Chapter Tower of God Chapter 530 Spoilers & Discussion

[Cinera]

@Demonspeed, @Lady pompom: please pin.

 

[Jyu viole grace]

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Translated chapter (by alpha scans)---

Tower Of God Chapter 530 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[O_n_Sly]

Are you seriously comparing WW and the creature? We know a lot about WW but not about the creature which apparently even Traumerai can't control.And SIU introduced this plot point for some reason.I believe it is the creature that is sealed in the suspendium.Okay let's see unless SIU diverts the plot again,we will hopefully see what it is next week.

Lmfao did you read the current chapter? Are you paying attention at all this arc? Maschenny has no idea what’s in there! The being is speaking telepathically to Baam and says it’s shinsu and that only the 10 GWs are the only ones that know of it! So it cannot be beast in the fb because Kirin knows about the beast in the fb!!!

 

[Arjuna]

Lmfao did you read the current chapter? Are you paying attention at all this arc? Maschenny has no idea what’s in there! The being is speaking telepathically to Baam and says it’s shinsu and that only the 10 GWs are the only ones that know of it! So it cannot be beast in the fb because Kirin knows about the beast in the fb!!!

Oh Did i mention about Maschenny knowing it?Or do you actually see Kirin hearing it?No...


Kirin was talking to Traumerai about the creature,it may very well mean Traumerai himself mentioned about the creature to him in the past.Nothing extraordinary about it.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Oh Did i mention about Maschenny knowing it?Or do you actually see Kirin hearing it?No...


Kirin was talking to Traumerai about the creature,it may very well mean Traumerai himself mentioned about the creature to him in the past.Nothing extraordinary about it.

I mentioned Mas because she’s revered and respected by her FH. So if indeed Traum spoke about it with Kirin, why wouldn’t Mas know about it from her FH who actually respects her???

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Again I have no idea how one gets seal out of the word rid but I’m guessing English is not your 1st language

 

[Arjuna]

I mentioned Mas because she’s revered and respected by her FH. So if indeed Traum spoke about it with Kirin, why wouldn’t Mas know about it from her FH who actually respects her???

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Again I have no idea how one gets seal out of the word rid but I’m guessing English is not your 1st language

English is my first language but seriously "getting rid" doesn't have to be killing something.It can mean other things
Here for your explanation I am copy pasting a certain sentence from Merriam Dictionary

"He stayed on talking and talking. She finally got rid of him by saying she had to make dinner"

 

[O_n_Sly]

Switching gears going back to the FoD I find it interesting that Gustang never took care of HJ himself. He didn’t even enter the Floor until HJ was defeated and RID of the Thryssa! He also says White had another purpose! I originally thought it was for Baam to absorb his power, but now I’m thinking Gustang was in cahoots with Vicente! Crazy how White couldn’t leave FoD because of a powerful spell but Vicente can now unlock a powerful spell of similar degree

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 15, 2022, Original Post Date: Feb 15, 2022 ---

Knowing how Gustang feels about insects and irregulars, he was most likely talking to a FH via the radio in the Workshop!

 

[Cinera]

(i personally think kallavan is stronger than owl or rest since they aren't doing much against jinsung even if owl didn't have his eagle bird he still has holand who is a high ranker by his side and he still can't do much)

Pudidy without his Eagle Owl is like Dokoko without his Windbird. The Eagle Owl might constitute the supermajority of Pudidy's combat ability.

since baam defeated white and gain his soul power on top of that , Baam should be more than twice as strong as post power up kallavan
I highly doubt maschenny is 2 times or more stronger than kallavan

Well, Maschenny is most likely aware that Baam defeated White. And even after that, she said that he was too weak to join hands with her.

than he was wrong. And that shouldn't sit well with people. As different and varied as we all are, as our opinions vary, we should all be on the same page in not wanting Sly to be right about things. I think we can all at least find common-ground there.

Sorry, all bets are off if Sly jumps on the Maschenny hype train.

It still makes me laugh that this guy is right hand man of adori............

There HAS to be more to it than that.

Adori would have to know the powers of each, yet she set them on a collision course?

Adori is such a poor strategist or supervisor to appoint someone vastly underqualified for the task at hand? (she has a bad 'picker'?)

He wasn't ever mentioned to be Adori's Right Hand, that was just incredibly popular fanon. All that Yasratcha said was that he worked under Adori:

Spoiler

There was never any implication that he was a top lieutenant or particularly distinguished subordinate of hers.

Lyborick was a black ops officer for the Army before his appointment as a Corps Commander. Nothing more.


Also, it wasn't Adori that made him Corps Commander or approved of the request to destroy the old 4th Army Corps and replace it with a new Lo Po Bia Army Corps. That was the Administration and at the request of the Lo Po Bia Family:

Spoiler

Lyborick was only chosen as a Corps Commander due to politics.

 

[Big-Bird]

BB: argues about what's in the wiki articles
Me: shows him that's not the case
...
BB: and why should I concern myself with wiki articles?



Yup, seems legit.

Anywho, the sources are in fact linked (in each article). But at the very least there are wiki authors that see things my way.

Edit: At some point you'll have to accept all we have is what the loose definitions of things are, and then the meaning of words. A beast in the tower is a beast in the tower. An animal is a beast. An elephant is an animal. Even if can control fire. Not all shinheuh are the same. There seem to be different sizes, levels, ages, animal types, etc. I mean, crystal fish aren't exactly real animals any more than a giant elemental minotaur is. And yet they are both classified as shinheuh as they are types of creatures one can find in the tower. As opposed to humanoids.

A shinheuh is a creature in the tower. All creatures in the tower are made up of, and rely on shinsoo. Hence, the name 'shinheuh' is related to this fact (the 'divine' in the name). Give me an example of something that's in the tower that isn't an irregular and isn't made up and reliant on shinsoo...

There's not going to be some blog from SIU stating precisely what he means when he says 'beast' or animal or what the definition of 'is' is...

I mean, I even include the quotes from the wiki which have the references (blogs, chapters) cited. If you don't agree with the sources by all means explain why. But at this point you're just arguing 'muh wikipedia dumb' and throwing your hands up.

You started with the articles i only followed you in the field and noticed the problem later. the classifications i refer to here and criticize are not sourced so i don't care what they say

I've asked you to prove that Ancient are shinneuh. It's not complicated (did you read it? I conceded the part about bete and creature)
- Knowing that they can manipulate shinsoo (something almost no shinheuh can do except for the windbird (and even then it can only dematerialize) and the rhinoceros and maybe the Traum beast)

-That they can exist as spiritual parasites (something no known shinneuh can do) Fenryl and the other spirits don't count they are not comparable the ancients are an external source, they are an internal source.

-And that they can give properties to shinsoo meaning they have shinsu qualities ( elphant= fire, buffalo= plant stuff) ( again something no shinheuh has)

I'm just asking you to prove that the ancients who are never considered shinneuh or even implied to be shinneuh have certain characteristics that shinheuh don't have and even for some are only found in humans and other evolved species in the tower. I'm just asking you to prove that the ancients are shinneuh like the Wiki that you quoted. I'm not asking you to do anything complicated now do it.

about the argument from authority let's see what it is if you don't mind.
Well I'll just use that.

An argument from authority , also called an appeal to authority, or , is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument. Some consider that it is used in a cogent form if all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context, and others consider it to always be a fallacy to cite the views of an authority on the discussed topic as a means of supporting an argument.

They provided no source to explain their decision except nothing (nothing in the webtoon, nor in the blog nor in the official website). It's just a vulgar argument of authority, the burden of proof always applies to them, it's not because they provide most of the sourced information that I have to close my eyes when they don't back it.

And since you're calling me a hypocrite, you can show me where I've made a fallacy? I ask you to find just one

READ what I said again. I'm not saying the Acrinak ISN'T relevant; I'm saying it is. In the sense that we can't use his performance against Rei to throw the baby out with the bathwater about his potential threat-level because he was severely limited in that engagement.

You're hyper-focused on him 'getting beaten' to the point that you think if you just keep repeating that it actually addresses the FACT that the Acrinak hints it has much more in the tank, but couldn't show it.

i.e., the Acrinak getting beaten is irrelevant. But the Acrinak being a potential threat is still on the table. You want to gloss over the fact that there are those in the tower than Rei cannot impose his will on. We have 1, maybe 2 in the span of two freaking chapters.

If that's not relevant in the context of what could be in the seal and what implications that could have, I don't know what is.

Yes it is still irrelevant and never was.

Traumerai was holding back against Acrinak. Acrinak was not fighting at his peak, neither was Traum. To say that Acrinak would be a threat (even potentially) against Traum is a stretch. The only thing that can be taken from his statement is that with a host much stronger than NN he could fight and actually damage (not beat, hurt is all he says) Traum's Fandore (1 out of 7 shinheuh hoping the Fandore is the most powerful of the 7 otherwise what acrinak says will be worthless)

His statement proves nothing about his potential threat level against Traumerai.

The only thing it proves is that there are regulars who can fight an FH and not get instantly slapped in the face and are even capable of inflicting a certain level of damage (which doesn't mean it's on the same level as them or that it could actually threaten them). Neither more nor less

2 ? 1 you mean: WW obeys everything he says in theory he can't control it but the reality is quite different ( WW is explicitly a special case you can't use him)
The thing has been defeated and locked up it is neutralized

regarding the sealed thing, read again what she says:
-first statement 521) she says that she will help Baam to take revenge on LBP with her power nothing to say the statement speaks for itself.

2nd statement (530) she says that she will make Traumerai fall into the abyss with baam's help

You see the problem? she doesn't act like something that has been beaten with difficulty and locked up, from the beginning she wants to beat Traum with Baam's help, not alone (sinking into the abyss is very open to interpretation apart from the obvious fact that she wants to hurt him)

The sealed thing doesn't want to fight Traum alone or she can't fight him alone in the first place.

 

[Crimson Ice]

In theory, damaging should not be a problem, honestly. When he was weak as fk, he injured Urek.

SIU has stated he regretted that. Baam should not be fucking with Trauermei in the slightest.

 

[Kallavan]

SIU has stated he regretted that. Baam should not be fucking with Trauermei in the slightest.

Source about SIU regretting ? It's a false rumor that was spread by Urek fans.
SIU never said he made a mistake with Baam """"""""""hurting""""""""" Urek (he just scratched him actually).

And I think he managed to do that to Urek thanks to his power that can hurt anyone no matter how powerful the opponent is. (SIU actually talked about it for real this time).

But yeah Baam is not ready for Traumerei OF COURSE, power up or not.

 

[Fun]

Like I said earlier, go back and read the entire t/l LOL!
Common denominator between WW and that beast, Traum couldn’t control both and both are dead

Then why the beast at the nest (LPB fortress) holds a grudge (talking about dragging him into the abyss) against Traumerei (LPB FH).

it can talk, hence, it's not dead.

Too many coincidences..

 

[Cinera]

And not a thing about Uub.

What does "Uub" mean? And how oh earth did the unnamed Division Commander get that nickname?

whatever is there recognized the need of being a irregular to face a GW

No, it's something that can only be hosted by Irregulars. Only Irregulars are "qualified" to "accept" its power:

Spoiler

Only Irregulars can hear its voice.

There were camera in the field, the camera went kaput when Baam went berserk, before that they can see White and Baam duking out. Afterwards, Baam appeared before Mas, White is nowhere to be seen, instead there's just Vicente. Maschenny likely put 1+1=2.

There's also Asensio being sent to Baam's field and knowing about White's presence there (so Maschenny most likely told him). He at least would know that Baam bested White, and he would have informed Maschenny of it.

But to start with, I don't think it's that Baam going berserk destroyed McCage's Lighthouses, but rather that Maschenny had one of her minions sabotage those Lighthouses. Baam is not the only thing that McCage did not see. He also did not see:

• The release of the Hybrider
• The Hybrider's rampage
• Asensio's movements

And Baam going berserk does not explain how only the Lighthouses in those areas were destroyed (McCage could observe other places in the Cat Tower).


All of these are things that Maschenny would have wanted to hide from him, so Maschenny sabotaging McCage's vision of her actions and hiding Baam's power a little longer makes more sense to me.

It goes without saying that if that is indeed true, Maschenny's own vision wouldn't have been similarly sabotaged. She had many screens in the command room on her ship for observing the Nest battle:

Spoiler

And considering that Lyborick had his screen tuned to Kallavan's map, and that Yasratcha had his own screen tuned to Yama's map, Maschenny's own screens would have almost certainly been tuned to Baam's map.


Finally, Maschenny knew when Baam completed the game, even when McCage was not aware of it (he had no idea what was going on at Baam's map). This reinforces that she had her alternative way to observe Baam's map that wasn't dependent on McCage.


This isn't proof, but the available evidence does heavily suggest that Maschenny saw Baam vs White.

@sazon.

Didn’t you just quote me saying we can’t use the profiles?

the profile also said Hon had few children and fewer princesse. You can’t have it both ways

No, not really. That's just a misrepresentation of what is said in the Arie Family profile.

It said that the Arie has only ever produced Hon Zahard and Hagipherione Zahard in its history.

But all other Families have zero, one or two Princesses in the current timeline, so 2 isn't by any indications "few".

And the Webtoon also mentions Rose Zahard, so the Arie Family has the most Princesses (3).


A quote of the Arie Family having few children please?

Not that it matters anyway, since the Webtoon contradicts it.

I didn't say that you can't use character profiles. I said that if the Webtoon contradicts character profiles, you go with the Webtoon.

SIU said that those profiles are outdated and he changed the setting.

 

[lazybum]

But to start with, I don't think it's that Baam going berserk destroyed McCage's Lighthouses, but rather that Maschenny had one of her minions sabotage those Lighthouses.

Another more reason to add is Ascensio went to Baam's side, so to cover tracks Mas had to control others vision. Mas doesn't necessarily have vision of berserk Baam vs White fight, she only needed to hide Baam. And since she sent Ascensio, she is likely knows that Baam will end up crossing her path at some point.

Though regardless of this, the more important part is Baam convincing Mas he has what it takes to fulfill whatever her desire by doing some amazing soon enough. Hope next chapter SIU pick up the pace.

 

[Cinera]

i really need that Owl can be a match for JH even w/o the Big owl. Because the only different between DoKoKo and pudidi is the bird.

Like 80% of Dokoko's power was in his Windbird. If Pudidy is somewhat similar, then he's much stronger than Jinsung.

And if you have a weakling like that as you top 3 you family is a joke!

Pudidy is Top 10 not Top 3.

SIU has stated he regretted that. Baam should not be fucking with Trauermei in the slightest.

Source about SIU regretting ? It's a false rumor that was spread by Urek fans.
SIU never said he made a mistake with Baam """"""""""hurting""""""""" Urek (he just scratched him actually).

And I think he managed to do that to Urek thanks to his power that can hurt anyone no matter how powerful the opponent is. (SIU actually talked about it for real this time).

Yep, SIU saying that he regretted it is a complete lie.

In fact, SIU reaffirmed it and reiterated it during Baam's fight with Kallavan:

Season 2 Episode 20 Blog Post

I suppose this chapter…
absolutely showed off the potential of the developing hero, Bam, without regret.
And a chapter that showed the unusually hard-to-kill homeboy Jinsung’s survival.

Bam, as shown in his duel with Urek Mazino,
has a power that cannot be defined in terms of strong and weak, unable to be rivalled.

That’s the impression.
I mean, Ha Jinsung’s expectations on Bam ultimately came from his trust in the potential of said power.

It isn’t a stretch for Kallavan to be surprised at his growing wound.

Baam could already make use of the souls from the beginning, he just chose not to because of his fragile morality. White only taught him how to make use of it much better.

White specifically thought Baam how to burn souls. Baam did not know how to do that.

• I don't see how this is relevant

It's not a power that Baam was holding back before, but a power that Baam just attained by devouring all the souls that were latent in him.

• He brought out the red orb without problems when he found out about Prince and Akr

He did it subconsciously, and could not control it even then. It disappeared almost immediately after.

It wasn't until he died and was resurrected that it manifested for real.

Also, I wasn't talking about the fight with White, but it is clear that he was holding back against Charlie and Kallavan.

He held back against Charlie, but he was not holding back against Kallavan. He thought Kallavan was to blame for his master's revenge and was trying to take revenge for his master.

Baam holding back on Kallavan is dumb.

 

[King Dryst]

Though regardless of this, the more important part is Baam convincing Mas he has what it takes to fulfill whatever her desire by doing some amazing soon enough.

Why does it ultimately matter? In the big picture, she is nothing to him and her desires are even less than.

 

[lazybum]

Why does it ultimately matter? In the big picture, she is nothing to him and her desires are even less than.

Well the plot asks for it, regardless what Mas is to Baam.

 

[King Dryst]

Well the plot asks for it, regardless what Mas is to Baam.

We'll see. As always, getting too hyped for Baam is usually a precursor to disappointment.

 

[Cinera]

Add Baam's power at that moment + White's power he absorbed, so yeah, maybe there's no one in the nest besides Trau who can handle him. Not even your fate-twisting baby dragon.

Can you prove she saw the fight? No, just as I can't prove she didn't see it.

Yes, she may know that White lost, but not how. Baam didn't just defeat White, he overcame him. He himself said that Baam was much stronger than him. And if we ignore the fact that SIU wanted to PU the regulars, Baam would defeat White without the tug-of-war that was clear.

The story suggests that she most likely witnessed the fight:

There's also Asensio being sent to Baam's field and knowing about White's presence there (so Maschenny most likely told him). He at least would know that Baam bested White, and he would have informed Maschenny of it.

But to start with, I don't think it's that Baam going berserk destroyed McCage's Lighthouses, but rather that Maschenny had one of her minions sabotage those Lighthouses. Baam is not the only thing that McCage did not see. He also did not see:

• The release of the Hybrider
• The Hybrider's rampage
• Asensio's movements

And Baam going berserk does not explain how only the Lighthouses in those areas were destroyed (McCage could observe other places in the Cat Tower).


All of these are things that Maschenny would have wanted to hide from him, so Maschenny sabotaging McCage's vision of her actions and hiding Baam's power a little longer makes more sense to me.

It goes without saying that if that is indeed true, Maschenny's own vision wouldn't have been similarly sabotaged. She had many screens in the command room on her ship for observing the Nest battle:

Spoiler

And considering that Lyborick had his screen tuned to Kallavan's map, and that Yasratcha had his own screen tuned to Yama's map, Maschenny's own screens would have almost certainly been tuned to Baam's map.


Finally, Maschenny knew when Baam completed the game, even when McCage was not aware of it (he had no idea what was going on at Baam's map). This reinforces that she had her alternative way to observe Baam's map that wasn't dependent on McCage.


This isn't proof, but the available evidence does heavily suggest that Maschenny saw Baam vs White.

The person that blinded McCage in the first place was most likely Maschenny via one of her minions.

So, for me it's much more coherent to think that she didn't see it and is being super arrogant than her being absurdly stronger than White, because she never showed anything to confirm this

Unfortunately for that position, the story heavily suggests otherwise.

As for her being absurdly stronger than White, I already covered her rarefied standing in another thread:

Discussion - Maschenny Zahard is an Incredibly Big Deal

Disclaimer This is a pretty long read, so it may be best to read it in bits over multiple sessions. Introduction Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them...

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We can't use the posts, but he can use it to say that Maschenny is the central power of the family and Ran the greatest genius in history.

Hop off my dick.

That's not what I said. I said that in instances when the old character profiles are contradicted by the Webtoon, the Webtoon prevails. The Arie Family having few children is contradicted by Hon saying that he has countless sons.

As is the Arie Family having only Hon and Hagipherione as Princesses (Arie Rose Zahard was mentioned in the Webtoon).

If Maschenny had actually seen the fight, she wouldn't have acted so lightly, even if she was still stronger than White. The game changer there was surprising by their standards. This is the point.

Not really. Maschenny wants Baam to fight Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

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Defeating White isn't particularly impressive compared to what she expects of Baam.

Because we only found what Traumerai kept, not what Zahard put there.

That may have been completely retconned. This is the scene that mentioned Zahard storing things in the Frozen Waterfall:

Spoiler

It also mentioned:

• The Teleporter requiring a year of preheating before use.
• Time standing still inside the Frozen Waterfall.

Both of the above things seem to be plain false.

I said that LPB rankers relying totally on their shinheuh was ridiculous and I almost got crucified here.

Is it ridiculous for the Arie to rely on their swords? Or the Khuns their spears?

The Shinheuh are the weapon of an Anima. I don't see what's ridiculous about being dependent on your primary weapon.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Then why the beast at the nest (LPB fortress) holds a grudge (talking about dragging him into the abyss) against Traumerei (LPB FH).

it can talk, hence, it's not dead.

Too many coincidences..

How do you know it’s a beast lol? And no beast can control shinsu! Only admin can do that!

 

[Cinera]

Why does it ultimately matter? In the big picture, she is nothing to him and her desires are even less than.

Well the plot asks for it, regardless what Mas is to Baam.

We'll see. As always, getting too hyped for Baam is usually a precursor to disappointment.

Saying that Maschenny is irrelevant to Baam is very misguided IMO.

Maschenny is the person responsible for:

• Baam fighting Kallavan
  • He did so because he thought Kallavan had killed Jinsung.
  • Maschenny is the one who sent Jinsung to fight Kallavan.
• Baam rallying FUG
  • He did so in order to rescue Jinsung.
• Baam storming the Nest
  • She brought Jinsung to the Nest.
• Baam acquiring the Voice
  • She sent him into the Suspendium.
• Baam fighting Rei
  • She set up Jinsung to fight the Lo Po Bia.
  • She delivered the Voice to Baam.

In the big picture, all of Baam's actions from Three Orders onwards have been dictated by Maschenny. And it is very unlikely that Maschenny will be done with Baam after the Nest. Rather, if Baam actually meets her expectations, she would only grow more invested in him.

And even when Baam exceeds her in strength, she still has many levers with which to move him:

• Yihwa
  • She was kidnapped by Yool's Captain.
  • Said Captain may be working with or for Maschenny.
• Endorsi and Anaak
  • Via the Lo Po Bia Princesses
• AA
  • Via Maria
  • Via blackmail, threatening him, extorting him or bribery
• Yuri
  • She would have intel on her current treatment/predicament and may be able to assist with her release/rescue.
  • She made a bet with Yuri for the Green April and may even have already acquired it.
• Revenge
  • Should Jinsung die, the person that ultimately masterminded all of it was Maschenny and Baam knows this.
  • Baam may chase after her of his own volition.

Baam and Maschenny are going to remain very intertwined for many arcs forward. Though it's likely that should Baam satisfy or exceed her expectations, her orientation towards him would change from neutral/hostile to a supporter (if not quite benevolent).

 

[Ignorant]

Like 80% of Dokoko's power was in his Windbird. If Pudidy is somewhat similar, then he's much stronger than Jinsung.



Pudidy is Top 10 not Top 3.




Yep, SIU saying that he regretted it is a complete lie.

In fact, SIU reaffirmed it and reiterated it during Baam's fight with Kallavan:

Season 2 Episode 20 Blog Post





White specifically thought Baam how to burn souls. Baam did not know how to do that.


It's not a power that Baam was holding back before, but a power that Baam just attained by devouring all the souls that were latent in him.


He did it subconsciously, and could not control it even then. It disappeared almost immediately after.

It wasn't until he died and was resurrected that it manifested for real.



He held back against Charlie, but he was not holding back against Kallavan. He thought Kallavan was to blame for his master's revenge and was trying to take revenge for his master.

Baam holding back on Kallavan is dumb.

“The two of us and the spider” (3) of considered the strongest of the “top Branch leaders”
He’s clearly saying even in the top BH we are the 3 strongest.