Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[neomaster121]

All Soru aren't created equal. You honestly think Blueno could keep up with Lucci?

Speaking of Blueno, his fight with Luffy proves the same point, as both could use soru.....and yet Blueno could not keep up with luffy after he started using the technique. (Which his body is only fast enough to preform in gear 2nd btw.)

And yes, gear 2nd does increase Luffy's speed. Just look at ALL of his techniques in gear 2nd.
Whats the diffrence between them and normal Luffy?
O yea....they're faster
So why on earth wouldn't luffy in general be faster? That would make no sense at all.

Luffy's main speed increase while using gear 2 is his soru technique. Blueno said it himself. Also i wouldn't think there would be such a difference in speed between the top 3 cp9 when it came to soru. Its soru which luffy uses in gear 2 for the speed.

 

[ANBU4U]

Luffy's main speed increase while using gear 2 is his soru technique. Blueno said it himself. Also i wouldn't think there would be such a difference in speed between the top 3 cp9 when it came to soru. Its soru which luffy uses in gear 2 for the speed.

It doesn't change the fact that luffy is faster in general in gear 2nd.

Case and point...he can't even use soru unless he's in gear 2nd. His body isn't able to handle the move.

What, does luffy use Soru on his fist too? Is that why they're faster?

Gear 2nd increases Luffy's metabolism, which increases the speed at which all of his muscles work. ALL of them, from the ones in his arms, to those in his thighs and shins, to his very heart. Their all faster.
Soru adds to that speed yes, but my point is that the technique only amplifies the users base speed...it doesn't propel the user at some pre-determined velocity like...o...Goku's instant transmission.

Franky could keep up with Fukuro, but he couldn't even begin to get past Lucci.
Zorro could keep up with kaku, but that doesn't mean he could keep up with Lucci and Luffy.

You say you don't think theres a big difference between the top 3 of CP9. I say thats absolutely ridiculous.

Look at their Douriki:

Lucci- 4000

kaku- 2200
Jyabura- 2180

Everyone Else- Sub 850!

There are clearly 3 leagues within CP9. Lucci, Kaku-Jyabura, then everyone else.

Add that to Franky's statement (that the rest of them would have been annihilated by Lucci) and I just can't see why you'd just assume there isn't a major difference between the top three agents of CP9.

 

[Anax]

This is fiction. Oda did his best to give everyone his own enemy he fits best to.
boss against boss, sword against sword (and woman against sanji ). Zorro would have no chance against Enel, but i doubt Luffy could have beaten Mr.1 back then.

Mr. Popo and I agree. Seriously, the guy summed up in a paragraph what would have taken me pages to convey

I only need to elaborate on two points.
One is purpose. Why would those two fight? In OP a character's "drive" is what decides the outcome of most battles, not their sheer "stats".
Second is compatibility. Presumably no one in the Mugiwara crew could take down Perona, apart from Usopp. Presumably Mr. 1 would have sliced and diced Luffy back then.
On the other hand, drive can sometimes make people overcome compatibility issues (with a little help from Oda's ingenius, albeit nonsensical plot tools). So, when Luffy couldn't beat Crocodile's power, he used a water barrel. . .

My personal opinion is biased, since Zoro and Dracule Mihawk are my favorite characters in OP, but I think Zoro could defeat Luffy... under the right circumstances. What are those? A setting were Zoro was a pirate hunter and Luffy wasn't trying to be the pirate king perhaps?

Lastly, let me point out that character battles are situational and are bound by each manga's plot. To try and remove the characters from their context and pit them in a fight to the death in some imaginary arena, sometimes means to strip them of powers such us, terrain, morale, drive, moral support etc. Also, in the end, who are we to speak in a definitive manner? Sometimes, not even the mangaka knows in their head, whether X could kill Y. They might not even want to know. So, let us speculate in peace, without spewing bile at each other.

 

[neomaster121]

It doesn't change the fact that luffy is faster in general in gear 2nd.

Case and point...he can't even use soru unless he's in gear 2nd. His body isn't able to handle the move.

What, does luffy use Soru on his fist too? Is that why they're faster?

Gear 2nd increases Luffy's metabolism, which increases the speed at which all of his muscles work. ALL of them, from the ones in his arms, to those in his thighs and shins, to his very heart. Their all faster.
Soru adds to that speed yes, but my point is that the technique only amplifies the users base speed...it doesn't propel the user at some pre-determined velocity like...o...Goku's instant transmission.

Franky could keep up with Fukuro, but he couldn't even begin to get past Lucci.
Zorro could keep up with kaku, but that doesn't mean he could keep up with Lucci and Luffy.

You say you don't think theres a big difference between the top 3 of CP9. I say thats absolutely ridiculous.

Look at their Douriki:

Lucci- 4000

kaku- 2200
Jyabura- 2180

Everyone Else- Sub 850!

There are clearly 3 leagues within CP9. Lucci, Kaku-Jyabura, then everyone else.

Add that to Franky's statement (that the rest of them would have been annihilated by Lucci) and I just can't see why you'd just assume there isn't a major difference between the top three agents of CP9.

The douriki just mentions their strength lvls in normal form nothing more nothing less so you saying that Soru would be completely different speeds within the top 3 is your own opinion unconfirmed by anyone

Also if his soru is faster how far fast do you think lucci's soru beats kaku by?

gear 2 may increase his attacking speed as well but again it doesn't increase it so far that lucci couldn't deal with it and when you talk about franky for one he barely knew all of them and thier strengths and weakness also lucci with shigan was preety deadly so with luffy's rubber body he was less impacted by the attack.

But i still maintain that Zoro could deal with gear 3 and beat him with power as shown in the manga page i've shown. Gear 2 i still maintain that luffy's speed wouldn't overpower him

 

[BlackHair]

I believe Luffy is slightly stronger than Zoro. 'Cause Luffy is the captain, usually the captain in a crew is the strongest and he is also the main protagonist.

I don't wanne play Luffy's attacks vs Zoro's attacks, that's pretty idiotic imo, since there are too many scenarios you could come up with.

 

[RobinotX]

It depends how they fight and were they fight..

There are equal but maybe Luffy is just slightly stronger.. if he wants to..

And Luffy can't move after the Lucci fight. But Gear Second destroys his body...
Zoro has Asura.. but I don't think he could hit Luffy with it.. and Asura is only a moment.. Gear Second is for a long time..

So maybe there equal or Luffy is better..

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Let me put my reply like this, Luffy destroys Zoro in speed, the only thing Zoro has is Asura but thats only a moment, or in other words useless. Cause theirs no way he's blitzing Gear 2 Luffy.

Zoro does ,however, have reaction speed which is more important for a swordsman then speed.

 

[kkck]

I think luffy and zoro are at all moments at roughtly the same level, with luffy being a tad stronger.

 

[mugiwara84]

Though I do think Zoro owns, Luffy is still in a league of his own. The only advantage Zoro has is that he's Luffy's weak point seeing that he's a swordman capable to cut him up. However I also think that gear second would destroy Zoro due to it's speed and it packs quite the punch. Zoro does has for him going that he's a beast that you just don't knock down easely even if you're Luffy in second gear. The only thing I'm scared of is Zoro his dodge skill and his talent to excell in dangerous situations. Imo he's the most tricky opponent for Zoro but Luffy still seems the stronger one seeing he always gets the main dish to defeat.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

psychical zoro is stronger due hard training, but luffy has his devil fruit
thats why they are +- same level

 

[neomaster121]

I think luffy and zoro are at all moments at roughtly the same level, with luffy being a tad stronger.

i pretty much agree with you but i think with added determination Either one could be stronger but more luffy since he is the main char

i think speed is less of a issue after watching Zoro in his badly weakened condition dodging some super fast kuma pressure pads shows that Zoro could handle at his best condition luffy's speed
power well the two are both power houses but luffy is rubber giving him a smaller advantage but in terms of raw human power i'd say Zoro

 

[goldb]

zoro can handle luffy's speed, plus we've seen them fight agaisnt each other and it was pretty much too tight to call at Whiskey Peak but they've both grown much stronger since then, they are the kind of fighters who improve during battles so it would be an epic battle that we will never see happen

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Zoro is considered to be one of the Straw Hat crew's top fighters; so much that people occasionally mistook him as the captain of the Straw Hat Crew after witnessing his fighting skills in battle

Zoro is inarguably one of the strongest characters revealed thus far; while most super powered pirates and villains gain power from eating one of the Devil Fruits, Zoro has gained his powers through hard work and training. Zoro has enough power in his lower body to allow him to keep up at a running pace with Sanji

To match his strength, Zoro also has ridiculous amounts of stamina, vitality, endurance, and tolerance for pain, withstanding Mr.1's two jamming buzzsaws into his chest during the Arabasta arc and Arlong stabbing his saw-like nose into his face, not to mention surviving a slash to the chest from Mihawk's Black Sword, enduring a mass of continuous Rankyaku attacks rained down (literally) at him by CP9's Kaku, and managing to stay conscious after Kuma fired his Ursa Shock throughout Thriller Bark (which incapacitated everyone else) right before convincing the Shichibukai to have transferred all of Luffy's pain and fatigue into him. Kuma was confident Zoro wouldn't live through afterwards. However, the swordsman was seen standing blood-drenched at the end of the chapter, claiming that nothing happened

Zoro's agility, speed, and overall reflexes are also extraordinary; in numerous occasions, Zoro has shown being able to evade (or block) high-speed attacks and projectiles that would normally be impossible for an human to perceive, much less intercept, nor move out of the way from.

that said i can say that luffy and zoro are quite equal in terms of power, but they have different abilities wich makes them better for different enemies

best sample i can give is luffy with enel and zoro vs mr.1

 

[kkck]

^So who do you think wins in a fight?

 

[Akainu]

if the fight would ever come to an end? the marines.
(not that this was asked, but you know, that's what happens when "bad guys" fightamongst each other: the "good guys" win)

 

[paradoxe]

Aww..Zoro fanboys! How sweet.

Allow me to quote this from previous pages:

Well.. You first question is pretty obvious. Luffy IS the captain, the guy who's worth more than 2 times than Zoro and the guy who defeats the main bad-guys. Although Zoro is no pushover, to say the least, I think it's pretty obvious that Luffy is stronger.

 

[Downanime00]

Re: Luffy vs. Zoro! Who is stronger?

depending on the power of the rankakyu, when lucci used victorious bird luffy said if it hitted him he would be sliced in 2,

zoro has also technique's wich are so fast even soru users cant dodge,

that tiger technique,
some demon technique
and asura are so fast luffy wont dodge,

and always when luffy has to baddle vs zoro he becomes nervous somehow

i think they are equal in power, but they defeat enemies the other can not defeat

Best sample is with enel

but in luffy vs zoro, zoro wins due he is the best with swords and swords own rubber, especially since its luffy's weakness =)

You forgot that luffy fought against Kuro who use sharp blade and buggy who also uses blade and and beat their ass. As long as luffy dodge the attack he can beat anyone. Basically, he can beat any sword man out there if he is quick instinct and super fast combine with his super strength he can own anyone out there cause he is the pirate king. But he could get kill easily by cheap trick such as thrown in sea water and kurasaki(something like that). If he somehow avoid those two thing then he is almost unbeatable.

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I think there is no huge gap in strength between Luffy and Zorro and never was!

As proof the on an only real fight between the two of them in Wiskey Peak. It is long ago and was not the most serious fight (compared to fights against major villains) but it gave us a hint: no one had a CLEAR advantage, they were quite even.

You said Luffy always fights the strongest because he is the strongest of SH. I don't think so. Luffy fights the strongest, because it is his job as the captain and also one day he wants to become pirate king.
Zoro indeed fights only less powerful enemies, but while Luffy has to go to his limits, Zoro has less problems. So he could fight stronger guys as well.

And one thing is for sure: Zoro has more stamina and/or endurance then Luffy!
After the fight against Moria and Oz, Luffy passed out without checking if Oz is really defeated. On the other hand, if Kuma wasn't lying, Zoro took all of Luffys pain and fatigue even though he was in no good condition either. And he was still standing conscious after it.

That said, i fully agree with Razh

There is another thing you forgot about, Zolo fought weaker guy and he still get all mess up just by fighting them what make you think he could beat stronger guy.

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who said that luffy can't beat mr.1 then you're wrong. I bet you that luffy could beat him in less time than zoro ever could. A guy who is afraid of crocodile but manage to beat zoro up so bad that he is about to lose conscious. Mr.1 can't be cut only, it's not like he can be hurt. Like I said luffy could beat anyone if he wanted to. Luffy only lost conscience after won a battle because he went all out in gear 2 and 3. Thinking back, I remember he is sleeping after fighting Don and thrown in water so that's does not count as can't get up. It not his fault he weak against it. In arlong park he did not get unconscious after the battle. Against crocodile he was poison so of course he can't move. It amazing that he could move when being poison and beat up crocodile.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

mr 1 his body was of pure steel, even stronger then the tekkai of cp9 & its permanent
luffy at that time, could not harm him.

and you forget,
zoro is great at dodging attacks too, if not better then luffy

 

[neomaster121]

Re: Luffy vs. Zoro! Who is stronger?

who said that luffy can't beat mr.1 then you're wrong. I bet you that luffy could beat him in less time than zoro ever could. A guy who is afraid of crocodile but manage to beat zoro up so bad that he is about to lose conscious. Mr.1 can't be cut only, it's not like he can be hurt. Like I said luffy could beat anyone if he wanted to. Luffy only lost conscience after won a battle because he went all out in gear 2 and 3. Thinking back, I remember he is sleeping after fighting Don and thrown in water so that's does not count as can't get up. It not his fault he weak against it. In arlong park he did not get unconscious after the battle. Against crocodile he was poison so of course he can't move. It amazing that he could move when being poison and beat up crocodile.

U say Zoro always fights weaker guys i beg to differ,
soem enemies Zoro fights are some who can beat luffy. Zoro also thought against kuma while Luffy was incapacitated

Then what u say about Mr 1 is utter rubbish
At that time Mr1 Was a much bigger threat than Mr0 Tell me one of the strawhat hats who could cut hurt a man made of metal.
The guy was like luffy but metal instead of rubber,
Luffy would be in a worser condition if not dead fighting mr 1. Zoro used his swords to block alot of the blade attacks. Is luffy going to do the same with rubber hands. No i don't think so.

Plus u also say Zoro gets beaten up a lot, for a guy he takes so much suffering his recovery is easily half of luffys, and lately Zoro's been the one left standing and continuing to fight, Luffy always preety much unable to do anything after a allout fight. Ennies lobby and Tb arc are two perfect examples. How Zoro with some of the hits and his previous fight with ryumma was still alive after fighting Odz then thats anyones guess, yet he was still able to fight kuma and take luffy's pain, caused by gear 2 n 3 and anything extra, yet stayd conscious and woke up after 2 days sleep

If you want to Compare the two do it properly with use of latest chapters rather than things which happen so long ago,
Zoro fought mihawk, then hacti then tried to fight arlong, thats says alot

Comments made here was just a counter to a post, i don't think Zoro is stronger than luffy but i don't blindly see luffy stronger than Zoro

 

[bittman]

I think you're over-rating Mr 1 a bit too much. Like many early enemies of One Piece, Mr 1 had an amazing power, but he did not use it at the level we would imagine it. Mr 1 barely coated his entire body in steel, but did it in sections with some prediction of Zoro's attacks. We've already seen Luffy, only 3 islands prior to this, break through Kreig's golden armour and while I'm not saying "Well Kreig's defence > Mr 1's", its wrong to also assume that Luffy would stand no chance against a thin layer of steel.

And crocodile was so badly a bigger threat compared to Mr 1. Between holding back the rain, making sandstorms, defeating bison-guy, duck squad, Luffy two times, Robin and being much more intelligent, Crocodile was always stronger, and always will be, than a miner-assassin.

By the same token, Mr 1 was not weak. Just countering your argument.