American Politics

[kkck]

I wonder if there will even be a need for trump to build a wall if he becomes president... If he does the wall might as well do the opposite of keeping mexicans out, it might keep them from leaving...

 

[Charlie]

I wonder if there will even be a need for trump to build a wall if he becomes president... If he does the wall might as well do the opposite of keeping mexicans out, it might keep them from leaving...

You realize illegals ain't just Mexicans right?
I will favor a mass exodus of them illegals or deportation.
Strict yeah, but it needs to be done.

And Merkal will taken them so no worries...

 

[kkck]

You realize illegals ain't just Mexicans right?
I will favor a mass exodus of them illegals or deportation.
Strict yeah, but it needs to be done.

And Merkal will taken them so no worries...

I do! If anything many of my previous post have referenced that fact along with how the vast majority of them actually fly to the US....

 

[xi0]

Yeah, he's just trolling...

 

[M3J]

.........
I want them illegals out man - all of them.
Trump is the only choice in this illogical world that we live in.
Guess you're going for Hill or do you see mr sanders making out at the top still?

Fyi - heard a pro sanders advertisement.
The just of it goes something like trying to identify with the blacks, to get their support.
Apparently Mr Sanders, took part in the MLK protests and got arrested for being supportive.

On the Hills side - I am a woman - vote for me because I stand for women's rights. .
I have exp in this and being that.


Let that imagination wander my son.

If Bernie doesn't get it, then I'm not voting.

Bernie seems to care about everyone who aren't wealthy, while the republicans and Hillary seem to care about the wealthy.

Because.... hello.
He'll be president - duh?

Plus can't wait until he erects them 40 foot high walls man.

um, you do realize presidents don't have all the power, right? Otherwise Obama would have been able to do more no matter what the Congress said.

 

[z.5]

Whatever you think of Hillary... not voting because it isn't Berney is pretty much a vote for trump - so long as enough people share a similar view.

Sure, Hillary is as establisment as they come, but you need to decide what you want:
No change - or batshitcrazyloonyinatoupée change

Sure, no one really knows what changes Trump will bring (he may just be saying crazy shit as it appears to be the best way to get ahead in the Republican primaries... but I am not 100% sure) - but you can be pretty sure that Hillary won't be looking out for the majority of you (unless you are much richer than most).

Thing that annoys me most is Hillary's view that she deserves to be president...
I am not really sure she will be all that much worse than Obama - though I am a little worried that Trump may be.

That said... would be HIGHlarious if Trump actually was the next President of the US (of motherfucking) A.

 

[kkck]

I agree with zim here, the alternative to sanders shouldn't be to not vote.... At this point I am sure bernie is the candidate democrats wanted but not the one they are going to get. However the alternative to hillary at this point, depending on the republican contested convention of course, will be trump, cruz or kasich. Setting aside trump's rhetoric the issue here is that all 3 of them are offering more or less the same things. Kasich is in no form or context a sane alternative to any of them others (except perhaps cruz because cruz is a religious fundamentalist nutjob). Compared to trump his message is merely more optimistic, however that is not merely a cosmetic change, it is not a change in substance. Even if "voting for" sanders is not an option, the sane alternative should be to "vote against" the insanity that is the republican party.

 

[SharkBait]

M3J, I uncovered irrefutable proof that refugees and their children are security liabilities.

"The agency said Nicola "misrepresented material facts" on his application for a study permit to Canada, submitting an application with a date of birth of Nov. 25, 1998 — which would make him 17. The agency says when Nicola recently applied for a U.S. visitor visa, a fingerprint match determined he was an individual who had made a previous application to the U.S. using a date of birth of Nov. 1, 1986 — making him 29."

With refugees lying about identity they pose danger to the lives of citizens.

 

[xi0]

With refugees lying about identity they pose danger to the lives of citizens.

Where exactly is it said that he was a danger to anyone? Despite this ridiculous situation, you haven't found proof at all.

 

[M3J]

Whatever you think of Hillary... not voting because it isn't Berney is pretty much a vote for trump - so long as enough people share a similar view.

Sure, Hillary is as establisment as they come, but you need to decide what you want:
No change - or batshitcrazyloonyinatoupée change

Sure, no one really knows what changes Trump will bring (he may just be saying crazy shit as it appears to be the best way to get ahead in the Republican primaries... but I am not 100% sure) - but you can be pretty sure that Hillary won't be looking out for the majority of you (unless you are much richer than most).

Thing that annoys me most is Hillary's view that she deserves to be president...
I am not really sure she will be all that much worse than Obama - though I am a little worried that Trump may be.

That said... would be HIGHlarious if Trump actually was the next President of the US (of motherfucking) A.

meh, I don't even care who wins if it's not Bernie. Trump or Cruz just means we're fucked, while Hillary... I don't know. But I know none of them bar Bernie will be looking out for anyone who isn't wealthy, especially the republicans and conservatives. I'm sure only Bernie will be the one who's not worse than Obama, who wasn't that bad to begin with.

I agree with zim here, the alternative to sanders shouldn't be to not vote.... At this point I am sure bernie is the candidate democrats wanted but not the one they are going to get. However the alternative to hillary at this point, depending on the republican contested convention of course, will be trump, cruz or kasich. Setting aside trump's rhetoric the issue here is that all 3 of them are offering more or less the same things. Kasich is in no form or context a sane alternative to any of them others (except perhaps cruz because cruz is a religious fundamentalist nutjob). Compared to trump his message is merely more optimistic, however that is not merely a cosmetic change, it is not a change in substance. Even if "voting for" sanders is not an option, the sane alternative should be to "vote against" the insanity that is the republican party.

I don't think democrats wanted Bernie.

M3J, I uncovered irrefutable proof that refugees and their children are security liabilities.

"The agency said Nicola "misrepresented material facts" on his application for a study permit to Canada, submitting an application with a date of birth of Nov. 25, 1998 — which would make him 17. The agency says when Nicola recently applied for a U.S. visitor visa, a fingerprint match determined he was an individual who had made a previous application to the U.S. using a date of birth of Nov. 1, 1986 — making him 29."

With refugees lying about identity they pose danger to the lives of citizens.

Did you even read the article? That's in no way proof of anything, much less security liability. Nicola was in no way dangerous to society.

You just proved that refugees are not dangerous at all, they just want to do things that they enjoy like playing basketball and living. Good job showing they're harmless. And if I recall, I was talking about US, and Canada is not US. Basically, you just 100% proved yourself wrong.

 

[SharkBait]

Did you even read the article? That's in no way proof of anything, much less security liability. Nicola was in no way dangerous to society.

You just proved that refugees are not dangerous at all, they just want to do things that they enjoy like playing basketball and living. Good job showing they're harmless. And if I recall, I was talking about US, and Canada is not US. Basically, you just 100% proved yourself wrong.

It means these people can assume identities and invade our schools and other places put lives at risk if they wanted to. This situation shows that these people endanger society. Would you want a 30 yr old playing with your kids on a competitive level? And what if this situation is currently going on here, people perfectly blended into society, waiting to do something heinous.

 

[xi0]

It means these people can assume identities and invade our schools and other places put lives at risk if they wanted to. This situation shows that these people endanger society. Would you want a 30 yr old playing with your kids on a competitive level? And what if this situation is currently going on here, people perfectly blended into society, waiting to do something heinous.

Yeah, like playing basketball!...what's next? Soccer? TRACK AND FIELD?????? Oh the humanity!!!

 

[M3J]

It means these people can assume identities and invade our schools and other places put lives at risk if they wanted to. This situation shows that these people endanger society. Would you want a 30 yr old playing with your kids on a competitive level? And what if this situation is currently going on here, people perfectly blended into society, waiting to do something heinous.

Just admit you're wrong and have no proof, there's no shame in that. No one's life was at risk, and the only reason he got away with it for so long was because he wanted to play basketball, not hurt people. These people, especially Nicola, have not endangered society. Instead of going after refugees with no basis or proof, focus on making sure our citizens are behaving as they're the ones who endanger society the most.

Yet, has any of them in the country done something heinous? how many have? Very few people have succeeded, while many more have been caught. If the media is to be trusted even remotely, these terrorists or wannabes were usually caught. Again, you have no proof refugees are dangerous, or more dangerous than citizens,and you have offered no proof that refugee children are dangerous.

I can say the same about gun owning American citizens, they pretend to be good and law abiding, but they're waiting for an opportunity to do something heinous, like mass shooting in a mall or theater. We've actually had more cases of American citizens going on a shooting spree than we have refugees committing dastardly attacks. I also don't see what's so dangerous about a person who lied just so he could play basketball. Still safer than republicans and conservatives lying about Planned Parenthood or our vetting process or the dangers of refugees just to stop PP or ban refugees from entering the country. Especially when stopping Planned Parenthood and banning abortion puts women's lives in danger.


so yeah, offer actual proof, not someone in Canada lying just because he wants to play basketball.

 

[TotalEconomist]

Yeah, like playing basketball!...what's next? Soccer? TRACK AND FIELD?????? Oh the humanity!!!

Sounds like the plot of a sitcom, really.

Anyway, there are better and more practical solutions to illegal immigration, like making easier to obtain a green card or creating an easier path to citizenship. Right now, immigration is something like this (or a very, very, simplified tree).

 

[shionoro]

Personally, i see this as a sure bet for clinton.
Sanders cannot catch up anymore (realistically) and Trump is not going to win against her either (because i think there are even more reps not voting if it is trump than dems not voting if it is not sanders).
And I am fine with that (not licing there though^^).
She has made clear that her policy will orient itself after Obama, and in my opinion, obama was a pretty good president (if you take into account how much effort the reps put into blocking out his actions).

Sure, she will hardly be an extreme reformist like Sanders might have been (but again, let's take blocking into account), but that simply means that, after all, even in this election, establishment was more popular than extreme reformation (or, fortunately, extreme populism).

In my opinion, the reps have to work a lot in the next time to even stay relevant. They didnt do themselves a favour with their shift towards more extreme candidates like cruz and trump and they begin to realize that (the more moderate of them, anyway).

Young voters rather tend to democratic parties, and nonwhite voters do, too.
The classic white establishment on the other hand is getting smaller on the long run, and so is the republican base.
I think it is possible to convince a bigger chunk of latino and black voters or even young voters of republican values if they go for (real) conservative family politics and a working class friendly politics (ideally, not by lying about making a policy for them like trump while proposing the opposite ), but at the moment they hardly can get latino votes with people who call all mexicans rapists and clinton is big on black voters anyway.

The republicans do not stand for values anymore but for stereotypes, and i think that this is their biggest problem.
A conservative party cannot exist if the morals they claim to defend are not trustworthy anymore.

 

[M3J]

Sounds like the plot of a sitcom, really.

Anyway, there are better and more practical solutions to illegal immigration, like making easier to obtain a green card or creating an easier path to citizenship. Right now, immigration is something like this (or a very, very, simplified tree).

Well, for some people the best solution is to block immigration. If you've seen Sharkbait's posts earlier, many of them have problems with immigrants, legal or not, stealing their jobs. If I recall, that was one of the reasons for the riots over a century ago in NYC, where the Irish and blacks were attacked.

 

[SharkBait]

Anyway, there are better and more practical solutions to illegal immigration, like making easier to obtain a green card or creating an easier path to citizenship. Right now, immigration is something like this (or a very, very, simplified tree).

If we accept that immigrants can be security liabilities then it doesnt really make sense to make it much easier for them to gain access to our country. Worst if these people have anti American feelings, then making it easier for them to become citizens would also make it easier for them to get state and federal government jobs, again, this doesnt make sense if we accept that immigrants from terror infested countries are security timebombs waiting to explode. Lastly, we have the issue of immigrants stealing jobs from hard working Americans, so again, making it easier for them to get here would result in terrible repercussions for American employment.

Personally, i see this as a sure bet for clinton.
Sanders cannot catch up anymore (realistically) and Trump is not going to win against her either (because i think there are even more reps not voting if it is trump than dems not voting if it is not sanders).

I dont see Sanders plan for the White House. A mass exodus of Clinton's delegates would have to take place and Sanders fans would have to hope the polls are wrong.

 

[M3J]

I don't think you know what security liability means, or the irony of you calling immigrants and refugees in US security liabilities. If you were really concerned with security liability, you wouldn't be supporting guns for everyone.

 

[Dragoon]

Damn I missed so much... why do I stop receiving notifications even tho I never "unwatched" this thread?

 

[SharkBait]

I don't think you know what security liability means, or the irony of you calling immigrants and refugees in US security liabilities. If you were really concerned with security liability, you wouldn't be supporting guns for everyone.

Undocumented illegals are clearly security liabilities. If you don't know who they are or what they are here for or where they are supposed to be then there is a great problem to security. The same is true of refugees, if we dont know who they are truly working for, what their creed is, and if they truly stand for traditional American values, then they are security liabilities and must be either prevented from coming to the country or faced greater difficulty coming. Perhaps they ought to register in a national reigstrar and have increased governmental surveillance placed on them to ensure Americans are safe.

Guns are not security liabilities. They are recreational devices used to play with skeets or to participate in the hundreds of thousand square miles of American wilderness for game. We should not limit access to these devices as they are harmful when in the right hands.