Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

Fans of the series likely just don't go out of their way to buy a physical version of the manga is because it's all free on the Jump+ app.

Chps dont stay free forever.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Yeah this is... the whole take is flawed. There’s been as much old blood as there has been fresh faces lately, feels like.

Not to mention, the majority of hits from as far back as the Golden Age were either from newcomers, or people with no prior hits. This whole take seems nonsensical.

 

[Hamura]

Food Wars Serie (with spin-off & digital sales) : 19 000 000.

Worldwide?

 

[Felcis]

So I was just catching up with Samurai 8. Am I understanding it correctly that the (all male?) Samurai warriors each need a princess companion to protect to get their dicks swords hard? This sure doesn't bode well for Kishimoto's growth with handling female characters.
On top of that, the series is still very tiresome to read, thanks to all the other problems it has (way too much text&infodumps, weird panel flow, annoying lead, barely readable artwork...). Shame for all the effort that is obviously spend on the art, which is pretty fantastic in terms of detail and pure craftsmanship.

Chps dont stay free forever.

Aren't the online-series like SxF supposed to stay free forever?

 

[Rain Spectre]

So I was just catching up with Samurai 8. Am I understanding it correctly that the (all male?) Samurai warriors each need a princess companion to protect to get their dicks swords hard? This sure doesn't bode well for Kishimoto's growth with handling female characters.
On top of that, the series is still very tiresome to read, thanks to all the other problems it has (way too much text&infodumps, weird panel flow, annoying lead, barely readable artwork...). Shame for all the effort that is obviously spend on the art, which is pretty fantastic in terms of detail and pure craftsmanship.

Eee-yup >> I am honestly shocked more people aren't talking about that, because it's seriously one of the most questionable things I've read. Like, this is arguably below Naruto's level, especially considering this is literally the first female characters in the manga.

And I agree on the art thing, it's obvious a lot of work has been put into it, but what all that effort has sacrificed is making the manga easily readable.

 

[Felcis]

Eee-yup >> I am honestly shocked more people aren't talking about that, because it's seriously one of the most questionable things I've read.

The symbolism isn't even subtle! They literally show the protagonist holding a limp sword while going on about how he needs a princess to protect, so he can be a true Samurai (and get his sword erect, I assume).
This series' obsession with the overly complicated & specific rules of being a Samurai doesn't really do it any favors.

 

[supercow297]

Yeah this is... the whole take is flawed. There’s been as much old blood as there has been fresh faces lately, feels like.

Yeah, the way I stated it is definitely wrong. Let me shift my own goalposts, I think Jump should stop hyping up young authors. e.g. Masaoki Shindou. There was another series/one-shot (forgot which) by a 17 year-old or so. My point is primarily that them being young shouldn't be considered as a good thing, given that Jump used to wait until students were graduated to publish them in serializations. I don't like how they're tossing that concept away.

 

[Rain Spectre]

The symbolism isn't even subtle! They literally show the protagonist holding a limp sword while going on about how he needs a princess to protect, so he can be a true Samurai (and get his sword erect, I assume).
This series' obsession with the overly complicated & specific rules of being a Samurai doesn't really do it any favors.

Tell me about it. Over the first volume, we've gotten details on the Locker Balls, the Key Holders, the swords and now the Princesses. All of these things put together has made the action really difficult to follow, and it doesn't help that we have lots of exposition on how Samurai in the setting work but not, say, basic details about where we are and what's going on.

The idea that the protagonist can only be a true hero if he has a woman to protect is almost comical in its presentation.

Yeah, the way I stated it is definitely wrong. Let me shift my own goalposts, I think Jump should stop hyping up young authors. e.g. Masaoki Shindou. There was another series/one-shot (forgot which) by a 17 year-old or so. My point is primarily that them being young shouldn't be considered as a good thing, given that Jump used to wait until students were graduated to publish them in serializations. I don't like how they're tossing that concept away.

They're not, though? All of those ultra young authors are one-shots, not full serializations.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Aren't the online-series like SxF supposed to stay free forever?

No, chapters expire once they’ve been released as volumes. Though they can be accessed with the in-app currency.

 

[Felcis]

No, chapters expire once they’ve been released as volumes. Though they can be accessed with the in-app currency.

Is that also true for MangaPlus? Because for SxF it just says "All chapters are free and ready to enjoy!" without any warning about them being unavailable later.

 

[Jovan]

Is that also true for MangaPlus? Because for SxF it just says "All chapters are free and ready to enjoy!" without any warning about them being unavailable later.

Seems not. For example, Dricam has 48 chapters and none have been removed.
From what I heard, Arata Primal, LAND LOCK, and recently Blue Flag and Summer Time Rendering all have each chapter available. All are Jump+

 

[tirakai]

Samurai 8's still uneventful and boring, the girl's cute I guess but if it wasn't by Kishi I'd have written it off as an obvious flop. No impact to anything, no goal, no meaningful progress past chapter 1, a couple villains that advanced nothing and only existed for the sake of forcing in some fighting, infodumping everything before giving people a reason to care about the infodumps, it's like it's making every possible beginning mistake. There's no draw to it.

You'd think Kishimoto with all his experience would write something a bit less impotent, perhaps it's been so long since he started a manga that he has no idea how to actually introduce a setting any more.

What do you guys think of Arata Primal? It looks like it's one of the most popular series on mangaplus but it doesn't seem to get a lot of attention (then again, I only really look for manga discussion here and reddit, so maybe that's on me). I recently caught up with it, and it's pretty great so far. I'm a huge fan of survival series and this one is a great new one to follow.

I found it unbearable personally and dropped it a few chapters in, the setting and story is interesting but the MC is genuinely the most annoying of any manga I've ever read. I have never before dropped a manga because I didn't like the main character but I did here.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Just reminding Yudetamago debuted with Kinnikuman with both of them being 16 years old.

 

[Franz]

Just reminding Yudetamago debuted with Kinnikuman with both of them being 16 years old.

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[OtterBrigade]

Seems not. For example, Dricam has 48 chapters and none have been removed.
From what I heard, Arata Primal, LAND LOCK, and recently Blue Flag and Summer Time Rendering all have each chapter available. All are Jump+

to be fair though none of those chapters have been released as volumes which is when they're removed from Jump+. The only ongoing Jump+ stuff that has volumes in English released (Boys over Flowers, MHA Vigilantes and World End Harem) aren't on Manga+ so its hard to know. Jigokuraku only has the first 3 and newest 3 chapters (in Canada at least) though.

 

[OniluapL]

Maybe mangaplus will remove the free chapters when they have a solution in place to access them if you want to. If they do it now, the chapter is just unavailable, which doesn't seem like a good idea.

 

[Halloween]

They literally show the protagonist holding a limp sword while going on about how he needs a princess to protect, so he can be a true Samurai (and get his sword erect, I assume).

Yes, you very much do assume. It was never stated the princess is required for the bone sword. In fact, we've seen two Samurai already that didn't even have princesses that were fully capable of using their bone swords.

The true Samurai thing is alluding to something else.

 

[supercow297]

Yes, you very much do assume. It was never stated the princess is required for the bone sword. In fact, we've seen two Samurai already that didn't even have princesses that were fully capable of using their bone swords.

The true Samurai thing is alluding to something else.

Based Buranchi I've seen you cut through the bs on this thread multiple times, I appreciate your comments here since you've made yourself a pretty solid, reputable dude.

 

[Unok]

So I was just catching up with Samurai 8. Am I understanding it correctly that the (all male?) Samurai warriors each need a princess companion to protect to get their dicks swords hard? This sure doesn't bode well for Kishimoto's growth with handling female characters.
On top of that, the series is still very tiresome to read, thanks to all the other problems it has (way too much text&infodumps, weird panel flow, annoying lead, barely readable artwork...). Shame for all the effort that is obviously spend on the art, which is pretty fantastic in terms of detail and pure craftsmanship.


Aren't the online-series like SxF supposed to stay free forever?

Obviously you are wrong. Considering you mentioned "all male?" contradicts fully with your statement, as that suggest females don't need a princess. And Daruma already hinted it: he doesn't have a conviction yet and is still worried for his father. Whatever his conviction is to protect the princess, make her Queen of the Universe or something else, is still yet to be seen.

People really love hating the manga. If its such a bore to you all, stop reading it... I'm honestly tired of seeing (especially that Spectre) shitting on it each week. Either go into the manga thread and shit there, or stop it already. We get it, you hate it, you found hundreds of flaws. Now let the other people enjoy it if they want. Just because you find "flaws" in it, doesn't mean other do too. I have zero desire to go and praise each series I like, I just read and enjoy. Do you see me or other people shitting constantly on the series we don't like? I'm also definitely purchasing it, when the volumes come out. Samurai 8 is obviously ain't going anywhere anytime soon. It's even receiving CP next week in "response for great popularity", but you do go and tell me how bad it is, I'm listening.

 

[TyVip]

Do you see other people shitting constantly on the series we don't like?

yes lol