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[Seven777]

Then don't use those armors as an argument if Mashima can't even be bothered to draw them most the time?

That's the point. He shouldn't fetishize characters during what should be serious moments, if he does it's fair to say he treats those characters like trash.

This is the kind of reputation Erza vs Ajeel has made. Because of all her failures in alvarez now people claim everyone is stronger than her. A mage of her caliber shouldn't have lost all those fights.

Lucy can't outshine Erza often because she's simply weaker, that's how it's been from the start. It's silly to expect better feats from Lucy, she was never meant to be a top fighter in the first place.

Chapters focused on Wendy's big fight during Tartaros - 376, 377, 378; chapters focused on Erza's big fight - 403, 404.
Also Erza's fight was made irrelevant when she failed to stop FACE but it didn't matter anyway cause the dragons destroyed them (? I think, I ragequit the manga at this part).

Why? It's an excellent argument. Mashima still went through all the trouble to designing them, which is more love than he's put into any magic other than Lucy's. He also does use them throughout the fights, just not every time. You're basically complaining that Mashima doesn't put more time and effort into Erza's magic than he does for every other character in the manga, I hate to break it to you but Erza's magic shouldn't be getting any more love than Gray's, it does of course, far more love, but it shouldn't(at least if we're complaining about how much love Mashima gives characters).

Trash by your standards perhaps, but if you're using that as an argument for Mashima not liking Erza or some nonsense like that, then your wrong, he loves her, fetishization is merely something he loves too.

Erza beat Ajeel, and who's claiming that everyone is above her lol? The only FT members above her are Laxus and Gildarts, and sometimes Natsu. With the Eileen feats he gave her Erza is one of FTs strongest.

Lucy can and should outshine Erza, she's the main character of this manga. Lucy never gets feats of power, she gets feats of circumstance and intelligence, so Erza being stronger than her doesn't matter. There are two moments in the manga where Lucy has outshone Erza, Tartaros and Fairy Heart, Lucy deserved every bit of that shine, Erza should honestly give her more of it.

You forgot the whole fight she had with Neo Minerva, Wendy had less time than Erza.
Wendy failed to destroy Face too lol, her whole shit was made irrelevant.

 

[mwarren100]

Why? It's an excellent argument. Mashima still went through all the trouble to designing them, which is more love than he's put into any magic other than Lucy's. He also does use them throughout the fights, just not every time. You're basically complaining that Mashima doesn't put more time and effort into Erza's magic than he does for every other character in the manga, I hate to break it to you but Erza's magic shouldn't be getting any more love than Gray's, it does of course, far more love, but it shouldn't(at least if we're complaining about how much love Mashima gives characters).

Trash by your standards perhaps, but if you're using that as an argument for Mashima not liking Erza or some nonsense like that, then your wrong, he loves her, fetishization is merely something he loves too.

Erza beat Ajeel, and who's claiming that everyone is above her lol? The only FT members above her are Laxus and Gildarts, and sometimes Natsu. With the Eileen feats he gave her Erza is one of FTs strongest.

Lucy can and should outshine Erza, she's the main character of this manga. Lucy never gets feats of power, she gets feats of circumstance and intelligence, so Erza being stronger than her doesn't matter. There are two moments in the manga where Lucy has outshone Erza, Tartaros and Fairy Heart, Lucy deserved every bit of that shine, Erza should honestly give her more of it.

You forgot the whole fight she had with Neo Minerva, Wendy had less time than Erza.
Wendy failed to destroy Face too lol, her whole shit was made irrelevant.

Agreed. Lucy should get more feats of power in the upcoming arcs.

 

[jetblackwings]

Why? It's an excellent argument. Mashima still went through all the trouble to designing them, which is more love than he's put into any magic other than Lucy's. He also does use them throughout the fights, just not every time. You're basically complaining that Mashima doesn't put more time and effort into Erza's magic than he does for every other character in the manga, I hate to break it to you but Erza's magic shouldn't be getting any more love than Gray's, it does of course, far more love, but it shouldn't(at least if we're complaining about how much love Mashima gives characters).

Trash by your standards perhaps, but if you're using that as an argument for Mashima not liking Erza or some nonsense like that, then your wrong, he loves her, fetishization is merely something he loves too.

Erza beat Ajeel, and who's claiming that everyone is above her lol? The only FT members above her are Laxus and Gildarts, and sometimes Natsu. With the Eileen feats he gave her Erza is one of FTs strongest.

Lucy can and should outshine Erza, she's the main character of this manga. Lucy never gets feats of power, she gets feats of circumstance and intelligence, so Erza being stronger than her doesn't matter. There are two moments in the manga where Lucy has outshone Erza, Tartaros and Fairy Heart, Lucy deserved every bit of that shine, Erza should honestly give her more of it.

You forgot the whole fight she had with Neo Minerva, Wendy had less time than Erza.
Wendy failed to destroy Face too lol, her whole shit was made irrelevant.

He himself decided to make Erza's magic requip so yes, he should have her actually use that magic and draw it. Why are you acting as if fans wanting Erza to use her magic is an unreasonable request lol? Gray gets lots of nicely designed attacks with his ice make magic, Mashima does everything he can with it. Idk what more you expect from ice magic.

If he was fetishizing her during comedic moments I'd wave it off but during torture scenes, when you're supposed to feel sad for her? That's just blatant disrespect to the character and all the fans that like her.

Lots of people with Gray, Gajeel and Mirajane like in that post I linked. It happens all the goddamn time.

Lucy vs tartaros was one of the biggest moments of that arc and Fairy Sphere was the climax of the entire manga... That's plenty of shine on Lucy, definitely more than Erza has had. Idk what more you wanted. Lucy DOES have lots of feats of intelligence even though Erza should have more as a warrior with actual battle experience (like in Erza vs Midnight).

Erza vs Minerva was off screened and focused on Minerva and her backstory, not Erza.

 

[Reblowp]

The problem with Eden's Zero is that Mashima is basically writing and drawing a fantasy located into a sci fi world, and not a properly sci-fi.
By the way I too enjoyed the first chapters, then it gone down pretty fast as I recognized the same old Trollshima's game.

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Mashima himself said it that it has Sci-Fi elements, but it's more like a Space Fantasy rather than Sci-Fi.

 

[Seven777]

He himself decided to make Erza's magic requip so yes, he should have her actually use that magic and draw it. Why are you acting as if fans wanting Erza to use her magic is an unreasonable request lol? Gray gets lots of nicely designed attacks with his ice make magic, Mashima does everything he can with it. Idk what more you expect from ice magic.

If he was fetishizing her during comedic moments I'd wave it off but during torture scenes, when you're supposed to feel sad for her? That's just blatant disrespect to the character and all the fans that like her.

Lots of people with Gray, Gajeel and Mirajane like in that post I linked. It happens all the goddamn time.

Lucy vs tartaros was one of the biggest moments of that arc and Fairy Sphere was the climax of the entire manga... That's plenty of shine on Lucy, definitely more than Erza has had. Idk what more you wanted. Lucy DOES have lots of feats of intelligence even though Erza should have more as a warrior with actual battle experience (like in Erza vs Midnight).

Erza vs Minerva was off screened and focused on Minerva and her backstory, not Erza.

And he does... just not as often as you want.
It's not an unreasonable request, I myself would love to see Erza do more with her magic, but if you're trying to use it as an example of some distaste for Erza on Mashima's part, then you've provided a pretty damn poor example.
I don't expect anything more from Gray's magic, or Erza's, Mashima does what he can with the incredibly limited time he has.

No it isn't? It might not suit your tastes but i'm sure Mashima enjoyed drawing it. I personally had no problem with the Kyoka scene.

There are also people who thought Lucy would put up a fight against Mirajane lol, there are always going to be people who think certain characters are stronger than others, how is this hate on Mashima's part? Gray is even a main character, Mashima giving another main character better feats than Erza isn't an example of hate lol(not that I think Mashima did this)

Of course it was, and it should have been, Lucy vs Tartaros was one of the best moments in the entire manga imo, and Lucy deserved every single bit of it. As for Fairy Sphere being the entire climax of the manga.... yeah, so? Lucy is the main character, her and Natsu finishing the manga is exactly how it should have been.
As for what more I want from Lucy, I'd like quantity as well as quality, like what Natsu has. Lucy has two moments, Erza has about a dozen, Natsu has even more, them sharing that with Lucy would be good.
Erza has plently of feats of intelligence, probably more than Lucy, and even if she doesn't, Lucy may simply be outright smarter than she is.

So? We already got Erza's backstory, her fight with Minerva was an emotional moment that delved into their characters. It not being entirely about Erza is a good thing, you can oversaturate a character, and Erza was already close to that point. Any way you slice it, Erza had significantly more shine in Tartaros than Wendy, as she does in pretty much ever arc. Erza isn't even above Wendy in the plot hierarchy lol, they're both main characters, there is no reason Wendy can't have a big role in an arc.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Mashima himself said it that it has Sci-Fi elements, but it's more like a Space Fantasy rather than Sci-Fi.

In other words a science fantasy

 

[strikefreedom]

Well yes, where is the problem? If it had been shot any other way.

Lucy could have fought against elfman, knocked him out or at least paralyzed him and then fought against mira, made a real fight but lost against her.

Or lucy is on the verge of losing and that's where the Dragon eater arrives.

And it would've been a lot better because at least lucy would have had her fight in this arc, a real fight.

Rather than turned it into a humorous fight and then interrupting the fight for no reason, as a reminder skulionn and madmole were not in the same city and are not interested in lucy.

Tartaros was very good for lucy except the OS against Jackal, there too we could have had a real fight.

Alaverz all we asked is that lucy is entitled to fights.

She could have fought against Jacob and natsu only arrives at the end to help her.

Against neihart she could have won while natsu deals with the historia of Zero n marde and jackal as an example.

And against Brandish despite not being a real serious fight, this is what most resembles it and what we expect from lucy fights.

Me what I expect from lucy is not 50 fights but at least 2-3 fights in an arc, real serious fights, solo, not interrupted, not turned in humor, fights where she ends in blood and sweat and giving 100%.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Science fantasy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ramen]

@XXEliteXXAceXX @Kiki open the discussion thread

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Bruh, are you HomeVanilla?

OP fans wank the hell out of that "internal" damage...

Enel is continental level

Exauce and Yray

 

[Jko]

@XXEliteXXAceXX @Kiki open the discussion thread

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Enel is continental level

Exauce and Yray

Bruh... you trolled me good.

Exauce, SNBISBIS, Yray, and Shirso are lost causes lol.

 

[Ramen]

Bruh... you trolled me good.

Bro I said Enel is country level because someone said country in the scan.

But it's crazy when people say Sanji is above FH Zeref

Exauce, SNBISBIS, Yray, and Shirso are lost causes lol.

And Nranrou

 

[Jko]

Bro I said Enel is country level because someone said country in the scan.

And Nranrou

Tbf every OP wanker would say something like that. It's hard to detect a troll in the OP thread when you have like 7 people who will wank OP to the next level. It all makes sense now.

Ah yeah forgot about the new guy. That SeanKahi bastard was also crazy lol. Got my karma too high from false reporting so I can't debate anymore.

 

[yutu]

Tbf every OP wanker would say something like that. It's hard to detect a troll in the OP thread when you have like 7 people who will wank OP to the next level. It all makes sense now.

Ah yeah forgot about the new guy. That SeanKahi bastard was also crazy lol. Got my karma too high from false reporting so I can't debate anymore.

I saw ace vs natsu video or of course where it is who wins by forgetting that natsu can eat the fire of ace

 

[strikefreedom]

I saw ace vs natsu video or of course where it is who wins by forgetting that natsu can eat the fire of ace

Ate short Ace.

+ its immunity to fire.

It's the same with erza vs zoro, where she gets beaten very easily.

 

[Newperson00]

Kinda same for me, I on the other hand grew up on space and robots (Power rangers, Voltron, transformers, Grendizer, Tenchi muyo, etc). but could not get into EZ (just like you had interest at first, but lost interest as it went on), in fact I grew to dislike it. Some choices were awful, and constant shade thrown at FT by it fans and manga (DJ crews talk about "this is not fun and game adventure" and Happys "We won By Teamwork"). it fell into "Just another shonen" category (in worst way possible). in fact it uses stuff that was done better in other manga (among them FT as well)Cough Time reversal Cough. I meanly look at to see Hiros art and nothing more.
meanwhile here even after abysmal Alvarez arc I'm still invested, and some stuff was rewarded (Irene is back, Gruvia moment, Laxus vs Erza) even if there are hicups (Wrath, Wendy's Dragon Seal, Offpannel fights). FT is great when it is done good, when bad it is fun at how bad (FH Zeref). Ez just exists, I'm not even looking forward for the Anime.

I 100% agree Hiro's art was the only thing that was good for EZ

True + FH Zeref vs Acno vs Natsu would've been much better than the Christina chase we got T-T + Jellal's promise to take down Zeref never happend aswell.. so many things missing that would've made Alvarez a lot better it's also very annoying Mashima didn't try to fix the Anime he should have added & altered so many things instead of just adding a backstory for Acnologia and called it quits..

Also Irene deserved a lot better treatment in Alvarez hopefully in 100% she gets a lot of respect!

I agree Irene's return , Laxus vs Erza were the biggest highlights of 100 YQ so far + the Gurvia progression + Jerza for me Natsu vs Merc was Epic too I'm assuming that was his Finalized Dragon Force when Natsu eaten the Ignia's flames it reminded me of when Jellal gave Natsu the Flames of Rebuke to enter DF

I remember people were complaining back then when Mashima killed Irene & August I was happy when Irene showed up! it was well explained

 

[Dimitri1220]

Yeah lol.

MFTL multiversal Juudara? Lel. Naruto fans about to blow a head gasket if FT gets moon-planetary in the upcoming chapters.

Yoo what???? You're JDogg? Now it makes sense lmao

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Aldoron vs Enel amirite? I trolled you with that one.

Prime Rayleigh vs Saitama

Bruh those threads were...I'm not even going to talk about how bad they were lol

 

[Ramen]

Yoo what???? You're JDogg? Now it makes sense lmao

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Bruh those threads were...I'm not even going to talk about how bad they were lol

I made a new account named HomeVanilla. I pretended to be an OP wanker so I claimed Enel could one-shot Aldoron with Raigo and Kizaru solos any FT character.

 

[Newperson00]

The problem with Eden's Zero is that Mashima is basically writing and drawing a fantasy located into a sci fi world, and not a properly sci-fi.
By the way I too enjoyed the first chapters, then it gone down pretty fast as I recognized the same old Trollshima's game.

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The Games Arc is underrated while 100 Years Quest is way ovverrated imho.

I agree the first few chapters of EZ was interesting then it lost me
+ I'm still mad because Hiro rushed the final fights of Alvarez just so he can create EZ he said Alvarez was going to be the final arc ( Yet still didn't do it justice in the end ) just so he can make EZ

 

[Demon Hunter]

it makes you sad when you see how FT and EZ fandoms treat each other with such disgust

can't both both fandoms be happy those two series are running and not blame each other???

 

[Ramen]

it makes you sad when you see how FT and EZ fandoms treat each other with such disgust

Both series have their pros and cons.