One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

I mean somewhat but it’s a pretty simple style of fighting
Yamato’s style just translates well , she was casually tying with gear 2 and 3 luffy and has shown very advanced haki techniques
And ate a barrage of king haki coating attack from kaido

But where did she take a barrage of them? I reread the whole fight. She doesn't take TB head on without any form of defense.

But to the original point.

This same advantage happened to Ace to a degree. He fought Whitebeard 100 times and because of this, each fight lasted longer and longer until Whitebeard was forced to use his Gura Gura no mi to defeat Ace.
Ace was even able to burn Whitebeard.

Ace had the advantage of experience even though he was weaker than WB's commanders because he got to personally fight WB so often.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

But where did she take a barrage of them? I reread the whole fight. She doesn't take TB head on without any form of defense.

But to the original point.

This same advantage happened to Ace to a degree. He fought Whitebeard 100 times and because of this, each fight lasted longer and longer until Whitebeard was forced to use his Gura Gura no mi to defeat Ace.
Ace was even able to burn Whitebeard.

Ace had the advantage of experience even though he was weaker than WB's commanders because he got to personally fight WB so often.

This is the barrage , coated in kings haki
Kaido gets a clean hit and then raises his hand up to keep on going and hitting Yamato

also ace was noted to have gotten considerably over time from fighting whitebeard so the point was moot , he was getting trained to also get stronger

 

[GL_Nova]

This is the barrage , coated in kings haki
Kaido gets a clean hit and then raises his hand up to keep on going and hitting Yamato

also ace was noted to have gotten considerably over time from fighting whitebeard so the point was moot , he was getting trained to also get stronger

I mean, fighting the strongest man in the world over and over will have that effect.

 

[Ellenate]

So you don't think she has ANY advantage having fought Kaido consistently over 2 decades?

Stupidity isn't a merit-

If the alliance weren't full of idiots, they could've learnt more about kaido too...

if you don't know what your opponent does, 9 times out of 10, they'll one-shot you.


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It's like saying someone had an unfair advantage over you in a videogame cause they read what the buttons did. you should've read them too...

#yamatogang

 

[Pirate Queen]

Stupidity isn't a merit-

If the alliance weren't full of idiots, they could've learnt more about kaido too...

if you don't know what your opponent does, 9 times out of 10, they'll one-shot you.


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It's like saying someone had an unfair advantage over you in a videogame cause they read what the buttons did. you should've read them too...

#yamatogang

Right but if you played Mario for 20 years your going to last longer than someone who has only played it 2 times.

#alsoyamatogang

 

[I Am Atomic]

Right but if you played Mario for 20 years your going to last longer than someone who has only played it 2 times.

#alsoyamatogang

Depends. If you are the MC or not, of the former then you will automatically win.

Kaido has been using CoC for probably 20+years.
Luffy been using for 30 mins max.
They are evenly matched.

P.s. Not serious discussion btw....just wanted to annoy u smirk

 

[Pirate Queen]

Depends. If you are the MC or not, of the former then you will automatically win.

Kaido has been using CoC for probably 20+years.
Luffy been using for 30 mins max.
They are evenly matched.

P.s. Not serious discussion btw....just wanted to annoy u smirk

Right.

Naruto went from a Kage level to God level in 1 chapter so MC's are a different story

You could never annoy me Barrier-kun


Unless you think, Luffy isn't Yonko level?

 

[I Am Atomic]

Unless you think, Luffy isn't Yonko level?

Sheet!

I do think he is Yonko level....the weakest one ofc. He won't win against any Yonko 1v1 (both fresh). But no YC1 stands a chance against him (except Ben Beckmann). This is how I see it btw, not a fact.

 

[Fox666]

Naruto went from a Kage level to God level in 1 chapter so MC's are a different story

Don't remind me.

 

[LadyVados]

Your previous post said anyone with AdCoC. Now it's just anyone with CoC. So which is it?

And once you clarify that, support your claim with manga panels and give us proof that that would be the case.

Typo

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lol, rayleigh was in his peak and marco was not even close to his level today, and he stopping kizaru's kick its not something that relevant, marco stopped a strong attack from kizaru in marineford, luffy is much stronger than rayleight nowdays, and maybe already above rayleigh level in his peak, can you see rayleigh putting a fight like luffy is doing and split the skies nowdays? not even close, lmao...

A lot of people in the fandom consider Rayleigh above the current Yonko

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Sheet!

I do think he is Yonko level....the weakest one ofc. He won't win against any Yonko 1v1 (both fresh). But no YC1 stands a chance against him (except Ben Beckmann). This is how I see it btw, not a fact.

Marco has put up a fight against Kizaru who is still > Luffy imo so Marco would definitely give Luffy a good fight.

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Luffy is the only one successfully putting in lasting damage to Kaido? It's still not enough.

Come now that's just a blatant lie

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So King AdCoC confirmed. I guess all the people saying he wasn't a top tier can shut up now. He's stronger Marco who could hold his own against Big Mom, Kizaru, Akainu.

He is very much up there and AdCoC (which he is likely more skilled with than Luffy do too likely having it for years), means he could likely be a threat to a Yonko.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Typo

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A lot of people in the fandom consider Rayleigh above the current Yonko

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Marco has put up a fight against Kizaru who is still > Luffy imo so Marco would definitely give Luffy a good fight.

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Come now that's just a blatant lie

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So King AdCoC confirmed. I guess all the people saying he wasn't a top tier can shut up now. He's stronger Marco who could hold his own against Big Mom, Kizaru, Akainu.

He is very much up there and AdCoC (which he is likely more skilled with than Luffy do too likely having it for years), means he could likely be a threat to a Yonko.

How are you going to call me a liar and then say King has Advanced CoC?

You have lost all credibility

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Sheet!

I do think he is Yonko level....the weakest one ofc. He won't win against any Yonko 1v1 (both fresh). But no YC1 stands a chance against him (except Ben Beckmann). This is how I see it btw, not a fact.

Man I’ll go farther , I don’t think luffy can defeat the OG admirals in a one on one yet
I do think however after this arc he gives all of them high/extreme difficulty in a fight

 

[LadyVados]

Man I’ll go farther , I don’t think luffy can defeat the OG admirals in a one on one yet
I do think however after this arc he gives all of them high/extreme difficulty in a fight

Therefore he's still some sort of YC1, since IMO Marco can give Admirals High diff too. Based on what we saw in Marineford.

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How are you going to call me a liar and then say King has Advanced CoC?

You have lost all credibility

Can't you see the black lightning in that photo ? In fact, it Kinda looks like Zoro's swords aren't touching King's wing too but that might just be the drawing quality.

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Also I would like to say that Kaido has been explicitly confirmed to be weakened.

A weakened Kaido loses to any fresh Admiral or Yonko.

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Beating a Yonko means you're Yonko level. It's as simple as that. Once Luffy defeats a foe his level effectively becomes that of said foe or above (he would obviously beat Katakuri fairly as he is now)

Using that logic wouldn't King be Yonko level for beating Big Mom...

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Honestly if Big Mom loses to Kidd and Law it would be more an anti-feat for Big Mom than any kind of feat for the two of them, considering how underwhelming they've both been up to this point.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Marco has put up a fight against Kizaru who is still > Luffy imo so Marco would definitely give Luffy a good fight.

Marco would put up a good fight against everyone, that's the nature of his fruit. But since he can't use advanced COC he will be defeated eventually.

Man I’ll go farther , I don’t think luffy can defeat the OG admirals in a one on one yet
I do think however after this arc he gives all of them high/extreme difficulty in a fight

You believe Admirals = Yonko, but how can they match Yonko's without advanced CoC? If they do have a method, then yes I agree.
WB wasn't using advanced CoC btw since he was too sick.

 

[LadyVados]

Marco would put up a good fight against everyone, that's the nature of his fruit. But since he can't use advanced COC he will be defeated eventually.

All high-level fighters have their strengths which pose their own unique challenges.

Marco has endurance.

Kata has FS and can drown people in Mochi.

Zoro has ridiculous attack power that can seriously injure anyone in the verse.

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Luffy is yonko level already and I suppose the problem is some taking that to mean he would automatically beat any yonko. He's definitely the weakest of the yonko right now, and will remain so for quite some time. Beating Kaido would not change that fact, just like how Luffy beating Katakuri made him YC1 level but not stronger than Katakuri (or any of them at the time imo).

I don't agree with this reasoning. Tiers are a spectrum, not discrete points. To be at a tier you have to be equal to the weakest person in that tier, otherwise you're merely very high up in the next lowest tier.

If you lose to every YC1 you are still High YC2.

If you lose to every admiral or Yonko you are still High YC1.

 

[Ellenate]

#alsoyamatogang

My bad, i mistook you for a heathen.

I don’t think luffy can defeat the OG admirals in a one on one yet

Tbh i think pre admirals fall off HARD with the introduction of haki.

Current Luffy takes all of them (pre) except maybe kizaru- if he keeps his distance and spams lasers.

 

[LadyVados]

Current Luffy takes all of them (pre) except maybe kizaru- if he keeps his distance and spams lasers.

Honestly if Kizaru keeps his distance and spams lasers he could maybe beat anybody.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Honestly if Kizaru keeps his distance and spams lasers he could maybe beat anybody.

Luffy already dodged Lasers quite easily, he hasnt even had FS at that time. That wouldnt exactly get Luffy.

 

[I Am Atomic]

All high-level fighters have their strengths which pose their own unique challenges.

Marco has endurance.

Kata has FS and can drown people in Mochi.

Zoro has ridiculous attack power that can seriously injure anyone in the verse.

Yeah but you didn't read what I wrote.

Marco can put a decent fight with anyone. Literally anyone. Others can't do that.
Kaido can blitz Katakuri and one shot him. Kaido can blitz Marco and cut him in half, but he will regenerate back. That's the difference.

 

[Fallou]

Therefore he's still some sort of YC1, since IMO Marco can give Admirals High diff too. Based on what we saw in Marineford.

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Can't you see the black lightning in that photo ? In fact, it Kinda looks like Zoro's swords aren't touching King's wing too but that might just be the drawing quality.

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Also I would like to say that Kaido has been explicitly confirmed to be weakened.

A weakened Kaido loses to any fresh Admiral or Yonko.

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Using that logic wouldn't King be Yonko level for beating Big Mom...

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Honestly if Big Mom loses to Kidd and Law it would be more an anti-feat for Big Mom than any kind of feat for the two of them, considering how underwhelming they've both been up to this point.

Eeer.. When did King beat BM?