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Sanji caveat that hos body was in possession of Nami & not his own. Is almost irrelevant for the simple point that. The other fighters of the crew. Weak or not, have managed to fight injured. Overall, we can create what if scenario's..But going from feats and comparison..Sanji prowness in the new world in comparison to its threats is lacking He hasnt performed at a high rate. Until Wano.
He been actually fine as he only one outside of Luffy to defeat credible threat among the crew and fighting them off. His feats been fine, but issue is that full fights with more serious threats. Doesn't erase he isn't getting stronger or doesn't have more to show.
 

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Your bias is showing heavy, Sanji's body took a ceaser clown gasnet explosion. So, Sanji's body was heavily weakened. We already saw what nerfed killer did to Zoro with just a piercing attack. Now, imagine taking a whole explosion without protection.
Uhm, he did while in terrible condition and survived, two times actually.
 

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Nah Sanji does as he shown to handle opponents destructive power like Watsudmai and Daifuku. He can fight them off with no trouble Sai is nothing especially his ass was easily beat by Luffy who wasn't focus on him at all.
Wadatsumi and Daifuku have not shown anything close to the destructive power of Sai stop talking BS, also Luffy never beat Sai can you just stop lying.
 

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Wadatsumi and Daifuku have not shown anything close to the destructive power of Sai stop talking BS, also Luffy never beat Sai can you just stop lying.
They have feats of destroying high damage areas especially Daifuku cutting ships and slicing waves like butter. For Sanji to beat former and then fight off later, he can beat Sai easily.



Luffy did and wasn't even focus on him. Stop with your lies and biased please.
 

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They have feats of destroying high damage areas especially Daifuku cutting ships and slicing waves like butter. For Sanji to beat former and then fight off later, he can beat Sai easily.
Go get your eyes checked, Sai's destructive power is way higher than Daifuku cutting Tartes ships. how does Sanji beat Sai easy, explain.



Luffy did and wasn't even focus on him. Stop with your lies and biased please.

Do you know the difference between defeating someone and knocking someone away?
 

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Go get your eyes checked, Sai's destructive power is way higher than Daifuku cutting Tartes ships. how does Sanji beat Sai easy, explain.




Do you know the difference between defeating someone and knocking someone away?
That is defeating. Your in denial as usual.

Daifuku would wipe the floor with Sai. Sai could barely beat Lao before getting his move. Doesn't mean he is beyond others like that.
 
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This thread is hilarious after recent developments. Sanji wins, everyone should have known this back then, but this is still comedy.
 

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What recent development? The last thing sanji did was complain about feeling weird from the raid suit. As of now sanji has zero wins in the new world meanwhile sai can split an island in two. Sanji has been set up for a massive powerup. But sai has more feats than sanji in the new world. Sai has one victory to boast of, sanji has zero. Sai actually matching or surpassing chinjao is nothign to scoff at for people with sanji's track record. Add to that, even zoro noted sai was someone to look out for.
 

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What recent development? The last thing sanji did was complain about feeling weird from the raid suit. As of now sanji has zero wins in the new world meanwhile sai can split an island in two. Sanji has been set up for a massive powerup. But sai has more feats than sanji in the new world. Sai has one victory to boast of, sanji has zero. Sai actually matching or surpassing chinjao is nothign to scoff at for people with sanji's track record. Add to that, even zoro noted sai was someone to look out for.
Chinjao couldn't even push Luffy Gear 4...... A Tobi Roppo could do that tho,and Sanji in base is fighting a Commander a whole tier above Tobi Roppo.

And we know Sanji offscreen defeated Yonji, who scales to Daifuku another vet, much stronger than Lao G.



Sai can have all the attack power in the world it won't matter if
he's getting taken out by G2 Kicks with no haki.


Thread should have been closed in 2017.
 
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Chinjao couldn't even push Luffy Gear 4...... A Tobi Roppo could do that tho,and Sanji in base is fighting a Commander a whole tier above Tobi Roppo.

And we know Sanji offscreen defeated Yonji, who scales to Daifuku another vet, much stronger than Lao G.



Sai can have all the attack power in the world it won't matter if
he's getting taken out by G2 Kicks with no haki.


Thread should have been closed in 2015.
And... there is zero reason to think sanji could push luffy to gear 4 at any time. And come on, the vinsmoke siblings have zero chance against big mom's executives in general. All yonji did was a simple attack on a yonko executive he has zero chance against in any other scenario. Yonji is a joke. Sai has an actual meaninful win in the new world. Sai has a kick which can break an island in two. Sanji has not even evidenced hardening. Sanji is lucky that oda is about to shove down his threat 500 chapters worth of development thanks to the clutch suit.
 

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And... there is zero reason to think sanji could push luffy to gear 4 at any time. And come on, the vinsmoke siblings have zero chance against big mom's executives in general. All yonji did was a simple attack on a yonko executive he has zero chance against in any other scenario. Yonji is a joke. Sai has an actual meaninful win in the new world. Sai has a kick which can break an island in two. Sanji has not even evidenced hardening. Sanji is lucky that oda is about to shove down his threat 500 chapters worth of development thanks to the clutch suit.
What evidence is there that the Vinsmokes had no chance? cause the story proves otherwise....... These are literally the only panels we have of Vinsmokes fighting executives and the conclusion is that they have no chance??


You keep bringing up the power of Sai's Kick as if Sanji is some defensive character, he's gonna dodge that shit. And again it doesn't matter what Sai can destroy, You realize Jabra and Kurobi had a lot more physical power and could probably destroy a lot more shit than Sanji and still got their asses beat..........

And as far as hardening goes, We've seen you don't even need haki to defeat people with haki, All the Tobi Roppo had haki and lost to people who didn't.

And why are we still denying the fact that Sanji is strong without the suit, When Sanji has done impressive shit without the suit.

 

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What recent development? The last thing sanji did was complain about feeling weird from the raid suit. As of now sanji has zero wins in the new world meanwhile sai can split an island in two. Sanji has been set up for a massive powerup. But sai has more feats than sanji in the new world. Sai has one victory to boast of, sanji has zero. Sai actually matching or surpassing chinjao is nothign to scoff at for people with sanji's track record. Add to that, even zoro noted sai was someone to look out for.
Sanji is strong enough to fight against Queen and is obviously going to win...Sanji won this matchup back in 2015 this just made it even funnier, The fact you think Sai wins this is hilarious. And the W-L is funny, Franky has more New World wins than Sanji...Are you going to claim Franky>Sanji?
 

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Lmao. Perspective is everything.
This is a Vs thread. Not a plot thread.
Sanji didn’t have the feats or battle track record to honestly compete with Sai.
Sanji pre Wano was full of unfulfilled hype, because he’s #3 of the SHP hierarchy.
Sadly Sanji is a MC, but there are actually only 3 MC’s Oda always focus on..So he gets his developments late.

either way Sai wins on paper against Sanji pre Wano.
 

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Lmao. Perspective is everything.
This is a Vs thread. Not a plot thread.
Sanji didn’t have the feats or battle track record to honestly compete with Sai.
Sanji pre Wano was full of unfulfilled hype, because he’s #3 of the SHP hierarchy.
Sadly Sanji is a MC, but there are actually only 3 MC’s Oda always focus on..So he gets his developments late.

either way Sai wins on paper against Sanji pre Wano.
Even for Pre Wano Sanji its a bad take, Sai wasn't even matched up against one of the top 3 executives in Dressrosa. And again a G2 Luffy kick took the dude out. On paper he should get one shotted if Sanji lands a good hit on him. You'd have a better argument for Kyros against pre wano Sanji than Sai tbh.
 

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Even for Pre Wano Sanji its a bad take, Sai wasn't even matched up against one of the top 3 executives in Dressrosa. And again a G2 Luffy kick took the dude out. On paper he should get one shotted if Sanji lands a good hit on him. You'd have a better argument for Kyros against pre wano Sanji than Sai tbh.
A G2 kick did not take him out; The attack eliminated him from the coliseum tournament, he was fine and dandy floating in the water; Context of the scene is very important.

Sanji has NO feats of epic proportions; No wins; No answer to if he can use hardening, he etc

Sai has hardening, vibration techniques, and a epic feat of splitting a plateau.

Sanji has no feats, it’s very credible
 

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A G2 kick did not take him out; The attack eliminated him from the coliseum tournament, he was fine and dandy floating in the water; Context of the scene is very important.

Sanji has NO feats of epic proportions; No wins; No answer to if he can use hardening, he etc

Sai has hardening, vibration techniques, and a epic feat of splitting a plateau.

Sanji has no feats, it’s very credible
He beat Yonji, who at bare minimum scales to Lao g if not better.Also sent oven flying ,unless Sai is a Yonko Commander level character. Base Sanji beats him.

Idk why people are intimidated by basic application of hardening.Ulti and Sasaki had hardening and still got KO’d by elemental attacks.
 

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He beat Yonji, who at bare minimum scales to Lao g if not better.Also sent oven flying ,unless Sai is a Yonko Commander level character. Base Sanji beats him.

Idk why people are intimidated by basic application of hardening.Ulti and Sasaki had hardening and still got KO’d by elemental attacks.
*Lao G!!! Nobody has ever highlighted this old dude was strong. & stronger when he was younger….

Sanji defeated Yonji without his RS. Vinsmokes w/o RS aren’t Sh&t. That’s a fact!
Sanji can beat all of them w/o their RS IMO.
With their RS they showed that they were better than Sanji already during WCI.

No Yonji w/0 RS doesn’t scale to Lao G who defeated Chinjao, & got dropped by Sai’s ultimate attack.

There’s pages of me and others giving proper fan perspective, criticism & begging for Sanji to be useful or impactful during an arc. He’s a cook which is important but he’s also a fighter.

Wadatsumi is a giant and large; So yes Sanji lifting him with a kick was look; This was FIshMan Island where nothing cool really happened lol; weak arc

PunkHazard, plz go to hell with he was injured; So we’re many characters in their fights and they still finished their opponents; VERGO overshadowed Sanji! There’s nothing to exaggerate or downplay. Same character VERGO put the beats in Smoker & Law. Sanji broke his chin bone and would have been beaten like a dog how Smoker was. Law suffered more damage than he should have, but it shows how strong VERGO was.

WCI, Sanji does not Shine here. Oven showed he’s a tank; Daifuku was never hurt only had a few of his attacks stopped. Bobbin is fodder. Tried to save Luffy, Raizo is back up after taking his attack, he’s easily surrounded, and even shot while running….Why because Sanji is tired?? From making a Cake?? Vinsmokes rescue him and give him a RS.

Go to Wano. Sanji pulls out RS right away against P1. Sanji is overpowered once in his RS, & counter attacks…fight is left unfinished…We getGifters getting one shot. & Bam Sanji all of a sudden is attacking Queen….

ROFLMAO….Sai wins. Idc about Sanji’s potential only Oda can define what that truly is. Facts are facts; Sai had strong opponents, low Diff wins; Better destructive showings & useful combat techniques (coa)

Sanji’s track record before Wano is WACk! Simple as that and we seen him incapable of overcoming certain moments. This is annoying as a reader because the other 2 aren’t like that. But oh well
 

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*Lao G!!! Nobody has ever highlighted this old dude was strong. & stronger when he was younger….

Sanji defeated Yonji without his RS. Vinsmokes w/o RS aren’t Sh&t. That’s a fact!
Sanji can beat all of them w/o their RS IMO.
With their RS they showed that they were better than Sanji already during WCI.

No Yonji w/0 RS doesn’t scale to Lao G who defeated Chinjao, & got dropped by Sai’s ultimate attack.

There’s pages of me and others giving proper fan perspective, criticism & begging for Sanji to be useful or impactful during an arc. He’s a cook which is important but he’s also a fighter.

Wadatsumi is a giant and large; So yes Sanji lifting him with a kick was look; This was FIshMan Island where nothing cool really happened lol; weak arc

PunkHazard, plz go to hell with he was injured; So we’re many characters in their fights and they still finished their opponents; VERGO overshadowed Sanji! There’s nothing to exaggerate or downplay. Same character VERGO put the beats in Smoker & Law. Sanji broke his chin bone and would have been beaten like a dog how Smoker was. Law suffered more damage than he should have, but it shows how strong VERGO was.

WCI, Sanji does not Shine here. Oven showed he’s a tank; Daifuku was never hurt only had a few of his attacks stopped. Bobbin is fodder. Tried to save Luffy, Raizo is back up after taking his attack, he’s easily surrounded, and even shot while running….Why because Sanji is tired?? From making a Cake?? Vinsmokes rescue him and give him a RS.

Go to Wano. Sanji pulls out RS right away against P1. Sanji is overpowered once in his RS, & counter attacks…fight is left unfinished…We getGifters getting one shot. & Bam Sanji all of a sudden is attacking Queen….

ROFLMAO….Sai wins. Idc about Sanji’s potential only Oda can define what that truly is. Facts are facts; Sai had strong opponents, low Diff wins; Better destructive showings & useful combat techniques (coa)

Sanji’s track record before Wano is WACk! Simple as that and we seen him incapable of overcoming certain moments. This is annoying as a reader because the other 2 aren’t like that. But oh well
Yonji had his raid suit, you reading Two Piece again.
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Lmao. Perspective is everything.
This is a Vs thread. Not a plot thread.
Sanji didn’t have the feats or battle track record to honestly compete with Sai.
Sanji pre Wano was full of unfulfilled hype, because he’s #3 of the SHP hierarchy.
Sadly Sanji is a MC, but there are actually only 3 MC’s Oda always focus on..So he gets his developments late.

either way Sai wins on paper against Sanji pre Wano.
Sanji had portrayal and solid showings to put him above Sai. As I said, Franky had a better record than Sanji, heck his record is still better now. Sai loses to pre Wano Sanji.

"Not a plot thread" A character's strength comes from how they're shown in the plot. This is the lames and weakest logic I've seen. I guess Sai is stronger than Greenbull too since he has no feats and this is a 'Vs thread. Not a plot thread'.
 

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*Lao G!!! Nobody has ever highlighted this old dude was strong. & stronger when he was younger….

Sanji defeated Yonji without his RS. Vinsmokes w/o RS aren’t Sh&t. That’s a fact!
Sanji can beat all of them w/o their RS IMO.
With their RS they showed that they were better than Sanji already during WCI.

No Yonji w/0 RS doesn’t scale to Lao G who defeated Chinjao, & got dropped by Sai’s ultimate attack.

There’s pages of me and others giving proper fan perspective, criticism & begging for Sanji to be useful or impactful during an arc. He’s a cook which is important but he’s also a fighter.

Wadatsumi is a giant and large; So yes Sanji lifting him with a kick was look; This was FIshMan Island where nothing cool really happened lol; weak arc

PunkHazard, plz go to hell with he was injured; So we’re many characters in their fights and they still finished their opponents; VERGO overshadowed Sanji! There’s nothing to exaggerate or downplay. Same character VERGO put the beats in Smoker & Law. Sanji broke his chin bone and would have been beaten like a dog how Smoker was. Law suffered more damage than he should have, but it shows how strong VERGO was.

WCI, Sanji does not Shine here. Oven showed he’s a tank; Daifuku was never hurt only had a few of his attacks stopped. Bobbin is fodder. Tried to save Luffy, Raizo is back up after taking his attack, he’s easily surrounded, and even shot while running….Why because Sanji is tired?? From making a Cake?? Vinsmokes rescue him and give him a RS.

Go to Wano. Sanji pulls out RS right away against P1. Sanji is overpowered once in his RS, & counter attacks…fight is left unfinished…We getGifters getting one shot. & Bam Sanji all of a sudden is attacking Queen….

ROFLMAO….Sai wins. Idc about Sanji’s potential only Oda can define what that truly is. Facts are facts; Sai had strong opponents, low Diff wins; Better destructive showings & useful combat techniques (coa)

Sanji’s track record before Wano is WACk! Simple as that and we seen him incapable of overcoming certain moments. This is annoying as a reader because the other 2 aren’t like that. But oh well
XXGenesis You wrote all this for nothing...... Yonji had his Raid Suit on when Sanji beat him.


Same Yonji who fought Daifuku...

I don't care how long you've been waiting for Sanji to be impactful, you should have just waited until All the strawhats fought together in an arc again, cause that's literally the only time Sanji shines from a combat perspective in One Piece Arcs.




Punk Hazzard: It Doesn't Matter how weak you think Sanji is compared to Vergo its irrelevant to this discussion because Vergo was one of the 3 executives , What Does Vergo have to do with Sai and Lao G? Lao G isn't even one of the executives bruh.......And to add insult to injury Lao G was fighting Chinjao first than Sai just stepped in. it was technically a 2v1 against a character who isn't even top 3 in a Warlord Crew.

WCI: Again all these characters are stronger than Sai and Lao G........ You wanna call oven a tank, you wanna say Daifuku was not hurt? fine.... but again their all above Sai and Lao G. Oven and Daifuku, these are character relative if not stronger than Doflamingos 3 executives. The Fact is, Sanji was fighting stronger guys than Sai bruh...... Beating Lao G is like beating a Headliner or Raging Army dude in the context of a Yonko Crew.... it aint shit.

No matter how you split it Sanji pre wano beats Sai. Especially now that we know Sanji without the raid suit still has attacks he hasn't even used yet. Rotisserie Strike is one of the strongest attacks Sanji has used post timeskip and it wasn't from the raid suit. Meaning he's had that in his bag all this time. He probably has more.

 

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XXGenesis You wrote all this for nothing...... Yonji had his Raid Suit on when Sanji beat him.


Same Yonji who fought Daifuku...

I don't care how long you've been waiting for Sanji to be impactful, you should have just waited until All the strawhats fought together in an arc again, cause that's literally the only time Sanji shines from a combat perspective in One Piece Arcs.




Punk Hazzard: It Doesn't Matter how weak you think Sanji is compared to Vergo its irrelevant to this discussion because Vergo was one of the 3 executives , What Does Vergo have to do with Sai and Lao G? Lao G isn't even one of the executives bruh.......And to add insult to injury Lao G was fighting Chinjao first than Sai just stepped in. it was technically a 2v1 against a character who isn't even top 3 in a Warlord Crew.

WCI: Again all these characters are stronger than Sai and Lao G........ You wanna call oven a tank, you wanna say Daifuku was not hurt? fine.... but again their all above Sai and Lao G. Oven and Daifuku, these are character relative if not stronger than Doflamingos 3 executives. The Fact is, Sanji was fighting stronger guys than Sai bruh...... Beating Lao G is like beating a Headliner or Raging Army dude in the context of a Yonko Crew.... it aint shit.

No matter how you split it Sanji pre wano beats Sai. Especially now that we know Sanji without the raid suit still has attacks he hasn't even used yet. Rotisserie Strike is one of the strongest attacks Sanji has used post timeskip and it wasn't from the raid suit. Meaning he's had that in his bag all this time. He probably has more.

1) This thread was made during WCI; or just about when it was almost over.
2) Nobody post here anymore because nobody thinks Wano Sanji is weaker than Sai;
3) WCI happens quite some weeks later after Dressrosa; We are comparing Sai from Dressrosa with Sanji during PH; taking feats from WCI because they expand on his full capabilities

So posting Wano feats is a waste of time; nobody with sense is gonna argue that.

You were the one who compared Lao G with Yonji; Now doing so with other characters. Idk Y but however; Sai disposed of 2 strong opponents. Sanji Pre-Wano has only got rid of Bobbins…………

Combine PH & WCI; Sanji proves nothing besides that he is fast; relatively because he could rescue Luffy w/o his families help.

Sanji is unimpressive. If you find him impressive before Wano. We don’t hold the same lv of standards what so ever; because Sanji did not cut it, too many times until Wano and he still struggled in wano


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Yonji had his raid suit, you reading Two Piece again.
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Sanji had portrayal and solid showings to put him above Sai. As I said, Franky had a better record than Sanji, heck his record is still better now. Sai loses to pre Wano Sanji.

"Not a plot thread" A character's strength comes from how they're shown in the plot. This is the lames and weakest logic I've seen. I guess Sai is stronger than Greenbull too since he has no feats and this is a 'Vs thread. Not a plot thread'.
You stupid with your weak argument on portrayal and using Sai & Greenbull as an ex. Really moronic…because your suggesting I’m stupid enough to think such a thing

good job looking dumb. If you want to chime in don’t be a pompous prick…Ok Yonji has his RS on, Wow I forgot that detail…changes nothing on how everyone thought Sanji sucked!!! pre Wano & Sai could defeat him
 
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