harder in saving Spriggan than you. Empty is shady but I find proving your allegiance more productive than proving hers right now.
Kind of, if you are mafia we would have further leads, Empty is at the moment not much more shady than xnut or the group of "yes man" I've been watching.

So Votekill niichan for now.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 15, 2017 ---

By the way @Erinyes I gave info about my role already: active, not useful right now

Eh, at this point I suppose I should change my vote.

Votekill niichan

Won't be around for the rest of the allotted time for Day 2, so votekill niichan
Same reasoning as in Day 1(first impression gave off "try and catch me vibe", then the pompom exchange), plus what has happened so far in the current day just piled on the suspicion.

After some consideration, and yes a lot of lurking (I'm obvserving, sorry - not sorry) I have made my choice as I probably don't get the chance to be active before this phase ends.

Votekill niichan. It's not because the amount of votes he's getting at this point, I just don't believe his statement in being an innocent townie. Do you really have to tell that to others if you are innocent? Feels fishy to me. The whole conversation during the day felt manipulative and not just coming from one person.

With that said, goodnight and goodluck tonight children.

Even though niichan is 100% Mafia trash I was hoping he'd be useful to me for at least tonight. But oh well. I do love a good mafia lynch

Votekill niichan

Well, first about DN mechanics, I think I'm getting a gist of it by now. From those tips, I suppose that when mafia hold a DN, they're forced to use it if they don't want penalties, but as the method of killing is by writing the name, thus, it impedes them from using special skills (janitor "cleaning" skills, poison, escorting), so it could be considered "draining power", the third quote seems to affirm something like this. I still think there are two familes and maybe third parties. If there are third parties, it would be also complicated for them to hold the note, because it could hinder their prime objective (i.e: Santa Claus would need to kill rather than giving his presents), on the other hand roles like the Serial Killer wouldn't be very affected by it because he would still have the power to kill but not twice cause the killing with Dn would count as his night action. The thing becomes even more complex if there are indeed masons (and one of them has the note) cause there could be a mafia among them.


Yes, I play pretty much the same whether I'm mafia or not, it gives some mystery to the game, right? I'll explain why you find my playstyle similar that's regardless of being mafia or townie I'll tell the truth, cause on the first time I lied on this game, I died and I didn't die when I told the truth (surprisingly), simple as that. Plus, I'm not entirely clear of suspicions about you either, though your incisive posts might be just your passion in bringing criminals to the lights of this town, I can't just trust you fully when I see you're pulling the strings for a lynching here. I do agree that Van defending niichan is very odd, after all, Vand is my favorite target (because he's a smart player and @Demonspeed instruct me so on my first game). Also I don't quite understand why people are suspecting there's some sort of allegiance between me and niichan, we're just playing bro and sis accordingly to our avys, lol.

And @gnut it's not that you're on the top of my list of suspects, but I'm always cautious around old players, cause I know you're skilled in deceiving and don't want that best MVP from mafia coming from any of them again. But my suspects at the moment is Empty Soul. That's why my vote goes for her:

Votekill Empty Soul

On a side note, @niichan oniichama I believe your words about being a plain townie, but if you're not a real townie, sis will be very sad.

Votekill niichan

Here's hoping someone else votes for him too

Still dodging any sensible argument and responding with accusations, then. Alright, I'm off too anyway.



Yeah, voting for EmptySoul before we see niichan's corpse is totally a good idea

I'd vote for that certain someone if I didn't think it would be a completely wasted vote, so I'll just votekill xnut. Not that it will make any difference either, from the look of things...

I don't think I'll be able to come back here before the day ends, but I've already repeated myself to exhaustion more than enough.

Hmmm niichan seems suspicious judging from the trend

Vote Kill Niichan

gonna sleep, so...

un..

votekill nicchan?

Aye, sorry about that - hopefully can do more today (though I still have a lot of posts yet to read...)
Dunno why anyone wouldn't vote niichan at this point, pretty sure GrySun summed him up pretty well

votekill niichan

no one is jumping out as obviously as he is.

Neither @syx nor @Lady pompom stand out to me as Mafia (being the only people who didn't vote for niichan thus far) that much, but I haven't written much in my notes on either of them, so either they haven't said much or they haven't been arguing as much as GrySun or others have.

GrySun is the only trustable one amongst the whole lot of you... though I never thought I would ever say that

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

oh, I only read up to 300 thus far, did anyone point out any more reasons for there being a 2nd Mafia or not?
I think it's probably wise to find out as soon as possible.

Also, if you block/stop an action, do you find out, or do you have to infer by death count?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017 ---

... and is there any reason why Zasz's name is underlined in his niichan vote?

I guess I'll make my decision now. Through all the posts, I can say that Gry-kun has convince me to vote for niichan. That and how I notice that he was really odd during the last hours of d1.

votekill niichan

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

About the 2nd mafia, I think it is due to how many players there are.

votekill niichan

QUOTE="EmptySoul, post: 4649808, member: 196412"]Vote kill niichan
Reason:gut feeling

Spoiler

Real reason:hes the most suspicious looking back at his posts and i dont think i buy that "im a townie" act though if he really is..well frick
Guess we'll just have to wait and see

[/QUOTE]

I just woke up, and did the times change or did I actually not calculate the time correctly? Thought it would end at 13 eu time, this is 2 hours earlier. I probably just messed up the time.
Would want to reply some of the posts up til now but gotta get going soon.

We‘ve talked about everything regarding niichan already, if he shows as boss then Vand is most likely his mafia friend with the detective baiting, and it would be great if someone with the Death Note could kill him.

I am not the kind of person to beg for protection during the night, if we have docs/bodyguard then you protect whoever you think is best to protect.

I am certain Vand must‘ve been baiting, so I will !votelock niichan to die to his bomb instead of the last voter if he truly is bomb, but I don‘t believe he is. Hoping to be there in day 3, that‘s potentially when we start questioning everyone and not just focus on 1-2 people.

Niichan 15x (Grysun, Monkey D Dragoon, Gnut, Xnut Lambu, Zasz, Gryffindor, MarmaldeSky, Belserion,WYIS,Arjuna,Kato,zimbardo,elusia,desin25,Empty Soul)

Empty Soul 3x (Syx, Niichan,Lady Pom Pom)

Desin24 3x (Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote)

DiMaria Yesta 3x (Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote)

Xnut 2x( Erinyes,Vandred)

Elusia 1x (Zasz)

Spoiler

Mafia Boss

NIGHT PHASE HAS STARTED.​

 

[Copy Panda]

/Day 2

Opening Post updated!
End-of-Day Post updated!
Sticky Post updated!
Chapter 3 (was already) added!
Countdown added!​

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 16, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 16, 2017 ---

Sorry it's taking a bit longer, I thought I fucked up but I didn't heh​

 

[Purity of Magi]

END OF THE NIGHT PHASE

Hostkill for Dimaria

Spoiler

Bodyguard

Killing me? *Eva suddenly was holding a huge gun in her hands*

As if I would let you even have the chance! Hahaha! Enjoy the dead yourself!

Spoiler

Townie

Spoiler

Detective

Some time later......

Spoiler

Mafia Strongman

 

[Copy Panda]

Host Killed on Day 3

DiMaria Yesta
Bodyguard

Host Killed!

We hear DiMaria has taken ill. We wish you well!

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Killed During Night 2

EmptySoul
Townie

Dead!

Kato756
Detective

Dead!

ErinYes
Mafia Strongman

Dead!
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[GrySun]

Oh my god this night, what's happening. DiMaria was a Bodyguard, an unfortunate role to lose as it could've protected someone. Empty was a Townie, figures with how niichan went for her.
Kato is our 2nd lost Detective Why do the most crucial roles always die so early? Why would they even kill Kato, he hinted at having a bad role.

And then we have Erin, wtf. I never would've guessed she was mafia, she just did her usual thing.

To make it even more of a mess, Vandred is still alive huh? While he's a good option(and probably what we end up going today), I would rather spread our love today and question everyone some more. At least a Strongman dying is some consolidation, this means we may have a Bulletproof or more docs/prostitute I think.

 

[Lady pompom]

Can't believe it, another det is gone. Also, Gry and gnut were pretty rght about niichan being a boss, I'll listen you guys next time

The mafia strongman is also part of the red mafia... Maybe there's really one big family here? I think we should inquire more, cause many people haven't told practically anything yet.

Also, I have a question for the hosts @TSPanda can the death note kill be blocked by roles like the bullet-proof/prost/doc?

 

[GrySun]

Also, I have a question for the hosts @TSPanda can the death note kill be blocked by roles like the bullet-proof/prost/doc?

Rule 9 of the Note rules. The kill can fail, so it can be blocked or the target protected.

But we really should also devote ourselves more to understanding all the chapter text and differently colored truths. There could be something major. I will also announce something interesting later this day, but I seriously should go sleep soon. Will just answer 1 post from the end of day 2 before I'm gone.

 

[Lady pompom]

@MarmaladeSky , @xnut I'd like to listen more about your roles.

I'll tell another hint about mine: This role was also present at the DBZ game, but we didn't have it on Overwatch game.

 

[Vandred]

So Empty's role is with 99%-certainty Jesus, huh. Well... That could have gone worse. A lot of deaths tonight, but with the hosts screaming at us that there's more than Note, it's not very surprising.

Sucks about DiMaria too, but eh. Not sure how anyone would have had fun with Bodyguard either way

Another dead Detective is a lot more worrying, instead. Especially since *cough* if there's any Det still alive, they have no sure way to confirm their sanity until Empty comes back to life in two days... Unless they already investigated one of the many dead players. If only I'd have known DiMaria would have been hostkilled at the start of today rather than at the end of yesterday, I wouldn't have wasted so much time arguing that plan about niichan. I hope there's a Det who picked up on that...

Erin as Strongman Strongwoman, though At any rate, three dead mafias in three days, at the cost of five townies, is not a negative result at all. Too bad that *cough* we already lynched the chatty mafia member, since I just checked Erin's few posts and she didn't interact in any meaningful way with anyone...

 

[gnut]

Oh my god this night, what's happening. DiMaria was a Bodyguard, an unfortunate role to lose as it could've protected someone. Empty was a Townie, figures with how niichan went for her.
Kato is our 2nd lost Detective Why do the most crucial roles always die so early? Why would they even kill Kato, he hinted at having a bad role.

And then we have Erin, wtf. I never would've guessed she was mafia, she just did her usual thing.

To make it even more of a mess, Vandred is still alive huh? While he's a good option(and probably what we end up going today), I would rather spread our love today and question everyone some more. At least a Strongman dying is some consolidation, this means we may have a Bulletproof or more docs/prostitute I think.

Well...im thinking erin was killed by targeting a possible pgo or an insane doc kill or possible 3rd party/deathnote.
Kato.....someone brought up he was busy with GF.
But i got my money on spirit....he was the one really pushing for pressure on kato...he also voted erin on day 1.

Emptysoul was an outright kill by mafia i believe....seeing how they (nichan)was trying hard to get her lynched....dont know why.
Maybe empty said something that made them think important....xD

 

[desin24]

Damn what a night. Losing another detective is pretty hurtful but lynching two mafia right away is pretty amazing.
Really curious about Gry's announcement, I feel like it's death note related.

 

[gnut]

So Empty's role is with 99%-certainty Jesus, huh. Well... That could have gone worse. A lot of deaths tonight, but with the hosts screaming at us that there's more than Note, it's not very surprising.

Sucks about DiMaria too, but eh. Not sure how anyone would have had fun with Bodyguard either way

Another dead Detective is a lot more worrying, instead. Especially since *cough* if there's any Det still alive, they have no sure way to confirm their sanity until Empty comes back to life in two days... Unless they already investigated one of the many dead players. If only I'd have known DiMaria would have been hostkilled at the start of today rather than at the end of yesterday, I wouldn't have wasted so much time arguing that plan about niichan. I hope there's a Det who picked up on that...

Erin as Strongman Strongwoman, though At any rate, three dead mafias in three days, at the cost of five townies, is not a negative result at all. Too bad that *cough* we already lynched the chatty mafia member, since I just checked Erin's few posts and she didn't interact in any meaningful way with anyone...

How would a detective be confirmed by empty?


Oh yeah....:votekill vandred.

 

[Spirit]

I think you're overstating my 'real push' for Kato. It was an afterthought.

 

[gnut]

Empty is town...i think it would be obvious at this point if a detective checked you....no?


Sorry @Vandred

 

[GrySun]

GrySun is the only trustable one amongst the whole lot of you... though I never thought I would ever say that

I found this odd when I read it after waking up. Why'd you never think you'd say I'm trustable? I know I lost every game I played so far but I think I do a lot every time :/

Go on, @GrySun, at this point it's fun to see your contradictions.

I know I don't play perfect by any means and do a lot of mistakes, but I don't think I ever contradict myself.

Go on, @GrySun, at this point it's fun to see your contradictions.

Wasn't I the first one to openly question @Emperor Spriggan? Here, I'll find my post for you. But wait, I thought him, niichan and I were supposed to be all in the same mafia...?

First off, sorry for not answering this before day 2 ended, when I woke up it was a few mins before day end. Will do so now though.

You're totally right about the Spriggan thing, I totally forgot you were among the voters on him. For some reason I could only remember Belserion to have started Spriggan's demise, but you were on him very early too. Maybe you didn't think it would escalate as much as it did, but toying with a strong role like Mafia Detective is a bad idea.

Haven't I repeated time and time again that my suggestion is to keep niichan alive for one single day, even a single night, and at the very latest lynch him tomorrow? Is that your concept of protecting? What, exactly, would I stand to gain from that if I were his mafia buddy? And what great risk do you think keeping him alive for one more phase would entail, when his mafia is most likely going to be able to kill tonight either way? Letting those pesky Dets get a reliable result, maybe?

It kinda is, since there's little reason to keep him alive. We don't know if it's 2 mafias or 1 big mafia, with there being several Death notes 2 mafia groups would maybe even be too many deaths. His death was better for us all, after all we also got you with that

Losing the boss after losing a detective must be pretty bad, especially if it is still very much avoidable. I didn't even expect myself that niichan would end up with 16 votes (and yes 16 not 15, Lambu wasn't counted in that post). So that's what you gain, ruining det results and having him around for longer. I even considered that niichan may have a powerful role you wanted to use one last time. I thought I treated you unfairly then, but after niichan showed as Boss I think it just has to be you because of the baiting. But I could be making a mistake with you as with Kato last game... I'll take it slow today, after all we should question the others too. But it doesn't bode well for you, as protecting niichan when you're a townie unrelated to him is even worse of an idea.

The Daws treatment? So... his buddies coming out in the open and saying niichan is one of theirs? What? They already lost the Mafia Det, too, so they wouldn't have any leverage like Daws did. What could his mafia buddies accomplish if we're all set on lynching him tomorrow?

No, that's not the Daws treatment I was talking about. I was talking about how the orange mafia that game didn't kill him as we expected, but kept him alive while killing more townies and while having their Escort on him to make his results useless.

You forgot to tell Dets that they should investigate me before I die tonight, you know. Which is, obviously, what you should want as a townie, isn't it?

And of course, if you die that must mean it was my mafia buddies who killed you. The oldest trick in the bag.

Even if niichan is going to get lynched today, I'll once again ask everyone to reconsider and wait for one more day - if a townie has the Note, kill him tonight instead, and if not, we'll lynch him right away tomorrow regardless of what he or anyone else brings up.

Gry, if you fail to make any sense again of all the holes in your logic I just mentioned (which I don't see as very likely, since they're well... holes in your logic), I know who I'll be voting instead of niichan today. Or if I'm still alive by tomorrow, who I'll vote then.

If our dets are paying even a little bit of attention to the game they should know themselves to target you after niichan showing as Mafia Boss. Even if you're townie, that's the best choice for them there. But as it seems our dets are already dead, probably via Erin's kill? Don't think they'd be comfortable using you for the kill after all that happened. Or their other 4th/5th member?

Why else would I die though? Who would want me dead? Any Death Note holders should definitely not kill me after I got niichan. All that's left is niichan's vengeful mafia. Or a 3rd party/2nd mafia, but they would probably want to keep me alive for longer to do more work for them. If they even exist that is... With 1 mafia, more than 1 Death Note that's enough killing to eat through all our players very fast. A Santa would round it up perfectly too, which makes me uncomfortable where the game is heading.

Were those all the holes in my logic? Because I didn't see any contradictions. If anything I can accept that about Spriggan and low reasons to stick out for niichan, but those have possible explanations too which I wrote.

 

[Vandred]

To make it even more of a mess, Vandred is still alive huh? While he's a good option(and probably what we end up going today), I would rather spread our love today and question everyone some more. At least a Strongman dying is some consolidation, this means we may have a Bulletproof or more docs/prostitute I think.

I'd say you and me being both alive is not surprising at all, actually.

Ah, you think today we should question more than one person at a time? But we learned so much from that 15-people bandwagon yesterday

And you and @gnut are still free to remind me why I'm supposed to be "what we end up going for today". You know, since you still need to make sense of your accusations, which still only amount to "your plan is weird" and "if niichan is Mafia Boss, then Vandred is certainly mafia too". Some intuition you showed there, by the way

 

[GrySun]

Guys I'm really sleepy right now, writing that post about Vand took longer than I thought. I'll have time tomorrow to do more stuff, but right now I want you all to use this time and not focus solely on Vand, red mafia must have more members if they're 1 big mafia. Question everyone like xnut, beginners like elusia, gryffindor, marmalade etc. I want Erin's previous hint list filled with hints about everyone. A few who are confident could even reveal if they feel like it.

Also, I already said it but we need to finally figure out the Death note and colored-truths system. I will write a big analysis on that one tomorrow, but you are all also free to already start thinking about it and help me tomorrow figure it out. I suck at riddles.

Damn what a night. Losing another detective is pretty hurtful but lynching two mafia right away is pretty amazing.
Really curious about Gry's announcement, I feel like it's death note related.

Yes it is, this could be a huge opportunity for us. It's nothing you absolutely need to know right away as Notes are more for next night, so I will just expect they don't have an assassin(else I'd be daykilled long ago) and go to sleep, sharing it all tomorrow.