Semifinal Reinhard van Astrea vs. Vegeta

[Hardy]

While I understand you mean well in linking me to post where you explain it. Nevermind. I'm looking for a neutral party explain it. If it doesn't have a name, that fine there should be some explinaion of it somewhere. Because I think your vision is not as clear as you believe it to be.

For example. It is not immortality. No matter how many times you try and give that ability to Reinhard. As long as he ages. He, by the very definition of the word, does not have that ability. You can't be immortal if you naturally die. There are higher forms than that. But that's like the minimum requirement to meet the definition. Unless he does not have a lifespan. Reinhard is not immortal.

If it works exactly as you describe it would be "invulnerability" of both the soul and the existence. Which are two separate things. The former of which would defend against Hakai as I understand it. The latter would not.

Doesn't matter he can get an anti Hakai blessing.

 

[Jammin]

Doesn't matter he can get an anti Hakai blessing.

From what I read, Od Laguna can only give blessings about things it knows. So things from outside of the ReZero world are somewhat outside of it's reach.

Point of clarifications though. This is Od Laguna. Not Reinhard. Reinhard doesn't have to know anything. As it's his big crystal sugar daddy that does they heavy lifting. It's an Alfred/Batman situation.

 

[Lambu]

While I understand you mean well in linking me to post where you explain it. Nevermind. I'm looking for a neutral party explain it. If it doesn't have a name, that fine there should be some explinaion of it somewhere. Because I think your vision is not as clear as you believe it to be.

For example. It is not immortality. No matter how many times you try and give that ability to Reinhard. As long as he ages. He, by the very definition of the word, does not have that ability. You can't be immortal if you naturally die. There are higher forms than that. But that's like the minimum requirement to meet the definition. Unless he does not have a lifespan. Reinhard is not immortal.

If it works exactly as you describe it would be "invulnerability" of both the soul and the existence. Which are two separate things. The former of which would defend against Hakai as I understand it. The latter would not.

Well, a soul that cannot be destroyed and a body that can respawn everytime it dies is pretty much immortality in my eyes. If it isnt to yours I cannot convince you.

My point is he cannot be eliminated through means like Hakai, as long as that goes through its fine.

 

[Hardy]

From what I read, Od Laguna can only give blessings about things it knows. So things from outside of the ReZero world are somewhat outside of it's reach.

Point of clarifications though. This is Od Laguna. Not Reinhard. Reinhard doesn't have to know anything. As it's his big crystal sugar daddy that does they heavy lifting.

He can get a Dragon Ball Super Manga curse blessing so Od Laguna reads about it a bit.

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Well, a soul that cannot be destroyed and a body that can respawn everytime it dies is pretty much immortality in my eyes. If it isnt to yours I cannot convince you.

My point is he cannot be eliminated through means like Hakai, as long as that goes through its fine.

Mortality is being able to die. He can die, he is just brought back up.

But he can get a dictionary blessing and rewrite the meanings of words.

 

[Jammin]

Well, a soul that cannot be destroyed and a body that can respawn everytime it dies is pretty much immortality in my eyes. If it isnt to yours I cannot convince you.

My point is he cannot be eliminated through means like Hakai, as long as that goes through its fine.

It's not about what I think. It's the literal definition. The english word "Immortality" does not mean that. Google it.

But, yeah, not being immortal doesn't mean he can't defend against it. He just has to have an ability negates all damage or destruction of the soul.

 

[Lambu]

From what I read, Od Laguna can only give blessings about things it knows. So things from outside of the ReZero world are somewhat outside of it's reach.

Point of clarifications though. This is Od Laguna. Not Reinhard. Reinhard doesn't have to know anything. As it's his big crystal sugar daddy that does they heavy lifting.

Od Laguna will give him any blessing and create new ones to counter his opponent if Rein needs them, the handicap you are giving it is your conjecture.

As for the immortality I feel like its a play of words, but fine. Lets say he "can die but not" lol

 

[Seven777]

Cringing a bit too much at Lak's post now.



ScALiNG

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He can't do it, anything else is your headcanon.

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Reinhard can move as fast as he wants if it doesnt damage his surroundings but his best feat is defeating with ease someone that can move close to light speed.

He has good enough reaction to walk in the rain without getting hit by raindrops too, but the first feat is better.

So not fast enough to hit Vegeta then.

Still waiting on that example of conceptual destruction. I'm not seeing anything that's hurting Vegeta.

And if the attack being unavoidable can hit Reinhard, Vegeta could just nuke him with a blast so large his speed isn't capable of dodging it.

 

[Hardy]

So not fast enough to hit Vegeta then.

Still waiting on that example of conceptual destruction. I'm not seeing anything that's hurting Vegeta.

And if the attack being unavoidable can hit Reinhard, Vegeta could just nuke him with a blast so large his speed isn't capable of dodging it.

He has an anti nuke blessing.

What I don't get is why Lambu kept making fun of things like HAHA BROLLY HAS MAXIMUM POWER but then he nominated "It's Erza" with infinite genie lamps '-'

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Any magicplayers here? Reinhard getting destroyed. Going to to the graveyard. comes back thanks to blessing.

reinhard getting exiled thanks to hakai. hes done.

Thats my magicruleset that applies in my mind.

Even so, if take every universe rules as absolut, like Od Laguna being allpowerful, the Dragonballrule would be: Power trumps all.

In the end its really like i said, Vegeta blows up the universe where reinhard is located and its game over.

 

[Hardy]

Any magicplayers here? Reinhard getting destroyed. Going to to the graveyard. comes back thanks to blessing.

reinhard getting exiled thanks to hakai. hes done.

Thats my magicruleset that applies in my mind.

Even so, if take every universe rules as absolut, like Od Laguna being allpowerful, the Dragonballrule would be: Power trumps all.

In the end its really like i said, Vegeta blows up the universe where reinhard is located and its game over.

How does Hakai touch him?

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Vegeta can't even blow up and tie because rein will be just resurrected in the middle of space and then be blessed to live in another world.

 

[Seven777]

He has an anti nuke blessing.

What I don't get is why Lambu kept making fun of things like HAHA BROLLY HAS MAXIMUM POWER but then he nominated "It's Erza" with infinite genie lamps '-'

As I understand it that blessing is for a literal nuclear bomb, not attacks with high AoE.

Didn't pay much attention to the Broly thread, but I agree that every series has bullshit, fancy words and plot convenience, ReZero is no different.

 

[Hardy]

As I understand it that blessing is for a literal nuclear bomb, not attacks with high AoE.

Didn't pay much attention to the Broly thread, but I agree that every series has bullshit, fancy words and plot convenience, ReZero is no different.

It was a joke.

Only the madoka character can beat him by rewriting his existence, although maybe he can get an illiterate blessing to counter it.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

How does Hakai touch him?

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Vegeta can't even blow up and tie because rein will be just resurrected in the middle of space and then be blessed to live in another world.

Hakai is literally a godly attack kinda similar to authorizations and that trumps/ignores blessing from what i understand so far. Even if there is a blessing thats protects him it gets destroyed by hakai, since it even destroys intanglible objects such as souls.

 

[Hardy]

Hakai is literally a godly attack kinda similar to authorizations and that trumps/ignores blessing from what i understand so far. Even if there is a blessing thats protects him it gets destroyed by hakai, since it even destroys intanglible objects such as souls.

No? Vegeta is not a god and he learnt Hakai. Nothing says Gods don't follow universal rules either

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What I meant was that he can dodge Hakai forever btw.

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Fission would be a great counter but for that he'd need to land a hit which he can't.

 

[Blakestnight666]

No? Vegeta is not a god and he learnt Hakai. Nothing says Gods don't follow universal rules either

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What I meant was that he can dodge Hakai forever btw.

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Fission would be a great counter but for that he'd need to land a hit which he can't.

the thing is Reinhard isn't universal. No one re zero is universal. Hell the likes of midora would one shot rezero verse

 

[Jammin]

It was a joke.

Only the madoka character can beat him by rewriting his existence, although maybe he can get an illiterate blessing to counter it.

Nah there are quite a few that can. Madara, Aizen. Maybe Vegeta. Haven't had the time to hunt down an unbiased explanation of this existence reinforcement yet.

He is vulnerable to buff removal, getting transported into another dimension, time manipulation (in a way), and the god tier debuffs, anything that seperates him from Od Laguna too. Blessings or Divine Protections actually have a power limit on them too. They can't be as powerful as ReZero authorities or similar powers. For example his fire immunity doesn't actually make him completely immune to fire. It make him 80% immune to fire. Even his "makes the first attack miss" skill isn't as absolute as that according to the wiki anyway.

The Divine Protection of First Sight (初見の加護 Hatsumi no Kago) is used by Reinhard van Astrea. It enables the user to instinctively know how to counter or dodge attacks that they experience for the first time including ambushes and surprise attacks. But if the user is unable to physically avoid or counter the attack, the Divine Protection will not activate.

So if he can't dodge it the ability won't activate at all. Most of his abilities seem to be like that. There is usually something in the fine print. His abilities are more buff stacking than godhood.

 

[Nie Li]

the thing is Reinhard isn't universal. No one re zero is universal. Hell the likes of midora would one shot rezero verse

Midora, who low-difs Broly, has nothing on Reinhard. There are many more things to a fight than raw powerlevels.

 

[Hardy]

the thing is Reinhard isn't universal. No one re zero is universal. Hell the likes of midora would one shot rezero verse

Lambu did say he split the universe in half.

In any case, so? He can wish to be universal or be a forever reviving pest forcing a tie AT BEST for vegeta.

 

[Blakestnight666]

Midora, who low-difs Broly, has nothing on Reinhard. There are many more things to a fight than raw powerlevels.

I think i already answered your questions in the broly thread. And you ran away so i have nothing to say to you

 

[Hardy]

The Divine Protection of First Sight (初見の加護 Hatsumi no Kago) is used by Reinhard van Astrea. It enables the user to instinctively know how to counter or dodge attacks that they experience for the first time including ambushes and surprise attacks. But if the user is unable to physically avoid or counter the attack, the Divine Protection will not activate.

So if he can't dodge it. The ability won't activate at all. Most of his ablities seem to be like that. There is usually something in the fine print.

We had Master Roshi dodge attacks from Jiren, everything is dodgable...

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Oh no this guy again