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Not bad so far i must say. I really hope it will be an arc to remember.
There is a lot of mystery surrounding Black, it adds a lot more suspense, which i really like.
Could do withoui Pilaf and his gang though. Never liked them.
 

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I don't see how the manga makes more sense. Maybe Kaioken SSBx10 is a bit ridiculous but I am used to these kind of things in shonen and Dragon Ball. Hit perfecting his technique during combat because he had never been in such a situation before is reasonable as well IMO, it's nothing new.

Hit has never been said to be weaker than Goku and Vegeta in SSB. As @Zehahaha said Vegeta losing like that makes no sense considering the power gap, I don't see how he'd have less than a 10th of his full power because he used it to OHKO Cabba as well.

In the anime, Hit's Ki never grows stronger, he was already the strongest because of his more powerful Ki, at the level of a SSB. He evolved during battle by perfecting his Time-Skip and fighting style. In the manga, Hit is hiding his power and should be at a level comparable to Base Cabba since he is outclassed by SSJ Goku in terms of power. If even SSJ Goku could take Hit's attacks like that, how could SSB Vegeta, even with a tenth of his power be affected like that?

In the anime, the one thing which can be considered illogical to an extent(IMO) is the fact that Hit tanked so many of Goku's attacks, but in the end this is just a matter of durability so even that I can accept. Hit's blows on Goku were damaging him because of his consecutive attacks during the extended Time-Skips, Goku outclasses him in raw power but Hit barely manages to keep up because of his better Time-Skip, Goku decides to give up because he realizes that Hit couldn't use deadly moves even though he was able to finish him. In the manga, Vegeta's loss, his huge loss of power and Goku's transformation make no sense.
The tanking would make no sense in either in the anime or manga. For the most part with properly biological beings tanking has never worked like that. Tanking has been always dependent of the strength of ki. Which means that regardless of which one is it it makes no sense that hit would be able to take goku's or vegeta's attacks in any form. Would krillin beat cell with time skip? Of course not, with such an overwhelmingly large difference in power krillin would still be unable to even scratch cell regardless of anything. Even if a SSB vastly outclassing a SS is far more than a mere understatement. There shouldn't be vital spots that hit can attack that should be effective, his should straight up break his hand when punching SSB vegeta or goku.
 

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Well, the guy basically pulled a frieza... He had never had a need to train so now that he had to push himself he got stronger and stronger arbitrarily. It's something that can make sense in the context of the story but for the most part makes for rather lazy writing if used too much. It was passable the first time with frieza but then seeing it again and happening by the second is just boring.
The thing is that Frieza trained, albeit he rushed his training and did not completely master his golden form but that's another topic
Hit out of nowhere started increasing his time leap because he realized he could improve just like that, I could understand an increase to 0.2 seconds, but he just kept increasing
 

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The problem was that such a hax technique kept getting even more hax and hax, as far as I know only Whis/Vados and some Time Kaioshin can control time (I guess the Omni King too is able to do it)

There's a fine line between improving the technique, and just increasing the time everytime just like that... I honestly felt he is stronger than Beerus and Champa

I give it to you that turning to SSG may have been illogical in the manga, same as Vegeta's defeat... However it makes sense for a technique as hax as time leap to have the limitations mentioned in the manga (aka it works only people of equal or less power than the caster), in the anime there was no mention of such limitation which made Hit looks invincible (since he was not allowed to kill in the tournament)
It is hax but that was the only reason he was able to keep up, and he reached a limit at 0.5 seconds in this battle. They didn't talk about the power level weakness but it was implied as Goku was able to ignore the 0.5 seconds Time-Skips at at a moment of the battle. Then, Hit perfected the technique again but even with his this Goku tanked his attacks and dealt more damage than him with a single punch. Beerus and Champa were still stronger, he clearly felt threatened when Champa said he was going to kill him along with all the others. He's supposed to reappear again in another arc so I am sure they will talk about the limitations more clearly.
 

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Ehh, Boi was I wrong..
Meh, Screw it. It's not like DBZ needs to make much sense to be enjoyable..much like FT it's mechanics can unravel & the story will still be decent..

I have the same thoughts many have.,,As for which fight I prefer better...I would say the manga because it's more believable but the anime fight was much much more entertaining..,:
 

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Just to clarify, is this a discussion on the anime and manga versions of super. Or, it is one or the other if so which one? Because the aforementioned versions are two very different things.

I'm asking because I clicked the link to the anime discussion thread, and it just sent me to the homepage.
 

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I think it's for both... But mostly for the anime since it is weekly release unlike the manga
 

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Just to clarify, is this a discussion on the anime and manga versions of super. Or, it is one or the other if so which one? Because the aforementioned versions are two very different things.

I'm asking because I clicked the link to the anime discussion thread, and it just sent me to the homepage.
This one is for the manga. There are some problems with the links not fixed yet but it's in the Anime Series subsection, link: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/dragon-ball-super.3000819/. You should be able to see it below in Similar Threads too.
 

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can anyone figure out why funimation or any one else hasnt licensed this anime for a simulcast or for dubbing?
 

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Oh it's the time-travel mat thing and Time-kun when the tutor's explaining time-travelling, haha. Love these Dr Slump references, there're soo so many of them lately xD
 

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thanks for the link. can i assume F. Bulma is already dead by ch. 14? Since the manga release takes more time than the anime, i wonder how F. Trunks will defeat Black in the end. Will they end it with Goku beating Black or F. Trunks gets SSGB transformation to beat Black.
 

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thanks for the link. can i assume F. Bulma is already dead by ch. 14? Since the manga release takes more time than the anime, i wonder how F. Trunks will defeat Black in the end. Will they end it with Goku beating Black or F. Trunks gets SSGB transformation to beat Black.
Yes she is already dead. I am not sure if Trunks will become a SSB but according to the titles of next episodes Vegeta is planning to train him. It depends on the limits of Black's strength I guess.
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It's out.
 

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What's going on with this manga? In the canonic story Future trunks went back of 20 years, why are they retconning it now, with it being only 17? They must have forgotten things :fail . And why did they choose to use Pilaf's gang again, especially Mai? Them being young again makes no sense at all, especially in the future timeline :gwah. Finally, I'd like you to notice that the children haven't grown up, despite 5 years have passed since Bu's defeat. This is a huge mistake, as trunks is 13 now, and it was already drawn in the chapter "Trunks: The Story" : http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Trunks_The_History_-_The_Lone_Warrior :-_-
 

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Yes she is already dead. I am not sure if Trunks will become a SSB but according to the titles of next episodes Vegeta is planning to train him. It depends on the limits of Black's strength I guess.
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It's out.
Trunks overpowering Goku Black just like F.Trunks VS F.Cell will be good enough but it's going to be a lonely future for him..

Korean scans of ch15 is out.
Intense but unnecessary finger action.
 

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Chapter 15 translated.
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Some interesting things in the manga version. Black can use Instant Transmission, Beerus supports the idea of Goku and Vegeta becoming God of Destruction and Trunks appears to be a lot stronger, he can match the PL of a SSJ3. The relationship between the two types of Gods has been revealed much earlier.

Toriyama needs to tell us what exactly is Trunks's hair color...
 

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I find it weird that goku could actually become a god of destruction. The kaioshin are supposedly born from fruits from the great tree at the kaioshin world. That a god of destruction can be chosen is weird... Perhaps it explains why they look different from the other kaioshin. My guess is that the whole thing is structured so that when a god of destruction is gone the attendants get to choose one to take over. Perhaps berus and champa are brothers because of a rivalry between whis and vados...
 

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I find it weird that goku could actually become a god of destruction. The kaioshin are supposedly born from fruits from the great tree at the kaioshin world. That a god of destruction can be chosen is weird... Perhaps it explains why they look different from the other kaioshin. My guess is that the whole thing is structured so that when a god of destruction is gone the attendants get to choose one to take over. Perhaps berus and champa are brothers because of a rivalry between whis and vados...
But this is just the race(Shin-jin), all of them don't become Kaioshin. Zamasu has been recruited to be a Kaioshin apprentice, meaning that they are not really chosen at birth. I suppose it is similar for Gods of Destruction.
 

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But this is just the race(Shin-jin), all of them don't become Kaioshin. Zamasu has been recruited to be a Kaioshin apprentice, meaning that they are not really chosen at birth. I suppose it is similar for Gods of Destruction.
I know that much, my point was more about berus seemingly not being a shinjin. If berus is not a shinjin and we consider that goku or vegeta could actually be gods of destruction then it makes sense virtually anyone could in theory become one.
 

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I know that much, my point was more about berus seemingly not being a shinjin. If berus is not a shinjin and we consider that goku or vegeta could actually be gods of destruction then it makes sense virtually anyone could in theory become one.
Oh, I see. He might or might not be a Shinjin but power seems the main factor to become one. It's possible that he was once an apprentice like Zamasu is currently. And IIRC Kami wanted Goku to be Earth's Guardian once.
 
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