Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[yadayada]

Decades long series losing sales is nothing surprising. The audience they are directed to simply cannot easily get into it (and no, despite the editor's claims, Wano is not a good way to "get into One Piece", and no one is jumping into a series starting from the 90th volume), and the long time fans start losing interest in it as they grow up (or they just simply don't feel like the series is as good as it used to be).
If anything, One Piece holding up its sales for so long, and even managing to reach its peak after more than a decade in the running was the surprising part.

Long running series can still be appealing to the new generations (although with Japan's declining birth rates they are never going to reach OP's heights), but not 20 years in the running series. Kimetsu being a short investment helps it being picked up by all sorts of demographic, some of which would normally find a potential 10+ years investment too intimidating.

As for potential claims of "OP only losing to Kimetsu due to corona", considering Kimetsu has already outsold any 2017-2019 full year OP volume before the half year mark, I wouldn't exactly give them any credit.

 

[Newkerzy]

Here's the article on ishuhui for better clarity:

Chinese Site Administrator Sentenced for Posting Early Shonen Jump Scans

Shueisha also pursues civil suit against admin of site that opened in 2013, had 400,000 unique users

www.animenewsnetwork.com

 

[Thundercat27]

I don't think it's a worthy question to pursue, because the coronavirus just completely wrecked most industries.

You might as well just write 2020 off, with a few exceptions.

Nice, another excuse to add to the list with fujo and npc.

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Conan? That has always been in the decline. Unlucky for Sunday, it is their sole bestseller now.

 

[animeexpert]

While I do also feel that is a bit extreme I would also like to see more darker new jump series come out kind along the lines of shonen magazine manga To you the immortal/attack on titan or even some more horror/thriller manga like the Promised Neverland

When TPN ends, we atleast need an puzzle thriller replacement. Mann I gonna miss TPN so much, even tho it had his downs in the last arc

 

[Halloween]

Nice, another excuse to add to the list with fujo and npc.

It's not an excuse. I'm just not convinced that covid-19 is *only* affecting OP, and it's not just on a downward trend regardless of the pandemic.

 

[animeexpert]

I feel demon slayer should run a little longer considering there are still some plot holes and it’s selling insanely well for shonen jump

Nope nope nope. It wont

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Also around December 2019 shonen jump has made a mobile game which includes characters from demon slayer for mobile devices

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They could just use the jojo bizarre adventure approach and maybe use a new villain, hero, genre, battle system, and setting each part

I'm still pissed about jump force. Why couldn't they just remade J-star, hoe can they degrade the development of jump games so much.. also the license issues are just big excuses for just money grabs

 

[Griff]

As much as I do like seeing demon slayer sales I do wonder if one piece sales has been staying consistent this year or if it had fallen off compared to previous years

One Piece have sold about 4.5m copies this year so far so it's not as good as last year, but not as bad as 2018 either.

 

[MrDropCombo]

I think it’s really hard to gauge the affects of covid-19 in the manga industry because volumes are still being released and selling week to week. With other industries like film and anime, works which have been delayed or postponed however we haven’t seen any examples of this with manga volumes (to my knowledge).

@MrDropCombo Thanks somebody gets me. While I don’t hate gag series I feel like jump is just doing to much with them I just want to see more serious battle series (more in the same vain as d gray man, demon slayer, or hunter hunter), thrillers, and or maybe even a new horror serialization. That is the main reason I have been excited for TOGW because it seems like a more serious than the ones that we have been getting this past year.

Yeahh i get you completely, but i guess WSJ always have to fill the void of certain genres like romance, gag and sports when their established series comes to to end.

If you haven’t already, I recommend checking out JJK, great action manga (in my opinion) with cool characters and a story which isn’t afraid of tackling darker themes. If the art is up your ally, the action scenes are as badass as the raid movies.

And yeahh I had hopes for guardian cause the premise and art was nice but it’s just been okay so far. I feel like there’s cool characters but the current pace of the story hasn’t given us time to connect with them individually, it’s kinda just been run, action, run, action

 

[Unok]

I think it’s really hard to gauge the affects of covid-19 in the manga industry because volumes are still being released and selling week to week. With other industries like film and anime, works which have been delayed or postponed however we haven’t seen any examples of this with manga volumes (to my knowledge).

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, Other Jump Manga Delay New Volumes Due to COVID-19 Coronavirus Concerns

Haikyu!!, SSSS.Gridman, SPY×FAMILY, One Piece Stampede, more delayed by two weeks

www.animenewsnetwork.com

 

[yadayada]

One Piece have sold about 4.5m copies this year so far so it's not as good as last year, but not as bad as 2018 either.

2018 was one of the few years where OP only released 3 volumes, the first of which only came out in march. So not really, 2018 was better on an individual volume basis.

 

[Franz]

However despite the precautions, Shueisha's security really sucks if they can leak One Piece spoilers even before information about the issue is leaked,

 

[MangAniMY]

not gonna quote anyone so figure this all out yourself

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緊急事態宣言で書店休業は800店以上に、書籍と雑誌の発売延期・中止も相次ぐ - The Bunka News デジタル

　新型コロナウイルス感染防止のための緊急事態宣言が発令されたことに伴い書店の休業が増えているが、大手取次の日本出版販売（日販）とトーハンによると、両社のグループ書店と取引先書店のうち８０…続き

www.bunkanews.jp

特集 - 2020年4月緊急事態宣言による書店の休業に関するニュースまとめ

www.shinbunka.co.jp

https://www.ajpea.or.jp/information/20200424/index.html

オリコン“本”ランキング 調査協力店一覧

www.oricon.co.jp

extra points (yes literal points)

- DATE
- MONTH
- LAST YEAR
- ONLINE doesn't necessarily means DIGITAL


extra-extra: (may or may not directly with above, but still a reply to thread

- too soon
- GGRKS
- distribution is a chain, the longer and more joints, the more weak spots it have

 

[Rain Spectre]

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, Other Jump Manga Delay New Volumes Due to COVID-19 Coronavirus Concerns

Haikyu!!, SSSS.Gridman, SPY×FAMILY, One Piece Stampede, more delayed by two weeks

www.animenewsnetwork.com

That was just one week, and most likely only done because of the same restructuring which lead to the Issue 21/22 delay. Other productions had their production suspended indefinitely until a later date.

However despite the precautions, Shueisha's security really sucks if they can leak One Piece spoilers even before information about the issue is leaked,

...This is about COVID.

Not Shueisha's security regarding leakers.

 

[Franz]

...This is about COVID.

Not Shueisha's security regarding leakers.

Annnnnnnnddddddd ...........

What does this have to do now?

 

[lgrmjauffre]

...No? Araki has said he did the shift mostly because he found Johnathan too limited a protagonist, hence why Joseph was such a radical departure.

Refer to the "Hirohiko Araki talks about character creation!" section of volume 8 of the JoJonium release. Araki says "The idea of making the main character of Part 3 Japanese was something I had thought of doing around the end of Part 1. I had originally planned JoJo to be a trilogy, and thought it would be appropriate to have the final, fated confrontation take place in present-day Japan"

In the "Hirohiko Araki talks about character creation!" section of volume 4 of the JoJonium release, Araki had this to say on Joseph's design: "it was difficult to think of a way to overcome the reader's perception that it had turned into an entirely different manga altogether! That's why I decided to keep Joseph's appearance the same as Jonathan's but change his personality. Now that the series is up to Part 8, though, I wish I had differentiated the appearance of the protagonists of Part 1 and 2 a bit more (laughs)"

Araki absolutely always intended for the series to have multiple parts. If it had flopped, it would have flopped. Instead, it turned out to be popular, and either by his own choice or by the pushing of Shueisha, he decided to continue writing the series past his originally intended trilogy. He doesn't mention (at least in this interview) that his reason for the radical personality difference between Jonathan and Joseph is because of Jonathan being "limited", he said it was because he wanted people to know Joseph was a separate character, hence his radically different personality despite looking like Jonathan (which is reasonable, given he is his grandson).

 

[perroloco]

Nice, another excuse to add to the list with fujo and npc.

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Conan? That has always been in the decline. Unlucky for Sunday, it is their sole bestseller now.

I'm probably the only person that mentioned the NPC thing, Idk if anyone else mentioned but I didn't really say it as an excuse, but whatever.

I'm defending KnY here btw, it's dumb to think that COVID19 didn't in some way have an effect in KnY and in the entire manga industry, an obvious example like Buranchi said is that different anime stopped their production so it will probably affect their boost, KnY itself got its movie premiere moved, don't you think that movie would have probably boosted KnY sales even more?

Some KnY fans here make it sound like everything other user say that could imply that other manga could have sold more is like an excuse to degrade KnY being the best seller it is.. when it's not at all!, it's pretty obvious COVID19 had (and will continue) to have an impact in the manga/anime industry (As it has had in... pretty much everything else)

So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that COVID19 probably affected KnY sales too, maybe it would have sold idk 50million this year by now thanks to the movie, but we will never know.

 

[101nemesis]

It's not an excuse. I'm just not convinced that covid-19 is *only* affecting OP, and it's not just on a downward trend regardless of the pandemic.

OP has been on a downwards trend for years now. It's not right to assume it suddenly stabilized this year out of nowhere.

 

[Thundercat27]

GGRKS

Internet is nice, learn new things everyday.

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

KnY itself got its movie premiere moved,

There was no official information about kny date before April 10, so we can't know if Oct 16 was the original date or it was moved

 

[Halloween]

OP has been on a downwards trend for years now. It's not right to assume it suddenly stabilized this year out of nowhere.

I'm not making that argument, though. Honestly, even if covid-19 hadn't happened, we'd likely still be seeing similar trends in regards to OP specifically.

Although, having said that, I think the worst of the covid-19 stuff has yet to happen. Let's see what happens when it's like a year from now and a vaccine still hasn't been discovered.