Games Mafia Game 144 - Pan the Diver - Day 4

[Copy Panda]

D4 VOTES

Voting 1/10

1x Slyth - Arrow #1194

DAY DURATION

Beware of the poll closing time. ​

 

[SirSamuel016]

!votekill shinobi

Regardless if you trust Nash or not, all it does to refuse to share is make you look worse. Nor do I see any angle where you sharing the slightest bit publicly helps Nash/mafia like you said it does? At most if you say I targeted X, Nash could piggyback off it and say yes with Spy I saw you targeted them. But that alone doesnt do anything for Nash, she must still get a proper result ie. guess next day in advance who someone targeted. So sharing your action would if anything help clear you and not Nash, so I'm really confused. But this doesn't sit right with me.

Otherwise a Snehal lynch probably works here? Eh, bit too obvious maybe.

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 6:44 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 6:44 PM ---

Not Snehal?

I forgot he existed while writing, maybe

 

[Lumii?!]

!votekill shinobi

Regardless if you trust Nash or not, all it does to refuse to share is make you look worse. Nor do I see any angle where you sharing the slightest bit publicly helps Nash/mafia like you said it does? At most if you say I targeted X, Nash could piggyback off it and say yes with Spy I saw you targeted them. But that alone doesnt do anything for Nash, she must still get a proper result ie. guess next day in advance who someone targeted. So sharing your action would if anything help clear you and not Nash, so I'm really confused. But this doesn't sit right with me.

Otherwise a Snehal lynch probably works here? Eh, bit too obvious maybe.

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 6:44 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 6:44 PM ---

Not Snehal?

did voted snehal, however shino comportement looks sus and i can only change one time... how much votes shino has on him ? 3?

 

[Natasha]

Yes I'll hold the order advantage here, I simply don't trust her, I'm not letting her correct herself based on my answer. Anyone can bs a role and confirm/implicate another person after that said person stated what they did. You and I and many others can do that as well. Just because she claimed one of 3 roles doesn't change how I distrust her, DD also claimed spy/det yesterday and he was lynched anyway.

Crazy to choose to hold the order advantage against a Spy/Prost/Det claim when I'm not even asking you for your role.

You're admitting to doing so to prevent me from fabricating a claim with my advantage.

I'm willing to compromise with you to the point of claiming a power role, even though I don't trust you, and you won't even give me a hint

A hint for a role you keep trying to dive out of btw, by voting descend 40m/60m.

Crazy work girl.

Votekill Shino

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 6:59 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 6:56 PM ---

did voted snehal, however shino comportement looks sus and i can only change one time... how much votes shino has on him ? 3?

With my vote just now Shino is at 3. Sam, Gry, Me.

 

[shinobi]

did voted snehal, however shino comportement looks sus and i can only change one time... how much votes shino has on him ? 3?

Shino has 3 or 4 votes on her Shino lost count lmao

 

[GrySun]

did voted snehal, however shino comportement looks sus and i can only change one time... how much votes shino has on him ? 3?

Shino's a lovely lady not a he. And probably around 3 atm I guess. I'm off to bed. Not having much confidence in most options.

 

[Lumii?!]

Shino has 3 or 4 votes on her Shino lost count lmao

oh mbmb for the him i didnt knew

 

[89_Snehal]

I don't know how I am supposed to "clean" my side , but after reading so much text I think for now shino is sus for not giving hint , otherwise if shino genuine then nash cherry picking and killing one by one , first DD now shino, next me probably , I will give my vote right before day ends...

 

[GrySun]

Aaah now I feel stress that a mafia shino would just play along with Nash as its low risk and not needlessly avoid saying a tiny bit of info I already got depressed with the DD lynch, I can't handle too many more mislynches.....

I'll try to be back if I can before day ends but chances are low, gonna be super little sleep regardless for me. Can yall somehow get things done and make a mafia lynch that'd be great..

 

[Natasha]

I don't know how I am supposed to "clean" my side , but after reading so much text I think for now shino is sus for not giving hint , otherwise if shino genuine then nash cherry picking and killing one by one , first DD now shino, next me probably , I will give my vote right before day ends...

Nit-picking is a fair accusation if I went for Shino based on my opinion of her play + Holt's death.
However her refusal to co-operate basically speaks for itself. If she's town here, she's willing to distrust me to her grave.
If she's mafia then she has very good reason not to take the odds on guessing what I did to her and dying for certain if she's wrong.

But tbh if I'm wrong again after DD I'm probably dead D3, not you. I've tried really hard to avoid this risk but Shino made her choice. I respect it.

 

[GrySun]

Nash not addressing my thoughts about at least herself in my D2 recap either. Sigh

 

[Natasha]

Aaah now I feel stress that a mafia shino would just play along with Nash as its low risk and not needlessly avoid saying a tiny bit of info I already got depressed with the DD lynch, I can't handle too many more mislynches.....

She is avoiding a massive risk of giving a hint that contradicts what I know. Then she can never live past me flipping green.

Nash not addressing my thoughts about at least herself in my D2 recap either. Sigh

Was a bit pre-occupied xD

 

[Erinyes]

Thats fair, the lynch was a mistake but consider that DD decided to lie which made his position bad. Townies ideally never lie.

i get that, but what i mean is tha, with such a claim , giving the benefit of the doubt to the only claim and let him prove himself.

 

[Natasha]

Natasha - most surprising to me is how much she overlooks Pompom. Should have as much beef to pick with her as with shino yet focusing on shino a ton more. Not even any passing comments on Pompom. I'd have thought they're not in the same team due to Pom's vote on her D1 but Nash's ignoring of her is... strange. Has really mostly stuck to focusing shino over anyone else this day, barely even much thought or totems written down. Idk what to think of Nash..

I've commented on Pom. I simply have an action spent on Shino so she's my focus, on top of her giving me bad vibes from day 1.
Pom's not really engaged with me directly, even though she's voting me. It is odd.

Spoiler: Pom pokes

@Lady pompom whatchya thinking?

My bad

@Lady pompom what were you doing last night miss

Who is afraid of holt enough to kill them here, weird choice

I wasn't too concerned D1 with you being on me but now with my DD fumble my lynch is pretty real.

My confidence aside do you think I'm steering town in the wrong direction more than any other player right now? Why would I bring so much attention to myself after a fumble as maf...

Idk am I making that little sense that a town pomcha and town shino would be picking me as their #1 suspect two days in a row

That's kinda crazy. Even Holt said so, and everyone is agreeing he's a strong player.

I've also shared my thoughts on most low-credibility people when discussing who to vote.

I quite liked Tatsu's return today so I wouldn't be looking at them.

Vali seems to be taking away that most DD voters are mafia but maybe not all. He's concluding that we should dive deeper cause he thinks dd voters = surface lovers = mafia.


Seems a bit detached with possibly ulterior motive, but not strongly so.

Snehal is currently being dishonest about his role, mafia or town still hard to tell since he's new.

Dego is mafia if Sam & Dego situation has a mafia in it, but I haven't been thorough on my reading back of the whole thing.

Mazino is afk. He was softly against the DD lynch. Landed on Shino. I don't particularly get bad vibes.

@shinobi will be my default if she ends up ignoring my questions.

No formal totems or lists today but I've shared my thoughts in flow-of-conciousness~

 

[Erinyes]

I'm a town defuser if it helps you to dispel doubts, that's why I think Sam is a Mafia Bomb or Defuser, it will be odd having 2 Townie Defuser

2 defusers, i see, so you think sam is bomb because of your similarities, makes sense,, ideally id like today to avoid voting any of you dego vs sam, there is potential chance of oone you is mafia, both could be town, too, panda games lol, i was once defuser and tehre was no bomb in the game all scenarios are possible, the thing is that for now, i dont necessarily suspect any of you at least for now,, you could both be town or even mafia , hosts trolling hard sometimes. but i want to keep an eyr on you, guys..

i just came back from work, i need to do some stuff, grab something to eat etc, and then ill read caredully back

for now placeholder vote upon one of dd voters as i said earlier , might change later, votekill slytheboy

 

[Natasha]

i get that, but what i mean is tha, with such a claim , giving the benefit of the doubt to the only claim and let him prove himself.

It really seemed like a desperate claim -> fumble
I won't excuse my role in making it happen but it's happened now.

Looking at how votes did or didn't change after he claimed is a good call still.

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 7:37 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 7:34 PM ---

OK gtg for a bit

 

[Vali x lucifer]

I don't know how I am supposed to "clean" my side , but after reading so much text I think for now shino is sus for not giving hint , otherwise if shino genuine then nash cherry picking and killing one by one , first DD now shino, next me probably , I will give my vote right before day ends...

How is Shino sus for not giving a hint when you claimed 4 Townies

 

[shinobi]

Back, and I'll finish what I started yesterday, coz nothing changed since then, actually I'm feeling much worse about princess rn, I'm almost sure that claim is bs , Gry going along with her story is iffy as well. In the first place I have no idea what gave her that much trust !

Votekill Tasha

If I'm worried that I'd be caught the exact same logic applies to her.

 

[89_Snehal]

How is Shino sus for not giving a hint when you claimed 4 Townies

Talking back at me???? You are sus too now

 

[Vali x lucifer]

@Lumii?! why don't you want to dive deeper ? I don't think actives can be bad for people who likely won't be targeted today like yourself ?

 

[arrowofsky]

Talking back at me???? You are sus too now

It would be really really sad if all your roles are just plain townie, so while you are in the game, just spit it out I guess

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 8:07 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 7:55 PM ---

Ok folks, I feel a bit bad so I will make this short unfortunately, I at least read everything up to now.

There are two critical things I would like to say:

1-> Here is my complete roles:
0-50 Plain Townie
51-100 Bomb Defuser Townie
101-150 Bomb Defuser Townie
151-200 Plain Townie

As a result, I think there is NO way both Dego and Sam are town. Moreover, as this role is something in between passive and active, compared to my Jerk role at the last game, I am not really so so insistent on being at that depth. Otherwise, fine by me. Nevertheless, town does not seem to be getting anything other than usual nightkill danger at night in 0-50 depth as far as I understand, that's why I am not so insistent on other depths.

2-> Slightly in D1 and especially in later D1, and obviously in D2, Sam and Nash are so congruent, they almost completing their sentences, and it takes a night to do this (not pun intended ). I came to realize this after recollecting the day in N1, and even written this down fwiw in a DM to hosts, and now they even vote similarly and in the same speed. The issue is that I can't say if they are both town or they are both mafia, but they are definitely on the same team.

3-> @Vali x lucifer I do understand how you feel, I felt the same in beginnings in my previous game and this one, too. The issue is, let's say there are 4 mafia and 10 non-mafia (probably 8-9 town), and each info you withhold are more from town than from mafia. But I do get you if you don't find it strategic to share it now.

@SirSamuel016 new info from me so i tagged you, also i wish you get better asap man.

I have still some gaps in data to produce a target to vote, but soon i will vote.