One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

Ground Rules for the Power Level Discussion Thread
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As always, please follow the guidelines set by the Forum Rules that apply across the board.

It's important that discussions from a current chapter are spoiler tagged until 24h have passed from an english release.

• For the sake of constructive discussion, where and when possible please quote/ source any information you provide. Particularly when it comes to conversations carried over from other threads.
• Avoid passive agressive posts, sly remarks or baiting/trolling. You can certainly have fun or disagree without it being at someone's expense.
• Only use anime examples that are canon and as means to provide clarity to pages in the manga. Any other anime material is otherwise non-canon and should only be referenced if it can be proved that the mangaka had approved it.
• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

This is the only warning there'll be regarding these ground rules, anything no adhering will be removed. So please just check your posts before posting them.

 

[King Moe]

This topic is benched until you can provide a manga page or SBS or databook information to confirm that Law has CoC right now. The fact that it may be a possibility is irrelevant, because that can be said for many characters and any Ds that have appeared. You failing to see that makes you stubborn and means you don't get the point of this discussion. Which is exact same reason the Smoker debate was initially added on the list.

I don't want to know about traits, vibes, anime staff or how things go.

This isn't the same with Smoker on his side and I can give manga panel hints to show, but you probably state it is 'not official till Oda' said it is. Which I agree on that. Nothing on this is stubborn just same way to say Law will fight Kaido on rooftop where others were doubting and look what happen? If you can't open your mind on possibilities especially in story perspective, it hurts your side on being stubborn not on it.

I got the point, but just explaining situation.

 

[M3J]

If he gets COC and confirmed, your going to hurt yourself even more. If Kidd can have it, you got expect certain characters like that to have it. Your headcannons not helping you.

stfu with this, if Law has CoC, it's not gonna hurt albert at all because he never said Law DOES NOT have CoC, he said there's no proof he does. If someone said Luffy probably doesn't have CoC back in Sabaody Arc, then it wouldn't hurt their credibility at all because the manga did not make it clear until he used it on Marineford, if not on Amazon Lily.

However, if you keep insisting on Law having CoC, and he doesn't have it, it hurts your already-low credibility. Stop it. Don't make claims if you can't or won't provide proof when asked. I even looked it up on OP Wiki, and it didn't even mention any hint of him having CoC. You should actually make this into a rule - either stop making claims if you won't or can't back them up, or admit when you're wrong.



Anyway, I'm not sure if it's wise to compare Zoro to Luffy in terms of power since they do damage in different ways. Luffy does blunt attacks with his hands and feet, so it'd take him longer to beat the same Hodi that Zoro beat. However, because Zoro uses swords, all he needs is well-placed 3 slashes to take out an opponent in one blow, like he did against Hodi and even Mr. 1. Zoro could have more damaging power than Luffy but still be weaker than him overall.

 

[goldb]

This isn't the same with Smoker on his side and I can give manga panel hints to show, but you probably state it is 'not official till Oda' said it is. Which I agree on that. Nothing on this is stubborn just same way to say Law will fight Kaido on rooftop where others were doubting and look what happen? If you can't open your mind on possibilities especially in story perspective, it hurts your side on being stubborn not on it.

I got the point, but just explaining situation.

You really didn't read a single thing I wrote, did you?

 

[Nie Li]

Let's get something straight for anyone who might not get it: There's an intelligent way to use a wiki. Wiki articles have sources that anyone can use to verify the information.

And yes, wikis are more trustworthy than anything you have provided this whole week for your wild claims, @King Moe.

 

[King Moe]

Let's get something straight for anyone who might not get it: There's an intelligent way to use a wiki. Wiki articles have sources that anyone can use to verify the information.

And yes, wikis are more trustworthy than anything you have provided this whole week for your wild claims, @King Moe.

When I used wiki last time, I was told it's headcannon to use website that can be change by anyone. So been using more manga or SBS for proof. Not my fault I was told not to use them and now you tell me they are credible.

Nothing wild about it as Law went to fight Kaido like I stated prior, but got called 'headcannon' due to Law not beating Doffy. Characters get stronger each arc. We shouldn't underestimate that.

 

[Nie Li]

When I used wiki last time, I was told it's headcannon to use website that can be change by anyone. So been using more manga or SBS for proof. Not my fault I was told not to use them and now you tell me they are credible.

Nothing wild about it as Law went to fight Kaido like I stated prior, but got called 'headcannon' due to Law not beating Doffy. Character's get stronger each arc. We shouldn't underestimate that.

I said there's an intelligent way to use wikis. That means there's also an unintelligent way to use them.

 

[M3J]

When I used wiki last time, I was told it's headcannon to use website that can be change by anyone. So been using more manga or SBS for proof. Not my fault I was told not to use them and now you tell me they are credible.

Nothing wild about it as Law went to fight Kaido like I stated prior, but got called 'headcannon' due to Law not beating Doffy. Character's get stronger each arc. We shouldn't underestimate that.

... They are credible based on the source itself. If OP Wiki says something and there's no source, then it's likely not true. If it says something outlandish but there's actually a credible source, like a manga panel, then it's likely true.

 

[XXGenesis]

Something I’ve noted for a time; When I started to read/watch One Piece again.

How effective are elemental attacks??
Im keeping it broad for all elements; Real question is how effective is Electicity/Lighting??

When Nami got her Climac-tact or w/e, & they entered Skypedia. I remember Nami unlocking Electricity with her tool & frying the crew; Luffy aside. It was effective, it left the crew hurt & damaged..not lethal but it was effective.

Then we had Enel frying everyone dropping them.

So nami is about to face off against Ulti. We know Zesus is going to be her upgrade andgot a glimpse of what she can do with Zesus.

Im curious on other perspective on how effective. Lighting is as an elemental attack

 

[M3J]

Something I’ve noted for a time; When I started to read/watch One Piece again.

How effective are elemental attacks??
Im keeping it broad for all elements; Real question is how effective is Electicity/Lighting??

When Nami got her Climac-tact or w/e, & they entered Skypedia. I remember Nami unlocking Electricity with her tool & frying the crew; Luffy aside. It was effective, it left the crew hurt & damaged..not lethal but it was effective.

Then we had Enel frying everyone dropping them.

So nami is about to face off against Ulti. We know Zesus is going to be her upgrade andgot a glimpse of what she can do with Zesus.

Im curious on other perspective on how effective. Lighting is as an elemental attack

I think it depends? Like, Enel's attacks took out even Zoro while Sanji and Usopp were out for a while, while Nami's lightning wouldn't take any of the three down. It doesn't seem to be as strong as Enel's attacks. Zeus might not be as strong against Ulti because of her durability as a zoan, but it depends. I don't know how much voltage Zeus can put out compared to Enel, but it did seem to do some damage to Big Mom. Who knows if Enel could do that kind of damage?

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I know it's "banned" topic...but is there any real way even the biggest Zoro stan can say he's stronger than Luffy anymore? Zoro cut Kaido, but didn't really hurt him, while Luffy is fighting evenly with Kaido on the roof. I think this one is over (until Zoro can master CoC haki that is, lol).

There is a way, the only reason Zoro is down for the count is he took a combined yonkouattack to buy time. That wrecked him up so bad, Law was shocked that he can still move, yet deliver a powerful blow to kaidou. the first time Luffy was hit directly with a yonkouattack he was down for some hours.

Of course this is all speculative. Right now Luffy is probably stronger. If he defeats kaidou its pretty much confirmed.

 

[albertwv]

I think it depends? Like, Enel's attacks took out even Zoro while Sanji and Usopp were out for a while, while Nami's lightning wouldn't take any of the three down. It doesn't seem to be as strong as Enel's attacks. Zeus might not be as strong against Ulti because of her durability as a zoan, but it depends. I don't know how much voltage Zeus can put out compared to Enel, but it did seem to do some damage to Big Mom. Who knows if Enel could do that kind of damage?

I think Enel's lightning is stronger than Zeus'. Or at least more deadlier in the way Enel used it compared to BM handling Zeus or even Nami. BM can use Zeus and maybe now Hera, for a wider destruction or so but Enel if he awakens his DF would probably be way deadlier. If we already saw what he could do in Skypiea with his lightning, which makes me wonder, what if Enel had already awakened it like this panel shows:

If that wasnt awakened then imagine Enel with awakened DF. Sidenote somewhat relevant: i wish the Straw Hats had gone to Raijin Island where thunderbolts were raining down nonstop. I wanted to see an adventure there and maybe a return of Enel would be perfect there. I dislike how Oda never explained the actions of the SN in their journeys in the NW right before the TS. Like what did Urouge do when he reached Raijin Island, what sucked Bege's ship into the sky, how did Apoo start to run on air to escape the boar, and what happened between Drake vs Scotch....etc.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I know it's "banned" topic...but is there any real way even the biggest Zoro stan can say he's stronger than Luffy anymore? Zoro cut Kaido, but didn't really hurt him, while Luffy is fighting evenly with Kaido on the roof. I think this one is over (until Zoro can master CoC haki that is, lol).

Zoro stans don’t work with logic. Luffy has basically become a fully fledged top tier, he’s significantly stronger than any Straw Hat and Supernova right now.

 

[M3J]

I think Enel's lightning is stronger than Zeus'. Or at least more deadlier in the way Enel used it compared to BM handling Zeus or even Nami. BM can use Zeus and maybe now Hera, for a wider destruction or so but Enel if he awakens his DF would probably be way deadlier. If we already saw what he could do in Skypiea with his lightning, which makes me wonder, what if Enel had already awakened it like this panel shows:

If that wasnt awakened then imagine Enel with awakened DF. Sidenote somewhat relevant: i wish the Straw Hats had gone to Raijin Island where thunderbolts were raining down nonstop. I wanted to see an adventure there and maybe a return of Enel would be perfect there. I dislike how Oda never explained the actions of the SN in their journeys in the NW right before the TS. Like what did Urouge do when he reached Raijin Island, what sucked Bege's ship into the sky, how did Apoo start to run on air to escape the boar, and what happened between Drake vs Scotch....etc.

I agree, Enel used his lightning much better. Dude took out an entire group of strong fighters while Big Mom was unable to do that, for whichever reason. Though to be fair, Big Mom's fruit power isn't lightning like Enel's is.

I think it was awakened, given the range of his powers.

 

[jaymizzo]

Zoro stans don’t work with logic. Luffy has basically become a fully fledged top tier, he’s significantly stronger than any Straw Hat and Supernova right now.

It's always been wishful thinking. You know a fanbase is lost when they ignore their fanfavourites own self estimation.

 

[Critical mindset]

AdCoC

 

[Fox666]

Smoke and sparks has always been used for any sort of attack.

 

[Critical mindset]

Smoke and sparks has always been used for any sort of attack.

No, how can Sanji's leg break from that so easily Vergo is not even using his leg to break when he blocks with the fucking patela? Vergo looks like this is jsut anohter day or him. It's fucking adCoC

 

[Fox666]

Why would you ever conclude that?

There's a black lightning trail whenever CoC hardening is used. There's zero reason to assume someone like Vergo could use it.

Besides it's an extremely rare technique, which only the strongest in the world have used. Breaking Sanji's leg back in Punk Hazard is not an extraordinary feat.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Besides it's an extremely rare technique, which only the strongest in the world have used.

To be fair, that was also said first over haki and then CoC.

 

[Critical mindset]

Why would you ever conclude that?

There's a black lightning trail whenever CoC hardening is used. There's zero reason to assume someone like Vergo could use it.

Besides it's an extremely rare technique, which only the strongest in the world have used. Breaking Sanji's leg back in Punk Hazard is not an extraordinary feat.

Yes it is extraordinary feat to break Sanji's leg the way he did it. If you kicked like that with all your might and someone blocked like that, you would break your shit pretty fucking bad

Like 2 days ago the exact same thing happened to Weidman in UFC that it did to Anderson Silvia

Look how he does a low angle kick, and of course the block with patella, he beaks fucking bad
what Vergo did is the definition of extraordinary. Sanji used fucking armament hardening and Vergo still broke him. Sanji clashed with BM ffs lol but cant clash wiht Vergo lmao