Fantasy All 4 Yonko's Vs World Government

[I Am Atomic]

I don't think BB taking hits is really that indicative. At least I don't know what to make of him in regards to him taking hits. Sure, he has taken a number of hits he probably would be better of avoiding but even then he has yet to actually been phased by the attacks. BB did not avoid a single attack ace threw at him and he still won. BB did not avoid gear 2 luffy but it didn't seem to cause any lasting damage. BB took WB's quake fruit to the head after being slashed down and he continued to do as he pleased. He then took sengoku's hit and it did not seem to hold him back either. Also worth noting on his fight with sengoku, only his new recently freed crewmembers along himself were really much of an asset there. His old crewmembers did not even have the strength to be near the vicinity where BB fought ace. BB has weak defenses but coupled with that is an asinine ability to take damage to what seems like an infinite degree. That he is even alive after taking WB's fruit to the head is ridiculous, even akainu had a rougher time than that dealing with WB's attacks.

Magellan did take on the WB crew but I would argue that is not much of a reflection on BB or his crew. Rather I would argue that was the result of them underestimating a fruit that works regardless of the strength of the enemy. I doubt the situation would have been like that if they didn't underestimate magellan. Magellan has some measure of physical capacity considering he survived ivankov but even then his only real feature is the fact that his poison would be equally effective on WB as it would be on chapter 1 luffy. Under slightly different circumstances I don't think magellan would have had everyone there on the run. Specially jinbe who was without water all that time. BB was a guy who got a hit on shanks apparently without tricks and even before his fruit IIRC. BB is legitimately powerful, he simply has not shown his stuff yet.

I or anyone else never did say BB is not powerful. It's just the fact that BB could beat all 3 admirals easily that I disagree with.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I would argue that was the result of them underestimating a fruit that works regardless of the strength of the enemy.

But thats exactly BB´s weakness. He is underestimating enemies. Magellan is the prime example for that, but we also saw him underestimating luffy before Skypia and didnt even said WB something similar too? (Actually not sure on this point) But even without the surprise... BB gets hit everytime, he is just to damn confident in his own endurance. What would happen against Magellan? Hydra. Even if BB draws him to himself... Magellan would use Hydra. And thats where he is finished. BB is at disadvantage by everything that he needs to dodge, because he doesnt does it.

 

[Fox666]

Blackbeard is just stupid. He stops the fight to talk with his opponent until they get bored and attack him.

I or anyone else never did say BB is not powerful. It's just the fact that BB could beat all 3 admirals easily that I disagree with.

Although I don't think he was stronger than a super rookie at the time. He just defeated Ace... somehow. But that's not weird in One Piece, we have seen Luffy defeating opponents who should be able to wipe the floor with his whole crew.

 

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

I give it to the World Government. Akainu is most likely the strongest man in the OP verse. Whoever he fights is going to die. We have yet to see the full power of both parties but I think the Marines are deeper with the inclusion of Shichibukai.

Akainu
Fujitora
Kizaru
Garp
Vice Admirals
Captains
Mihawk
Kuma
Flamingo
The new shichibukai
Pacifista

vs

BlackBeard
Kaido
Shanks
Big Mom
Yonkou Allies

I give it to the boys in blue...I mean white.

 

[mangah]

you forget some simple fact , Mariane did stomp white Beard pirate and almost killed and captured all of them without losing any major asset ...

and don't forget that White Beard had extra help just like Corocodile + Jimbei ( two shichibukai ) and Buggy and his crew ( current Shicibuka ) + The big face guy ( Revolutionary army )

and nor Doffy nor Mihawk go all out ... and Garp was just sitting and crying ....

don't forget that Garp and Songokou could beat former Yonko all by themselves .... and they could hold their own against pirate king ....

and by any mean , Mariane are way stronger than before ....

 

[Mighty Action X]

you forget some simple fact , Mariane did stomp white Beard pirate and almost killed and captured all of them without losing any major asset ...

and don't forget that White Beard had extra help just like Corocodile + Jimbei ( two shichibukai ) and Buggy and his crew ( current Shicibuka ) + The big face guy ( Revolutionary army )

and nor Doffy nor Mihawk go all out ... and Garp was just sitting and crying ....

don't forget that Garp and Songokou could beat former Yonko all by themselves .... and they could hold their own against pirate king ....

and by any mean , Mariane are way stronger than before ....

And that's against One of the Yonkou. They need to gather that much power just for One Yonkou and their allies. This thread is about if all 4 of the Yonkou will fight the WG. It means Mr. Genius that the WG will have to handle a battle similar to what they'd done with Whitebeard time 4. Get it?! You're just stating things based on what the WG had done in order to defend themselves against one where the question here is what will happen if they fight all of the 4.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Also lets not forget that the mainreason was the recapturing of Ace against a very strong marinebase. Its not that it was a fair fight....

 

[M3J]

Kuzaku? Who is that? Kuzan? or Kizaru?

WB vs Akainu there was a victor and that's WB. The last one standing is always the victor. Akainu only escaped with his life because he fell into the hole. So WB thought that Akainu might have fallen into the sea and is finished. But Akainu recovered thanks to his fruit and came back and fought the commanders. It's just like Luffy having a 10 minute break after using Gear 4.

Kizaru....

I still don't consider Whitebeard the winner because again, Akainu looked and fought like he never fought Whitebeard. He may have been lucky, but luck is part of skill.

I don't care about the amount of those who disagree, if Oda stated this in databooks, it is given, hence your logic comes in vain.

No it's not, and anyone who thinks so doesn't have common sense. The databooks state what the manga showed us, it doesn't state actual facts. didn't a databook say Sabo was dead?

YET, HE'S ALIVE!! I thought people knew better than to go by databooks, but I guess not.

 

[Rein Avara]

Kizaru....

I still don't consider Whitebeard the winner because again, Akainu looked and fought like he never fought Whitebeard. He may have been lucky, but luck is part of skill.


No it's not, and anyone who thinks so doesn't have common sense. The databooks state what the manga showed us, it doesn't state actual facts. didn't a databook say Sabo was dead?

YET, HE'S ALIVE!! I thought people knew better than to go by databooks, but I guess not.

People need to remember that WB was old, Ill and injured those all play a part in the fact that Akainu possibly won that fight, however if we were to subtract the disadvantages and both fighters were at the peak, WB would demolish him no problem.. the skill gap was still evident when WB was injured.

As for the whole Yonko vs WG, I say Yonko because at the end of the day they have more experience compared to 80% of the Marines when it comes to actual battle, not including the CP's.

The emperors themselves would easily take out a couple platoons on their own, let all alone with their top members.
BUT this can only be said based on what we know so far, we have indications on how strong Shanks, Kaidou, BB and Big Mom are however, we don't really know much about the goverments strengths besides the Admirals, Vice Admirals and CP9's.
CP0 was indicated to be dangerous and ruin follows them where-ever they go, but their actual abilities were not mentioned.

My Answer remains Yonko for the time being until we see more progression on the marine side.

 

[M3J]

People need to remember that WB was old, Ill and injured those all play a part in the fact that Akainu possibly won that fight, however if we were to subtract the disadvantages and both fighters were at the peak, WB would demolish him no problem.. the skill gap was still evident when WB was injured.

The fight was a tie in my opinion, but if it continued, then Akainu would still have no chance of winning. I mean, Whitebeard had part of his head taken off but was still fighting. I don't know how strong Whitebeard was in comparison to other Yonkou, but I think this should be evidence enough that the Yonkou would beat the Marines. Even if Blackbeard is still not as strong as Whitebeard was, his devil fruit makes him pretty dangerous, assuming that Akainu is more than just his logia like Ace was.

 

[Rein Avara]

The fight was a tie in my opinion, but if it continued, then Akainu would still have no chance of winning. I mean, Whitebeard had part of his head taken off but was still fighting. I don't know how strong Whitebeard was in comparison to other Yonkou, but I think this should be evidence enough that the Yonkou would beat the Marines. Even if Blackbeard is still not as strong as Whitebeard was, his devil fruit makes him pretty dangerous, assuming that Akainu is more than just his logia like Ace was.

WB was the definition of a human tank, he withstood some pretty amazing attacks...personally I think if it weren't for the fact that Squardo hurt WB that marine Arc would have been a face roll for WB's crew up until he had to fight BB and Akainu.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Moderator Notice:
Added another option to the poll, in case there's a tie between the two.~ ladylola

 

[I Am Atomic]

Seems like Yonko's won. It's better to move this thread to somewhere else. Thanks Moderators.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

Yonko without question. The WG had to deploy all the Marines and Shichibukai just to face off against one of them. Imagine if all the Yonko decided to resolve their differences, unite, and collectively fight together against the WG. The WG would arguably not stand a chance. Heck, just reflect upon the reason why there is a Shichibukai system in place to begin with. The main reason for its existence is so that the WG can keep the balance of power equal between themselves and the pirates.

 

[Fuuji Genichiro]

the notion that the entire world government fought whitebeard is crap, Balckbeard had tons of non-blackbeard pirate allies and of the five shichibukai that came, none of them really did much, the most was taking down oars (isnt apart of the blackbeeard pirates) and they didnt even break a sweat. However this thread is still debatable as it is already known that any yonko captain>any admiral (after sengoku and garp retired that is). but mihawk was known to be around shanks level and doflamingo is about equal to or stronger than an admiral.
as i see it the seven shichibukai could match up to Big mom and Kaido with doflamingo and mihawk
and the admirals/vice admirals combined could fight the other two. I dont think any yonko could beat both akainu and kizaru at once (i doubt whitebeard could have)
the final trump card in the world governments favour....well two of them
1. CiC Kong, he was once the fleet admiral so he is/was a combatant, and to be fleet admiral above sengoku says something.
2. CP0, the elite haki unit used by the WG to capture Byrne World

and finally some of you confuse WG to be just Navy+shichibukai+CP
they do have a world military too (where issho and the other new admiral came from)

the yonko are stronger than b4 with BB instead of WB but while issho and the other admiral were in the military anyway, the WG has gotten weaker overall losing sengoku and garp,, i still see the WG winning.

But even then, Blackbeard was shown after time skip to actually be running from navy
in conclusion the WG is larger than alot of the people here think. Combined, they would wipe thier asses with the yonko, but its too risky to ignore all the other pirates and Dragon, maybe thats why they havent done so

 

[kkck]

Well, the government basically crapped its pants at the prospect of shanks and WB joining forces... And shanks presence ended the war. I would think that if shanks had taken WB's side after they showed the world government would have been destroyed. I don't see how its reasonable to argue the WG would be able to hold its ground here. 4 yonko, 3 or 4 people per crew capable of holding their ground against admirals... Its too much.

 

[Shasha23]

Well, the government basically crapped its pants at the prospect of shanks and WB joining forces... And shanks presence ended the war. I would think that if shanks had taken WB's side after they showed the world government would have been destroyed. I don't see how its reasonable to argue the WG would be able to hold its ground here. 4 yonko, 3 or 4 people per crew capable of holding their ground against admirals... Its too much.

when did the WG fight Whitebeard?
I only remember the Marines fighting him or did another war happen I don't know about?

 

[kkck]

when did the WG fight Whitebeard?
I only remember the Marines fighting him or did another war happen I don't know about?

It adds up to the same thing. WG = Marines. Unless the WG for some reason has a secret massive army somewhere which didn't come into play during the war against WB. And as far as we know the armies of individual nations are not a thing to be concerned off. The manga made the point that individual escapees from level 6 could put an entire nation at risk of disappearing. You could put the whole of the world's individual national armies here but most of them would probably die from merely being in close proximity to the hypothetical fight, they wouldn't even have to be directly attacked.

 

[Shasha23]

It adds up to the same thing. WG = Marines. Unless the WG for some reason has a secret massive army somewhere which didn't come into play during the war against WB. And as far as we know the armies of individual nations are not a thing to be concerned off. The manga made the point that individual escapees from level 6 could put an entire nation at risk of disappearing. You could put the whole of the world's individual national armies here but most of them would probably die from merely being in close proximity to the hypothetical fight, they wouldn't even have to be directly attacked.

the WG has a massive army with admiral level people in it, its called the World Millitary, Fujitora and Greenbull came from there, there should be countless others in that army as strong as those 2

 

[kkck]

the WG has a massive army with admiral level people in it, its called the World Millitary, Fujitora and Greenbull came from there, there should be countless others in that army as strong as those 2

WHen has a military ever been mentioned or implied anywhere? And fujitora and ryogoku certainly did not come from there, as far as we know they were drafted, not transferred from elsewhere.