One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

@Pirate Queen @Moegara

Smoker above Cracker? Dragon? Sabo? Doflamingo? Fujitora? Weevil? Beckmann? There so many people you missed.

I doubt if Smoker can even beat Cracker's biscuit soldiers.

This is laughable.

Oh yeah, for those I haven't put in, some are stronger than him, but still waiting on feats on Dragon more. I will edit Fujitora and Sabo in there who are stronger, but Smoker still Top 30.

Given his Logia abilities, he doesn't necessarily need to destroy them all, but be smart like Luffy in how to handle situation to get to his body. Plus Cracker got fragile durability, so can't say he last if he takes multiple hits.

 

[Ramen]

Oh yeah, for those I haven't put in, some are stronger than him, but still waiting on feats on Dragon more. I will edit Fujitora and Sabo in there who are stronger, but Smoker still Top 30.

Given his Logia abilities, he doesn't necessarily need to destroy them all, but be smart like Luffy in how to handle situation to get to his body. Plus Cracker got fragile durability, so can't say he last if he takes multiple hits.

Yo can add enough people to make a top 40 without Smoker. You can't intentionally leave people out for the sake of putting him in the top 30. Dragon is 100% stronger than Smoker.

Cracker isn't durable? Let's ask Urouge and Luffy what they think.

 

[Nie Li]

Sure thing:

1. Kaido
2. Big Mom
3. Shanks
4. Blackbeard
5. Kong
6. Garp
7. Sengoku
8. Tsuru
9. Akainu
10. Aokiji
11. Kizaru
12. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
13. Mihawk
14. Macro
15. Jozu
16. Vista
17. Shiryu
18. Iso
19. King and Sanji
20. Queen
21. Burgess
22. Katakuri
23. Jack
24. Smoker
25. Smoothie and Jimbei
26. Cracker
27. Doflamingo
28. Boa Hancock
29. Urouge
30. Snack and Zoro

Here is my top 30 with few ties around .

This panel alone moves Smoker three places down your list:

And look, another place down:

Now yeah, add the characters @MUIMadara listed and Smoker's out of the list.

 

[King Moe]

Yo can add enough people to make a top 40 without Smoker. You can't intentionally leave people out for the sake of putting him in the top 30. Dragon is 100% stronger than Smoker.

Cracker isn't durable? Let's ask Urouge and Luffy what they think.

Nah, Smoker still in top 30 and you can't handle I just edit my post. Also when I said Smoker is above Dragon? Only you saying that.

Bruh when his real body have durability feats? He got none whatsoever XD.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

This panel alone moves Smoker three places down your list:

And look, another place down:

Now yeah, add the characters @MUIMadara listed and Smoker's out of the list.

Nah, going by current, not PH lvl. Of course he wasn't stronger then, but is right now.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, Smoker still in top 30 and you can't handle I just edit my post. Also when I said Smoker is above Dragon? Only you saying that.

Bruh when his real body have durability feats? He got none whatsoever XD.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Nah, going by current, not PH lvl. Of course he wasn't stronger then, but is right now.

Where's the proof that he's suddenly stronger than Doflamingo?

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Another thing. why is there "burgess and Weevil" and "King and Sanji" as only one rank in your list? You put more than 30 before Smoker on the list and just counted less people. lol

 

[Ramen]

Where's the proof that he's suddenly stronger than Doflamingo?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Another thing. why is there "burgess and Weevil" and "King and Sanji" as only one rank in your list? You put more than 30 before Smoker on the list and just counted less people. lol

There is none. Doffy is still superior to him. Like I said, this list is laughable.

 

[HereNThere]

You can't make a top 30 and bust out ties to get your character in.

 

[Ramen]

Nah, Smoker still in top 30 and you can't handle I just edit my post. Also when I said Smoker is above Dragon? Only you saying that.

Bruh when his real body have durability feats? He got none whatsoever XD.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Nah, going by current, not PH lvl. Of course he wasn't stronger then, but is right now.

He doesn't even need to fight using his realy body. His biscuit warriors would be enough. You didn't add Dragon and said you're waiting for more feats. Dragon is already stronger than him. You put Kong but not Dragon.

 

[Nie Li]

Sure thing:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Blackbeard
6. Kong
7. Garp
8. Sengoku
9. Tsuru
10. Akainu
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
14. Fujitora and Ryogaruku
15. Mihawk (Debatable Though)
16. Macro and Beckenman (YC1)
17. Jozu and Yasopp (YC2)
18. Vista and Lucky Roo (YC3)
19. Shiryu
20. Iso
21. King and Sanji
21. Queen
22. Burgess and Weevil
23. Katakuri
24. Jack
25. Smoker
26. Smoothie and Jimbei
27. Cracker
28. Doflamingo
29. Boa Hancock
30. Urouge

Here is my top 30 with few ties around .

There's literally 33 people on your own list rated higher than Smoker. You failed. Smoker is not Top 30 even in your list.

Not to mention the fanboyism of Sanji being "tied" with King at rank 21 while leaving Zoro entirely outside of the list. And Mihawk being placed lower than Luffy and Law. lol

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

He doesn't even need to fight using his realy body. His biscuit warriors would be enough. You didn't add Dragon and said you're waiting for more feats. Dragon is already stronger than him. You put Kong but not Dragon.

He put Dragon 1st to be fair.

 

[King Moe]

Where's the proof that he's suddenly stronger than Doflamingo?

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Another thing. why is there "burgess and Weevil" and "King and Sanji" as only one rank in your list? You put more than 30 before Smoker on the list and just counted less people. lol

People can tied up in top 30. Not everyone is set who is stronger than who. You tell me where it stated he still weaker in same lvl as looking at Law who lost to Doflamingo, portrayal to be stronger than before. Shouldn't count past fights to think someone won't get stronger since many arcs later.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

There is none. Doffy is still superior to him. Like I said, this list is laughable.

Can't help you if you don't like over your own mindset. Your not favorable yourself when it comes to certain characters.

 

[Nie Li]

People can tied up in top 30. Not everyone is set who is stronger than who. You tell me where it stated he still weaker in same lvl as looking at Law who lost to Doflamingo, portrayal to be stronger than before. Shouldn't count past fights to think someone won't get stronger since many arcs later.

There's no proof of Law being stronger than Doflamingo now either.

And yes, you can tie people, but you still count every character. They being tied doesn't count as a single character.

 

[Ramen]

Sanji and King equal with no proof but Zoro is nowhere to be found. Yep......

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

Can't help you if you don't like over your own mindset. Your not favorable yourself when it comes to certain characters.

You mean everyone's mindset.

 

[King Moe]

He doesn't even need to fight using his realy body. His biscuit warriors would be enough. You didn't add Dragon and said you're waiting for more feats. Dragon is already stronger than him. You put Kong but not Dragon.

Why you think Smoker be stupid to fight them all instead being smart to find his real body instead?

 

[Ramen]

Why you think Smoker be stupid to fight them all instead being smart to find his real body instead?

Because Cracker can just hide.....like he's done before?

 

[King Moe]

There's literally 33 people on your own list rated higher than Smoker. You failed. Smoker is not Top 30 even in your list.

Not to mention the fanboyism of Sanji being "tied" with King at rank 21 while leaving Zoro entirely outside of the list. And Mihawk being placed lower than Luffy and Law. lol

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

He put Dragon 1st to be fair.

Nah, not fanboyism. Actuality as you look at latest chapter. Zoro is one who fainted in a fight and ran from Apoo. Why should I put him above many YCs like Katakuri who will waste him? Mihawk got stopped by YCs and defeated no one noticeable. I am actually being nice to rank him above YCs when he proven nothing on that. Luffy, Kidd, and Law for sure given how they are pushing them to take out a Yonko and given their abilities.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Because Cracker can just hide.....like he's done before?

Smoker has COO though, so he can find him and his Logia helps slip through the 'cracks' (no-pun intended).

 

[Ramen]

Smoker has COO though, so he can find him and his Logia helps slip through the 'cracks' (no-pun intended).

Luffy had it too. Plus, it's not like a dozen biscuit soldiers are going to let him get away. And no, he can't just go through them like a ghost.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, not fanboyism. Actuality as you look at latest chapter. Zoro is one who fainted in a fight and ran from Apoo. Why should I put him above many YCs like Katakuri who will waste him? Mihawk got stopped by YCs and defeated no one noticeable. I am actually being nice to rank him above YCs when he proven nothing on that. Luffy, Kidd, and Law for sure given how they are pushing them to take out a Yonko and given their abilities.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Smoker has COO though, so he can find him and his Logia helps slip through the 'cracks' (no-pun intended).

I'll just ignore the first paragraph. It's far too biased and pointless to discuss how you interpret and rank Sanji's and Zoro's feats.

On your second paragraph:
Luffy had CoO as well.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji and King equal with no proof but Zoro is nowhere to be found. Yep......

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Aug 22, 2020 ---

You mean everyone's mindset.

Give me Enma feats or anyone he beaten since having it? None unless you want count running from Apoo or Gifters topping him put him above people like Katakuri. We got see Sanji starting to fight King and able to stop an attack by him while no doubt survive next attack as thinking he will get kill is plain biased than real thing. Until I see something of him, his past fights harper his level from start of the arc with Hawkins and ongoing.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 22, 2020 ---

Luffy had it too. Plus, it's not like a dozen biscuit soldiers are going to let him get away. And no, he can't just go through them like a ghost.

It's harder for Paramecia to get by while Smoker with his Logia intangibility can slips through easier and be aware of when Cracker will come out at him.

 

[Ramen]

Give me Enma feats or anyone he beaten since having it? None unless you want count running from Apoo or Gifters topping him put him above people like Katakuri. We got see Sanji starting to fight King and able to stop an attack by him while no doubt survive next attack as thinking he will get kill is plain biased than real thing. Until I see something of him, his past fights harper his level from start of the arc with Hawkins and ongoing.

I'll dismiss the Zoro thing since it's pointless to discuss with you.

We haven't seen anything. It could King effortlessly stomping Sanji. Or it could be a small clash. You're assuming.

 

[King Moe]

I'll just ignore the first paragraph. It's far too biased and pointless to discuss how you interpret and rank Sanji's and Zoro's feats.

On your second paragraph:
Luffy had CoO as well.

Like you always said that when you got nothing to back. Nothing wrong with admitting when your wrong.

Paramecia DF compare to Logia DF though.