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I'm assuming (and I wanna emphasize this is just an assumption) that they snuck some sort of combustable agent into the pagers while they were being manufatured. Something that explodes once the lithium batteries are forced to overheat. Then you just send signals to these pagers through whatever method they normally recieve signals from that overheats the batteries and boom.
Lol, someone actually suggested that to me earlier. But... to me logistics of that seem crazy. As in, you identify the manufacturer, infiltrate the factory with bombs, reach the assembly line and place tiny bombs in hundreds or thousands of pagers which you then patiently wait to get delivered to your enemies? At that point you gotta assume the manufacturer was in on it. And I could buy a manufacturer being owned by a jewish person and even collaborating with israel but the sheer amount of bad publicity this would in sane cases would be enough of a deterrent IMO.

My guess was a bit more sci fi, they identified the devices, found some flaw in the security or design and somehow get some bad code in which caused them to malfunction and explode.
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Welp, according a NYT article bombs were planted in taiwanese made devices... Which is wild. The article doesn't make it sound like this is a certainty though.
 

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Dissapointing if Taiwan actually agreed to this heinous plan, wow.
 

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Lol, someone actually suggested that to me earlier. But... to me logistics of that seem crazy. As in, you identify the manufacturer, infiltrate the factory with bombs, reach the assembly line and place tiny bombs in hundreds or thousands of pagers which you then patiently wait to get delivered to your enemies? At that point you gotta assume the manufacturer was in on it. And I could buy a manufacturer being owned by a jewish person and even collaborating with israel but the sheer amount of bad publicity this would in sane cases would be enough of a deterrent IMO.

My guess was a bit more sci fi, they identified the devices, found some flaw in the security or design and somehow get some bad code in which caused them to malfunction and explode.
Well, it's possible that the pagers aren't made locally. Intercepting the pagers and altering them would work too.

Welp, according a NYT article bombs were planted in taiwanese made devices... Which is wild. The article doesn't make it sound like this is a certainty though.
Ah, well that'd make sense. Because if they're imported, then the items would have to be checked through some sort of port, where they could be confiscated, armed with exploses, and have their delivery location determined for the most effective terrorist attack.
 

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Well, it's possible that the pagers aren't made locally. Intercepting the pagers and altering them would work too.



Ah, well that'd make sense. Because if they're imported, then the items would have to be checked through some sort of port, where they could be confiscated, armed with exploses, and have their delivery location determined for the most effective terrorist attack.
That sounds even crazier to me. As in, finding crates of beepers in some port along the way between taiwan and the final destination... Then you'd have to fit into potentially thousands of beepers an explosive agent... by hand? Then perfectly put them all back together. Then they all work and not one explodes by accident. And since they did it to walkie talkies then repeat this process with those as well. And whatever else they have done this to. I feel like it'd be easier for israel to have simply switched the beepers somewhere on the way to lebanon.... . Just looking at a map israel is right in between lebanon and suez canal. lots of ships going to lebanon will likely stop first at some israel port.
 

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That sounds even crazier to me. As in, finding crates of beepers in some port along the way between taiwan and the final destination... Then you'd have to fit into potentially thousands of beepers an explosive agent... by hand? Then perfectly put them all back together.
Sure, I can't imagine it'd be hard to find someone that works in manufacturing that wouldn't be able to learn how to do this. Heck, it could be as simple as putting a baggy of explosive powder behind the battery, or in a the nooks and crannies where it fits. You wouldn't have to dissassemble much, just pop the lid off, insert the substance, and re close it.

Dissapointing if Taiwan actually agreed to this heinous plan, wow.
We don't know that yet. The pagers could have just been intercepted on the way to Lebanon by Israel.

Then they all work and not one explodes by accident. And since they did it to walkie talkies then repeat this process with those as well. And whatever else they have done this to. I feel like it'd be easier for israel to have simply switched the beepers somewhere on the way to lebanon.... . Just looking at a map israel is right in between lebanon and suez canal. lots of ships going to lebanon will likely stop first at some israel port.
That's possible too, yeah. Just saying that there's no reason yet to assume that Taiwan was in on the attacks. Israel could intercept the pagers, replace OR tamper with them, and then send them where they want them to go.
 

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Wanting your people to stop being murdered ISN'T the blackmail. It's the "I have this thing that will harm you unless you do what I say." part. The thing in this scenario is: the vote that will determine whether democracy dies or not.

Though admittedly, I used the wrong word. It isn't blackmail. Blackmail is specifically secret info that you're holding in order to force someone to do what you want under fear of having said info leaked. A better word would be extortion: obtaining something from someone through force or threats. In other words: "I'm threatening to vote Republican or not vote Democrat if you don't support Palestine."



That's unfortunate, but I'm not that torn up about it (anymore). Because I underestimated just how much more of us than there are than you. You know 400 THOUSAND people have just registered to vote in 24 hours just because Taylor Swift said so? How many of those 400k are anti Democrat do you think? How many are running around with watermelon face paint or keffiyeh?

Take note that vandalism, virtue signaling, anti-semitism, threats to throw the election, and a self-immolation was all negged by a single tweet from a pop star. I know it sounds like I'm rubbing it in, but I'm actually not, I'm just being so real with you right now: don't let perfect be the enemy of good. You can't win people over to your side the way you guys have been trying. You're just ostracizing normies and guaranteeing you'll never have the votes to get anything done.

Learn this lesson for the next time.
Democracy has been dead for decades, and the fact that Dems, supposedly the last defense for democracy, have been funding cops and trying to outlaw BDS and criticisms against Zionism under the threat of police violence proved it. What they're doing is not blackmail, just like anyone they have a condition for voting for someone, and if that person doesn't meet the condition, then why should they vote for them? You keep claiming democracy is at risk, but if you keep forcing or shaming people into voting for someone that they don't want to vote for, how is that democracy? If Harris says she all of the sudden supports banning abortion and is against LGBT+ rights, things that you're again, would you still vote for her?

That's not extortion either. What you're doing is more of an extortion than a group of people who vote based on what they agree with, like with any other voter. Or most of them anyway.

Anti-Semitism from whom? Far more Palestinian supporters have defended Jewish people than Zionists and Zionist supporters, and IOF themselves have attacked Jewish people who sided with Palestine. Ironic of you to talk about learning lessons when Dems lost embarrassingly in 2016, and because they haven't learned their lesson 2024 is closer than it should be, Harris at 50% and Trump at 46% I think. There's no way this should be that close when we saw what happened during his presidency and the four years after.

It's actually embarrassing how bad Dems are at politics. They can actually tell Israel to stop attacking Palestinians and get a ceasefire going, which would help them, but they refuse to do that because they care more about Israel's money than winning.


I'm not talking about newsfeeds, I'm talking about what kind of impact it'll have. I don't believe there's a notable contingent of voters going "wow they keep trying to kill him, I NEED to vote for this guy" who aren't already voting for him.
I think it'll make some people think, "they're trying to kill this guy. Must be for a reason, he might actually be a good choice and the establishment is scared of that!"
I'm surprised no one brought up the detonated pagers yet. It's... pretty fucked up.
Israel has been doing far far worse to Palestinians, they commit war crimes after war crimes because they know they can get away with it. Zionists were rioting being told they couldn't rape prisoners, if I remember correctly, few weeks ago.
 

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I am not in the US but even I met folk who went something "I don't even like trump but seeing the guy immediately after being shot at was fucking inspiring". My newsfeed and twitter stuff were like that for a while as well (of course, this was at a time where Biden would have lost to anything). I suppose it's a bit of a separate discussion but as far as I can tell democrats had and have a serious problem with the latino vote and kamala isn't a solution to that (I do think there's a big difference between first and second/third generations latinos though).
Not to be that guy, but they were probably mostly bots or bad faith actors. I could be completely wrong and maybe the polls are only "close" because people keep trying to kill him, but I've yet to really consider it much of a determining factor.
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I'd probably consider it differently if it was an attempt that was documented better with pics and video
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I think it'll make some people think, "they're trying to kill this guy. Must be for a reason, he might actually be a good choice and the establishment is scared of that!"
Those people are voting for Trump anyway IMO
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Beeper/WalkieTalkie shit is most likely Mossad. Which logistically sounds crazy, but if you pay attention to half of the shit people accuse Mossad of it really isn't. The electronics came from Hungary, which doesn't immediately make them culpable, but given who runs that country it isn't that surprising. Trump's bff Orban is a fascist just like Netanyahu.
 

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Not to be that guy, but they were probably mostly bots or bad faith actors. I could be completely wrong and maybe the polls are only "close" because people keep trying to kill him, but I've yet to really consider it much of a determining factor.
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I'd probably consider it differently if it was an attempt that was documented better with pics and video
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Those people are voting for Trump anyway IMO
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Beeper/WalkieTalkie shit is most likely Mossad. Which logistically sounds crazy, but if you pay attention to half of the shit people accuse Mossad of it really isn't. The electronics came from Hungary, which doesn't immediately make them culpable, but given who runs that country it isn't that surprising. Trump's bff Orban is a fascist just like Netanyahu.
My twitter is mostly folk from my country though. And sure, a bunch of that could be bots(but obviously not reporters or political commentators). But as i said, i met actual human beings who were all "i hate trumps guts but that stuff is downright inspirational". And variations of that from people who love trump naturally.


The article i read says the beepers come from a taiwan, no idea about the walkie talkies.
 

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My twitter is mostly folk from my country though. And sure, a bunch of that could be bots(but obviously not reporters or political commentators). But as i said, i met actual human beings who were all "i hate trumps guts but that stuff is downright inspirational". And variations of that from people who love trump naturally.


The article i read says the beepers come from a taiwan, no idea about the walkie talkies.
Well fair enough. I saw those kinds of reactions as well, but I still don't see where that gets fence-sitters to vote. People generally don't agree with politicians being executed, so it's not something that relates to some sort of political stance.

The electronics were made in Taiwan yeah, but the shipment came from Hungary supposedly
 

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So there's more information on the pagers... from NYT:

" By all appearances, B.A.C. Consulting was a Hungary-based company that was under contract to produce the devices on behalf of a Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo. In fact, it was part of an Israeli front, according to three intelligence officers briefed on the operation. They said at least two other shell companies were created as well to mask the real identities of the people creating the pagers: Israeli intelligence officers. "

I don't think this is definitive yet but.... holy shit.
 

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So there's more information on the pagers... from NYT:

" By all appearances, B.A.C. Consulting was a Hungary-based company that was under contract to produce the devices on behalf of a Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo. In fact, it was part of an Israeli front, according to three intelligence officers briefed on the operation. They said at least two other shell companies were created as well to mask the real identities of the people creating the pagers: Israeli intelligence officers. "

I don't think this is definitive yet but.... holy shit.
At this point, the middle east is downright delusional if they think they can wipe Israel off the map permanently.
 

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At this point, the middle east is downright delusional if they think they can wipe Israel off the map permanently.
Seriously... We are at a point where Israel is setting up shell companies to infiltrate their enemies' supply lines while hezbollah is trying to use pagers to avoid getting spied on by smartphones. I don't doubt hezbollah has the capacity to cause harm but going low tech vs high tech will yield at best short term results and screw you over in the long term. Hence this looping around bac to iran getting nukes...
 

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So this is the guy Trump endorsed as "MLK on steroids" for governor race in NC...


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At this point, the middle east is downright delusional if they think they can wipe Israel off the map permanently.
I don't think that approach is the way to look at it. The better way to look at is why are other countries verbally and financially supporting a "democracy" that is capable of and willing to do these kinds of things? This is no different than the terrorism they like to bring up as justification for their actions.
 

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Yeah, yesterday he was being called by Republicans to step down before this story went live. I dunno if that means they were aware their political enemies were releasing it, or that they wanted a different candidate and was threatening him to drop out before THEY released the info.
 

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So this is the guy Trump endorsed as "MLK on steroids" for governor race in NC...
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Obviously this is the kind of shit that could flip NC blue, but of course we know it probably won't
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:lmao
 

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Crazy how anti-LGBT+ bigots are usually the ones that are the actual problems. Wild. Unforeseeable. No projection at all.
 

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You know, I think I've figured out why black Republicans are so god damned crazy and cartoonishly extra. We (black men) kind of have to over-correct for the negative stereotypes that follow us... well, everywhere. And not just that, we kinda have to work harder to fit in by performing actions that distract from our skin color (hopefully). We can't just be a guy who's part of the same group our white friends are: we have to EARN our spot so no one hits us with otherizing statements to ruin our enjoyment of whatever unity we've found in these groups. Black Republicans can't just be pro 2A or fiscally conservative. They have to be "black Nazis".

I think that's where people like Mark Robinson come in. And Candace Owens, to a lesser degree (I think she's more grifter than true believer, but I think Mark's a true believer). You can't just be a black guy that wants to be a guy. You've gotta earn the right to just be "a guy."

I mean I'm old enough and have good enough friends where I don't feel a need to "perform" for my friends like I did as a kid but... I still use my "white voice" when I talk to police or my boss at work.
 
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Yeah, yesterday he was being called by Republicans to step down before this story went live. I dunno if that means they were aware their political enemies were releasing it, or that they wanted a different candidate and was threatening him to drop out before THEY released the info.
The Democrats already knew about all of this and even more before and during the Republican primaries, but they kept quiet because they expected Trump to endorse Robinson and to use it at a later point when it actually hurts. Like now. This guy is bad news, he is like Trump but without his "charm" similar to Vance. Not a good mix. Right now all Republicans are deleting their X history with Robinson which means they do know that even worse stuff is to come and they try to not be associated with him despite showing up with him all the time and doing campaigns with and for him. Don't think that will help most of them, the internet barely forgets anything.

Obviously this is the kind of shit that could flip NC blue, but of course we know it probably won't
But if, IF, it does turn blue, if it actually does turn blue like it did once under Obama, then Trump pretty much has no chance of winning even with his whole plan of changing the Nebraska voting system to winner takes all. I hope that Harris does pull ahead in the NC polls in the coming weeks and that they are accurate this time.

I mean I'm old enough and have good enough friends where I don't feel a need to "perform" for my friends like I did as a kid but... I still use my "white voice" when I talk to police or my boss at work.
That reminds me of when Republicans accused Harris of faking her "black voice" or "ghetto speech" or whatever when she was speaking in front of a large mainly black crowd in one of the swing states. To which I thought, isn't it normal to change your voice depending on the situation you are in and depending on who you are talking to? That doesn't have to be a "black" or "white" voice, its just an "appropriate and fitting" voice, after all we humans usually strife to be liked by others thus adapting accordingly, no matter our age.
 

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The Democrats already knew about all of this and even more before and during the Republican primaries, but they kept quiet because they expected Trump to endorse Robinson and to use it at a later point when it actually hurts. Like now. This guy is bad news, he is like Trump but without his "charm" similar to Vance. Not a good mix. Right now all Republicans are deleting their X history with Robinson which means they do know that even worse stuff is to come and they try to not be associated with him despite showing up with him all the time and doing campaigns with and for him. Don't think that will help most of them, the internet barely forgets anything.
I've known of him for years, but I would've never thought he'd have been groomed (heh) as a Trump chosen governor. Just goes to show how much sucking up to Donald Trump can boost your status in the party.

That reminds me of when Republicans accused Harris of faking her "black voice" or "ghetto speech" or whatever when she was speaking in front of a large mainly black crowd in one of the swing states. To which I thought, isn't it normal to change your voice depending on the situation you are in and depending on who you are talking to? That doesn't have to be a "black" or "white" voice, its just an "appropriate and fitting" voice, after all we humans usually strife to be liked by others thus adapting accordingly, no matter our age.
Code switching (that's the term) is a thing everyone does everywhere, it's not just a black thing, correct. You're right. Still: people only bring it up when they want to ostracize someone from their self-identified group. It's a No True Scotsman fallacy. "You're not really one of us/one of this group, because of an arbitrary distinction I'm drawing in order to make my point." Like saying "Black people don't listen to country music" or "Conservatives can't be pro choice." Or "Trans women aren't women."
 

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I've been watching some The Jubilee videos on TikTok, Dean vs. republicans, and goddamn republicans are stupid and bad at arguing. The way they kept claiming Harris slept her way to the top, and Dean was asking if she slept with over 1 million people because she got that many votes.
 
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