American Politics

[M3J]

Trump's gonna win again if he doesn't get impeached, and that's probably more due to the left only wanting the perfect candidate.

 

[xi0]

The "perfect candidate" could be nearly anyone that isn't Trump at this point...

 

[SonOfDaws]

Democrats eye quick impeachment probe of Trump as freshmen push for focus on Ukraine

WASHINGTON - House Democratic leaders are eyeing a fast-paced investigation into the...

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Highlights:

Some senior Democrats are even arguing that other committees should forego any potentially explosive hearings that could distract from the intelligence panel's work, complicating other investigative committees' plans for the fall.


"Very few hearings, if any," said a senior Democratic aide, who said the coming investigative work will largely take place in closed-door interviews. The aide spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly.

"The stakes are extraordinarily high politically, and if we do this wrong and we get ahead of the majority of Americans, this could actually lead to a much worse fate, which is Trump getting reelected, Democrats lose in the House and lose in the Senate," the aide said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly about private concerns. "This process is going to take time. Nobody knows how long it will take to shift public opinion."

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Why is the "democratic" party trying to conduct Investigations out of the public eye? Why would "representatives" be trying to shift public opinion as opposed to following it? How often does water wait for the tide to come in? It doesn't: It's water.

This isn't a system flowing as it should. It's system of people desperately trying to scape a victory back from the running joke from 2016.

 

[kkck]

That sounds like usual democrat cowardice. They have a clear issue which should be investigated simply because it is the correct and ethical thing to do. The WH presented their version of the conversation. They have information from the intelligence community. They have words from trump himself... And the saddest part is that the political analysis they are doing is as wrong as they are cowardly. They have at least 2/3s of all democrats, their base, on board with impeachment and instead they are clearly worried about what right wingers say. Setting aside that they should follow through with this simply because it is the right thing to do, it's actually good politics to listen to your base.

 

[M3J]

The "perfect candidate" could be nearly anyone that isn't Trump at this point...

Not necessarily, as I've seen some left wingers express doubt in voting for an actual good candidate just because they're pro-Israel.

Andrew Yang though, other than Universal Basic Income, seems to be an iffy candidate with how he defends racism and shit and goes for "BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN" argument. Damn centrists.

 

[xi0]

Not necessarily, as I've seen some left wingers express doubt in voting for an actual good candidate just because they're pro-Israel.

Andrew Yang though, other than Universal Basic Income, seems to be an iffy candidate with how he defends racism and shit and goes for "BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN" argument. Damn centrists.

How does Yang "defend racism"? Is this some sort of reference to the fired SNL cast member or something?

I don't think I would label Yang as centrist either... You could maybe say that about someone like Klobuchar or Biden. But Yang? lol

 

[SonOfDaws]

That sounds like usual democrat cowardice. They have a clear issue which should be investigated simply because it is the correct and ethical thing to do. The WH presented their version of the conversation. They have information from the intelligence community. They have words from trump himself... And the saddest part is that the political analysis they are doing is as wrong as they are cowardly. They have at least 2/3s of all democrats, their base, on board with impeachment and instead they are clearly worried about what right wingers say. Setting aside that they should follow through with this simply because it is the right thing to do, it's actually good politics to listen to your base.

I'm saying this as a person who wants a far better candidate than Trump: The last time I took a look at the polls, Trump had about a 50% approval rating. That's remarkably high for some to be impeached at, especially when there's still no hard evidence of a crime.

 

[kkck]

I'm saying this as a person who wants a far better candidate than Trump: The last time I took a look at the polls, Trump had about a 50% approval rating. That's remarkably high for some to be impeached at, especially when there's still no hard evidence of a crime.

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That's an aggregate of trump's approval. Not once during his entire presidency has he hit 50%. He is still in one of his more popular moments and it's still the low 40s.... And there is plenty of evidence of at a minimum constant grossly unethical behavior, if not outright crimes. The muller report was in no form or context favorable for trump (10 instances of obstruction of justice which muller wouldn't indict and congress was too cowardly to pursue, and just overall disgusting behavior through people in his campaign) and now you have the ukraine thing...

Add to that that the ukraine thing might not even be the real news in spite of how big it is depending on what exactly trump did with those conversations with other countries which were apparently stored in a different system from the other that they were supposed to be using....

 

[SonOfDaws]

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That's an aggregate of trump's approval. Not once during his entire presidency has he hit 50%. He is still in one of his more popular moments and it's still the low 40s.... And there is plenty of evidence of at a minimum constant grossly unethical behavior, if not outright crimes. The muller report was in no form or context favorable for trump (10 instances of obstruction of justice which muller wouldn't indict and congress was too cowardly to pursue, and just overall disgusting behavior through people in his campaign) and now you have the ukraine thing...

Add to that that the ukraine thing might not even be the real news in spite of how big it is depending on what exactly trump did with those conversations with other countries which were apparently stored in a different system from the other that they were supposed to be using....

I took a glance through that and I can't say I'm too impressed with it, but the site could be okay. There's a lot of repeat aggregations and a lot of sources I know next to nothing about. It's possible that they have a system that takes that into account, but I'm not sure.

Despite the years worth of claims that it is, "Grossly unethical behavior is not an impeachable offence.

"no form or context favorable for trump"?... The primary focus of the inquiry was determining if he or his team colluded with Russia for political gain. Nothing came out about that. Yes, there were instances where it was noted that the possibility, but nothing hard was presented.

Putting aside what either one of us think about the report itself, if there was something solid, then why would they wait until someone gossiped (true or not, that's exactly what the Ukraine complaint is) about Trump in order to officially start an impeachment attempt? Why would they have to do closed-door investigation with "few hearings [with others] if any"? Cowardice just doesn't seem to cut it.

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Again, I'm no fan of Trump.

GOP lawmaker blasts Trump for quoting pastor warning of civil war over impeachment

Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) on Sunday criticized President Trump for quoting a pastor saying impeachment could trigger a “Civil War like fracture” in the country.”I have…

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I do not want a president that says things like that, but I'm not going to let some shady figures "shift public opinion," including my own opinion, and lead us to do something stupid for their own political gain.

 

[M3J]

How does Yang "defend racism"? Is this some sort of reference to the fired SNL cast member or something?

I don't think I would label Yang as centrist either... You could maybe say that about someone like Klobuchar or Biden. But Yang? lol

Yeah, and I'm trying to remember if there's any more such instances. He seems to be centrist enough

 

[SonOfDaws]

If redistributing wealth is seen as "centrist" by the majority of people nowadays, then we're pretty damn lost as a nation.

 

[kkck]

Redistributing wealth is not really a term that means anything without being clear on what specific policies you are talking about. Clearly there is a difference between redistributing wealth via collecting taxes to pay for education, infrastructure and medicine and redistributing wealth via, say,just arbitrarily taking land from people and giving it to others. As for yang.... I suppose he is at the left but he doesn't exactly fit with other leftwing people. Policy wise he seems to be campaigning on ideas which are just barely being discussed by economist as thought experiments. universal basic income is something which is being discussed but it hasn't been applied anywhere yet. Though politically of course the idea has traction in some places. I'd characterize yang as a fringe leftwinger rather than as a centrist. With the context being that his economic proposals are not quite tested and tried. On another note, I doubt people in the US would be willing to pay the taxes they would need to pay for others to have an universal basic income... to begin with you have people that object to paying for taxes for stuff they would use like health care...

 

[xi0]

Yeah, and I'm trying to remember if there's any more such instances. He seems to be centrist enough

There is no instance of him "defending racism". He said he was willing to meet with him because thinks we need to be "more forgiving and less punitive". If he was "defending" Gillis he would have made excuses for what he said and he didn't do that, he did the opposite.

universal basic income is something which is being discussed but it hasn't been applied anywhere yet.

Alaska has it in effect. There have been "experiments" with it in the past in other states as well.

His whole point is that automation is going to cut down on available jobs, particularly in unskilled labor. Our population is only going to get larger as well. We may reach a point where there simply aren't enough jobs for people. His system of UBI would replace the sort of welfare that the government already pays out.

 

[M3J]

There is no instance of him "defending racism". He said he was willing to meet with him because thinks we need to be "more forgiving and less punitive". If he was "defending" Gillis he would have made excuses for what he said and he didn't do that, he did the opposite.

If it was years ago, and the person changed since then, then yeah I agree, but otherwise we need to be harsher towards racists.


Redistributing the wealth is a great idea, but in a way that helps people, like providing people with insurance, fixing infrastructure, increasing grants and money for education, and UBI or whatnot where people can make ends meet more easily. Otherwise what's the point if the 99% don't benefit in making their lives easier?

 

[xi0]

If it was years ago, and the person changed since then, then yeah I agree, but otherwise we need to be harsher towards racists.

Harsher how exactly? He lost his job, no one is defending his actions. Having a conversation with someone directly affected by his comments can be way more constructive than anything else.

 

[SonOfDaws]

Some good news for a change:

 

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and one more drops out

 

[M3J]

#GoJonStewart

 

[kkck]

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For anyone interesting in what has been going on in the trump-ukraine hearings-investigations.

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Ok so.... that was unexpected. A bunch fo witness from trump's staff and even trump donors testify that trump used US foreign policy to try and benefit his campaign over an unhinged conspiracy theory and... support for impeachment goes down? Alternative facts for the win!

 

[Charlie]

Giving this a bump due to the fact whilst at work so many peeps and radio hosts just ramble on how much they hate Trump. Want his impeachment, etc.
Kind of annoying though since im not into politics much but can't escape the conovs smh.