Discussion Erza Scarlet Thread

[Summer]

I don't remember any moments erza proves that she even on ws level by feats.... she is all just hypes she never prove any single things... yeah sure she could use nakagami for a few second but I don't think that even puts her on ws level.... and about mirajane.... I will always puts her above erza.. all this times Mira fight erza using just her weakest Satan soul and erza couldn't even win against that... if mirajane use sitri back then erza will surely lose.... and now Mira even got seyla which is ways stronger....

Erza is too overrated... there's always someone better than her..

 

[Saint]

I don't remember any moments erza proves that she even on ws level by feats.... she is all just hypes she never prove any single things... yeah sure she could use nakagami for a few second but I don't think that even puts her on ws level.... and about mirajane.... I will always puts her above erza.. all this times Mira fight erza using just her weakest Satan soul and erza couldn't even win against that... if mirajane use sitri back then erza will surely lose.... and now Mira even got seyla which is ways stronger....

Erza is too overrated... there's always someone better than her..

Miracle is strong as hell ( get it) but Erza is on another level compared to her, which again is not to say the gap is leaps and bounds but Erza is clearly stronger.

 

[Stormsfury]

Mirajane has been nerfed to hell and back because Mashima is an Erza fanboy, it's that simple.

 

[Vasgoko]

How is Erza overrated? Yes, she had few PoF moments but every character has it. I wouldn't necessarily say she is underrated, but I wouldn't go as far as to put her down... Although, I do agree that Mirajane is quite underrated. However, Lucy isn't underrated nor overrated. The reason is that she might not have shown much of herself for people to like her as she is portrayed to lean on Natsu. Anyways, you can't expect for the popularity of every character to be the same. The aspects of each character just attract others more whether it is appearance, personality, etc. Even for males, Natsu has a clear superiority in fan-base over Gray. What are we going to do about it? Sit there and whine? Besides, if every character were the same, it would be boring. It only makes sense that each character is unique in their own way for a plot to happen.

As for the Jackal vs. Azuma, I still don't see how Jackal loses to Azuma. He is fast as he is portrayed like an animal physiologically. Unless you can convince me Azuma can keep up, I don't buy it. The reason he caught up with Erza is because he used the trees to help him which is basically his magic. Besides, Jackal's Exploding Bomb Curses have such a far range as seen when he dispersed them throughout the Magic Council. All Jackal needs to do is throw them while standing far away and dodging any vines coming near him. He'll never run out of energy as he uses curses while Azuma will eventually get exhausted, depleted of magic, and die. You guys can believe whatever you want but I think the reason we tend to underestimate Jackal is because he is arguably the weakest of the Nine Demon Gates. On the contrary, you guys tend to overrate Azuma because he fought Erza + Mirajane + Lisanna. Just know that Mirajane would have beaten him if it were not because of his cheap shot. Also, it seemed like Erza struggled against him because Hiro Mashima gave him OP magic. Lastly, I'm assuming we're comparing Tenrou Azuma, Tenrou Erza, and Tartaros Jackal. Jackal can probably beat Erza prior to the GMG Arc which is basically Tenrou Arc because of the 7 year gap. There is evidence to back this up as we saw Erza herself struggling to catch up with all the other guilds. Erza showed concern when they came back from the Celestial Spirit World without any training meaning she wasn't caught up in power compared to everyone else. Keep in mind that this is the same Erza that defeated Azuma. For those of you who say timeskips don't matter, I can't explain this anymore. Now, if we're talking about what it would be like between Tartaros Azuma and Tartaros Jackal, we can't really say for sure but I would still give Jackal the benefit of the doubt purely based on how he could overpower Azuma in range and speed of course.

I'd like to acknowledge that I agree with Brandish on most of the points about the Ajeel topic, but it is pointless to talk about it now.

As for people who are comparing Natsu and Erza, it depends on what timeframe once again. Sorry if you're getting tired of my overly repetitive statements but it is important when considering power levels. Anyways, I'm going to use the Tartaros Arc as the benchmark because it is clear in comparison here. Basically it is...

• Before Tartaros Arc, Erza > Natsu
• During Tartaros Arc, Erza ≈ Natsu [Natsu a little Stronger with Dragon Force but Not By Much]
• After Tartaros Arc, Natsu > Erza

Erza is overrated for a number of reasons.

1. She always seems to win her fight with little to no logic.

Erza vs. Azuma

Erza had 2-3 close chances to die, but she ended up oneshotting a barely scratched Azuma

Erza vs. Kagura

She was on par when Kagura fought with Archenemy SHEATHED. The moment Kagura unsheathed Archenemy, Erza uses PoF technique to babble about Rosemary Village then claims victory. Worst part about it, Erza took pity on Kagura and saved her from that dumb falling rock when it should be exactly the other way around.

Erza vs. Minerva

Erza was already totally exhausted AND had a crippled leg AND Minerva was full power with zero injuries. Erza happened to suddenly use Second Origin which HAPPENED to be the exact counter needed to defeat Minerva...anti-spatial magic... which basically perfectly counters all properties of Minerva's space magic (so lucky..). Erza's victory was literally set into stone by less than a quarter of the chapter.

Erza vs. Kyouka

Don't even need to explain this. It made no sense at all.



2. She literally almost has the most convenient and asspull situations

- She competed in Pandemonium, which was described to be nearly impossible for even TWS mages. Then Erza single handedly defeated all the stages.

- She hyped Bacchus like there was no tomorrow then Elfman beat Bacchus. Erza even said that Bacchus is pretty much tied with her as she was never able to beat him. I havent heard one person say Elfman stronger than Erza. Part of me really believes that Erza hyped Bacchus up just to scare Elfman and make herself look like the leader of the group.

- She was panting and huffing when she created all those swords to take down the Thunder Palace. She looked like she was gonna pass out. Then she got hit by who knows how many volts worth of LAXUS' lightning and was totally fine in the end.

- She acts like the boss of everyone except for 2 people: Jellal and Makarov...sickening. After the recent chapters in Alvarez Arc, add one more person to that list..Natsu...



Being perfectly honest with all of you right now, if she didn't have that S-Class Title behind her name, she would not be able to explain any of these situations. I mean...of course she's S-Class, with all this PoF, how could she not be??

 

[iDooom]

Erza is overrated for a number of reasons.

1. She always seems to win her fight with little to no logic.

Erza vs. Azuma

Erza had 2-3 close chances to die, but she ended up oneshotting a barely scratched Azuma

Erza vs. Kagura

She was on par when Kagura fought with Archenemy SHEATHED. The moment Kagura unsheathed Archenemy, Erza uses PoF technique to babble about Rosemary Village then claims victory. Worst part about it, Erza took pity on Kagura and saved her from that dumb falling rock when it should be exactly the other way around.

Erza vs. Minerva

Erza was already totally exhausted AND had a crippled leg AND Minerva was full power with zero injuries. Erza happened to suddenly use Second Origin which HAPPENED to be the exact counter needed to defeat Minerva...anti-spatial magic... which basically perfectly counters all properties of Minerva's space magic (so lucky..). Erza's victory was literally set into stone by less than a quarter of the chapter.

Erza vs. Kyouka

Don't even need to explain this. It made no sense at all.

2 close chances. And barely scratched is a stretch.

Erza obviously was holding back and not using SO. So pre-SO Erza = Kagura.

So basically SO Erza >> Minerva is what you're saying?

2. She literally almost has the most convenient and asspull situations

- She competed in Pandemonium, which was described to be nearly impossible for even TWS mages. Then Erza single handedly defeated all the stages.

- She hyped Bacchus like there was no tomorrow then Elfman beat Bacchus. Erza even said that Bacchus is pretty much tied with her as she was never able to beat him. I havent heard one person say Elfman stronger than Erza. Part of me really believes that Erza hyped Bacchus up just to scare Elfman and make herself look like the leader of the group.

- She was panting and huffing when she created all those swords to take down the Thunder Palace. She looked like she was gonna pass out. Then she got hit by who knows how many volts worth of LAXUS' lightning and was totally fine in the end.

- She acts like the boss of everyone except for 2 people: Jellal and Makarov...sickening. After the recent chapters in Alvarez Arc, add one more person to that list..Natsu...

Being perfectly honest with all of you right now, if she didn't have that S-Class Title behind her name, she would not be able to explain any of these situations. I mean...of course she's S-Class, with all this PoF, how could she not be??

Have you ever considered that Jose and Jellal saying Erza is WS level actually means that Erza is WS level?

So what, character statements aren't always true. Erza also hyped Natsu in Phantom Arc, and Ichiya in GMG. Erza already was the leader of the group...

200 is a large number. Considering that Erza blocked a Jupiter shot in Phantom arc, surviving the lacrimas isn't that surprising.

So you're basically saying you don't like her... Also, did you miss the part where Erza told everyone, including Natsu, to stop fighting?

Have you ever considered the possibility that Erza has always been strong? And that this would explain away most of your "asspulls"?

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Erza is overrated for a number of reasons.

1. She always seems to win her fight with little to no logic.

Erza vs. Azuma

Erza had 2-3 close chances to die, but she ended up oneshotting a barely scratched Azuma

Erza vs. Kagura

She was on par when Kagura fought with Archenemy SHEATHED. The moment Kagura unsheathed Archenemy, Erza uses PoF technique to babble about Rosemary Village then claims victory. Worst part about it, Erza took pity on Kagura and saved her from that dumb falling rock when it should be exactly the other way around.

Erza vs. Minerva

Erza was already totally exhausted AND had a crippled leg AND Minerva was full power with zero injuries. Erza happened to suddenly use Second Origin which HAPPENED to be the exact counter needed to defeat Minerva...anti-spatial magic... which basically perfectly counters all properties of Minerva's space magic (so lucky..). Erza's victory was literally set into stone by less than a quarter of the chapter.

Erza vs. Kyouka

Don't even need to explain this. It made no sense at all.



2. She literally almost has the most convenient and asspull situations

- She competed in Pandemonium, which was described to be nearly impossible for even TWS mages. Then Erza single handedly defeated all the stages.

- She hyped Bacchus like there was no tomorrow then Elfman beat Bacchus. Erza even said that Bacchus is pretty much tied with her as she was never able to beat him. I havent heard one person say Elfman stronger than Erza. Part of me really believes that Erza hyped Bacchus up just to scare Elfman and make herself look like the leader of the group.

- She was panting and huffing when she created all those swords to take down the Thunder Palace. She looked like she was gonna pass out. Then she got hit by who knows how many volts worth of LAXUS' lightning and was totally fine in the end.

- She acts like the boss of everyone except for 2 people: Jellal and Makarov...sickening. After the recent chapters in Alvarez Arc, add one more person to that list..Natsu...



Being perfectly honest with all of you right now, if she didn't have that S-Class Title behind her name, she would not be able to explain any of these situations. I mean...of course she's S-Class, with all this PoF, how could she not be??

I can see your point on the 4 matches that you listed below #1. Fair enough. However, the points related to #2 does not prove anything of Erza but the fact that she is strong.

Going back to your points on #1, I'd say half of those had PoF or Nakama Power involved. The rest were pretty sensible and reasonable if you look closely at the fight.

Honestly, I can explain in detail but to keep it short...

• Erza vs. Azuma = Erza Should Still Win [Hiro Mashima made Azuma too OP although most people would disagree with me on this one]
• Erza vs. Kagura = Erza Won Fair and Square
• Erza vs. Minerva = Debatable [This was a Little Tough and Confusing to Analyze the Battle]
• Erza vs. Kyōka = Kyōka Should Win [You Got a Point but I felt Hiro Mashima made Kyōka's Magic a little too OP here as well]

 

[Vasgoko]

Have you ever considered the possibility that Erza has always been strong? And that this would explain away most of your "asspulls"?

By your logic, Mira, Minerva, and Kagura can all oneshot a Spriggan, right? Hell, why don't you add Kyouka and Sayla just for fun.

They are all strong right? They can oneshot a Spriggan even after being exhausted with a crippled leg due to a massive falling rock right?

Kagura can use gravity to make DiMaria stuck and slice her head of right?

Minerva can insta teleport to Brandish and stab her with a knife right? Maybe Minerva can send Brandish to her one of own dimensions where Brandish will rot and eventually die? Right?

They are all "just strong" right?

Yes, good logic:

"being strong" qualifies for "negating asspulls"

Alright everybody, from now on:

if you are "strong" = "no such thing as asspulls for you"

Yay, now Gray can oneshot Acnologia and Zeref in a 1v2. My life is complete.

 

[Brandish μ]

@Vasgoko - that post was referring to you labeling what can be perceived as strength as an asspull. As a Gray fan you should be used to this, steel ball... I mean seriously Natsu, Gray and Erza all have what you can consider ass-pull victories if you really want to be picky about it. But that's not stopping you from assessing Erza's strength, which is undoubtedly strong. The logic in those scenarios you posted is too far off to even answer to, but if those wizards do win like you propose then it is a testament to their strength.

 

[Vasgoko]

@Vasgoko - that post was referring to you labeling what can be perceived as strength as an asspull. As a Gray fan you should be used to this, steel ball... I mean seriously Natsu, Gray and Erza all have what you can consider ass-pull victories if you really want to be picky about it. But that's not stopping you from assessing Erza's strength, which is undoubtedly strong. The logic in those scenarios you posted is too far off to even answer to, but if those wizards do win like you propose then it is a testament to their strength.

Nah, I'm sorry, but strength cannot equal asspull. I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but never did I equate Erza's strength to asspull.

Believe me, as a Gray fan, I am used to this. I've taken quite a bit of heat...at least nobody can use the "8-3 crap" anymore.

And by the way, steel ball made perfect sense. It was executed perfectly by Gray. Gray got his steel ball after he melted Silver's ice by channeling it through his body and converting it to his own ice. When Gray melted the ground, that is where he got the steel ball....from the cannon crates in the ruins. It was a mastermind plan from Gray... something I hold respect for. Gray can fool you by working on two objectives at once making one objective obvious while blinding you from the other one.

When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. In no way was Gray's steel ball anywhere near comparison to Erza's asspulls..

I don't criticize Erza JUST because of her asspulls. I do not correlate her strength with her asspulls. But her attitude is what gets me over the edge.

1) Erza is always biased only having faith in Jellal and Makarov. Recently in Alvarez Arc, she seems to put all her faith in NATSU and ignoring everybody else

- In Oracion Seis Arc, she got poisoned by Cobra. Then she jumped to conclusions and wanted to cut her whole arm off. Lyon was willing to do it, but she is so damn lucky Gray physically stopped Lyon from doing so. She didn't mention Gray at all.

- In Alvarez Arc, Gray questioned Natsu's dumb move to 1v2 Zeref and Inbel.....Guess what? Erza created a whole drama scene in front of the whole guild and asked Gray a dumb question like "Do you have faith in Natsu, your comrade?"...

ERZA! Do YOU have faith that Natsu can 1v2 the Emperor and a Spriggan?

If Gray tells Erza he is going to confront END by himself or Acnologia by himself, Erza will probably spill some shit that she will forbid him to do so.

Then when Jellal suggests that he will do it to atone for his ugly sins or Natsu wears a fake bandage and suggests to do it... Erza will praise and hail them for life.

It gets really annoying when Erza opens her mouth and only reserves the "spotlight" for herself, Jellal, Natsu, and occasionally Makarov.

Then Gray gets stuck with some dumb character like Bickslow and loses and then now Gray can't even beat Gajeel or Jura or some shit according to the fans.

And when Mashima decides to give Gray a power up, people question his power when the 11 other slayers that preceded him was never given the same treatment.

No, I'm not mad, but Im frustrated that Erza's strength can work as can excuse for her asspulls where others don't have that lame option.



Alright, look, this is the thing I have with Erza.. I have no doubt that she is strong, but...

she has this hyper attitude where she ALWAYS wants to fight even when she has a crippled leg and mangled body. She doesn't know when to stand down and she can't die for plot reasons.

The only thing to save her and get her out of that mess is PoF and Nakama Power. <--- These are asspulls.

All of the scenarios that I provided 100% demonstrates what I wrote above.

 

[Brandish μ]

Your view on steel ball vs how you view Erza pretty much sums up how things can be perceived. Someone can lol at steel ball (I did, and I am Gray fan). Others can see the reasons in it. Some see an ass-pull, others don't.

The bolded parts are just where you go from talking about Erza's power to Erza's character, some bits were pretty funny (genuinely funny). I am an Erza fan as well, and I have not enjoyed her as much in the Alvarez arc as I have in others (well lets just say 'she's Erza' is terrible too, like steel ball to me). However her fight with Ajeel at least was no asspull she had genuine assistance, and let's not forget her own strength.

I don't think people question Gray's power, I can't remember anyone saying he'll be the exact same. He just has spells which are of a higher level now - and to me this is no different from Erza adding more powerful armors. DeS is overrated when it gets called equal to DS magic imo; people don't seem to have a problem when DS > God Slayer magic though...

 

[Summer]

That is another prove that she is indeed overrated.... some one that underrated like Mira and Lucy would have little to no people that will support or back them up meanwhile rza gots so many people backing her up when people said that she's not as strong as they made she look like.

Erza is overrated. End of story Lol

 

[Shasha23]

almost all her fights are full of it, and that her power level is the most inconsistent but come on guys the hate from most of you here just made me want to back her up, sure thing her fights end in a bull way but almost all swordsman in manga have that problem, the authors try to draw the fights out since characters who fight with sword have the most fandom, so the author trying to please the fans by giving them more action from their fav. cha. is actually ruining the character, Erza should have been easily winning all her fights until tartaros, she was praised for her strength and her level was said to be TWS, but no the author wanted to show extended fights, fights were Erza should be winning without trying given what was said about her level

Erza is overrated. End of story Lol

Atleast not as much as Gray and Jellal

 

[kkck]

I don't really see how erza is either under or over rated. For most of the manga she has been the strongest in the gang for one thing and it is usually her job to defeat the strongest person in the enemy team that is not the big bad. Since the timeskips things got murkier because we have no context of how erza compares to her peers along with natsu and the other dragon slayers having access to multiple elements and even dragon force however overall she is still portrayed as insanely powerful. At the very least characters in the manga still treat her as if she was the strongest in the gang as they always have. Just look at how ajir was handled. Originally the plan was to have natsu, gajeel and wendy take him on. Except for the transport bit at which point erza stepped up and started dealing with him, something which the others deemed as ok. I'd say this is a pretty strong implication that at least erza is stronger than base form natsu or gajeel.

As far as erza vs ajer, she didn't win easily or alone. Ajir didn't seem to take much damage from jupiter. He took a visible injury from it but the actual damage it caused probably wasn't too significant to begin with. The thing there would be that it allowed erza the change to deal a crippling blow.

The way I see it, erza is precisely every bit as strong as her consistent manga hype suggests and more. The issue right now is a lack of context in regards to how she compares to some of her peers.

Also worth noting regarding ajir, when he did block jupiter he didn't take a speck of damage from it. Assuming that the one hades had was about as powerful it is somewhat dramatically different from when makarov blocked it. He took a very visible wound from it after all even when blocking it.

 

[Coné]

Having a lot of asspulls or terrible fights has nothing to do with being overrated. Yes, she does have terrible fights and she just asspulled out of the fights against Azuma, Minerva and Kyouka, but that is by no means being overrated. It's having bad fights

 

[g01]

I don't really see how erza is either under or over rated. For most of the manga she has been the strongest in the gang for one thing and it is usually her job to defeat the strongest person in the enemy team that is not the big bad. Since the timeskips things got murkier because we have no context of how erza compares to her peers along with natsu and the other dragon slayers having access to multiple elements and even dragon force however overall she is still portrayed as insanely powerful. At the very least characters in the manga still treat her as if she was the strongest in the gang as they always have. Just look at how ajir was handled. Originally the plan was to have natsu, gajeel and wendy take him on. Except for the transport bit at which point erza stepped up and started dealing with him, something which the others deemed as ok. I'd say this is a pretty strong implication that at least erza is stronger than base form natsu or gajeel.

As far as erza vs ajer, she didn't win easily or alone. Ajir didn't seem to take much damage from jupiter. He took a visible injury from it but the actual damage it caused probably wasn't too significant to begin with. The thing there would be that it allowed erza the change to deal a crippling blow.

The way I see it, erza is precisely every bit as strong as her consistent manga hype suggests and more. The issue right now is a lack of context in regards to how she compares to some of her peers.

Also worth noting regarding ajir, when he did block jupiter he didn't take a speck of damage from it. Assuming that the one hades had was about as powerful it is somewhat dramatically different from when makarov blocked it. He took a very visible wound from it after all even when blocking it.

I agree but in general I do not like erza's fights,result is kinda obvious imo.And my main problem is manga focuses on her too much,I mean she kinda takes all the spotlight.I personally want other characters like mira to show up more.
And about ajer thing,like you said this time she didn't take him out by herself,yet she spent so much power right ? but something tells me that she will be the one who take Dimaria too.(although all fairy tail crew can do that; win against enemy no matter how much power you spend before facing them)

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Atleast not as much as Gray and Jellal

I can agree that Erza is not overrated but don't being Gray or Jellal into this thread. If anything, Gray is underrated by most because a lot of people tend to think Gajeel > Gray, Mira > Gray, and Erza > Gray which is not necessarily true. I don't see your point about Jellal either. He deserves the amount of hype he gets purely due to his feats.

 

[Shasha23]

I can agree that Erza is not overrated but don't being Gray or Jellal into this thread. If anything, Gray is underrated by most because a lot of people tend to think Gajeel > Gray, Mira > Gray, and Erza > Gray which is not necessarily true. I don't see your point about Jellal either. He deserves the amount of hype he gets purely due to his feats

What feats????
Yeap before time skip Gray was weaker than all of the but after he probably is equal to Gajeel and stronger than Mira and Erza, but the wank this guy gets is just rediculous

 

[Vasgoko]

Having a lot of asspulls or terrible fights has nothing to do with being overrated. Yes, she does have terrible fights and she just asspulled out of the fights against Azuma, Minerva and Kyouka, but that is by no means being overrated. It's having bad fights

You missed one thing. Asspulls and terrible fights don't necessarily have to be associated with being overrated...but, if that's the cases:

Show me one outstanding feat that convinces me that Erza is

1) Worthy of being Fairy Tail's S-Class
2) Stronger than Gray, Mira, or Gajeel
3) Being strong in general


For the sake of this, I'm using Gray, Mira, and Gajeel as the criteria for just being "strong in general" because those 3 are either S-Class or S-Class Candidates.

If you fail to give me one convincing feat of Erza's, then that means she should strip herself (what were you guys thinking? Really? Let me finish...) OF her S-Class rank and either give it to Gray or Gajeel.

And if you use any of the fight/battles that you named above as "asspulls and terrible fights" AS proof, then that means you just overrated Erza and Erza will be considered overrated.

No hype allowed. Her fight better compete on Gajeel vs Torafuza/Rogue or Gray vs Silver otherwise Erza is still below them.

And it has to be 1v1. Not Erza's fight with Ajeel cuz of Jupiter and not Erza's fight with Midnight cuz her teddy bear Jellal already traded blows with Midnight..

 

[Coné]

You missed one thing. Asspulls and terrible fights don't necessarily have to be associated with being overrated...but, if that's the cases:

Show me one outstanding feat that convinces me that Erza is

1) Worthy of being Fairy Tail's S-Class
2) Stronger than Gray, Mira, or Gajeel
3) Being strong in general


For the sake of this, I'm using Gray, Mira, and Gajeel as the criteria for just being "strong in general" because those 3 are either S-Class or S-Class Candidates.

If you fail to give me one convincing feat of Erza's, then that means she should strip herself (what were you guys thinking? Really? Let me finish...) OF her S-Class rank and either give it to Gray or Gajeel.

And if you use any of the fight/battles that you named above as "asspulls and terrible fights" AS proof, then that means you just overrated Erza and Erza will be considered overrated.

No hype allowed. Her fight better compete on Gajeel vs Torafuza/Rogue or Gray vs Silver otherwise Erza is still below them.

And it has to be 1v1. Not Erza's fight with Ajeel cuz of Jupiter and not Erza's fight with Midnight cuz her teddy bear Jellal already traded blows with Midnight..

What? I can use feats shown in bad fights for my argument without making her overrated. Natu also has terrible fights, does that mean that we can't use any of his feats because of that? No, because he still managed to one-shot Ikusatsunagi and defeat 1000 soldiers in one roar. Same goes for Erza. Even if her battle against Kyouka was unbelievably bad and asspull-ish, it was still a battle and she still had good feats.

During the GMG arc, she tanked Yagdo Rigora, she tanked Kagura's Pose attacks and she was unaffected by Kagura's unsheathed sword slash. Where do Gray and Mira get feats like that? They simply don't. Furthermore, SO Erza, who is stronger than the one who fought Kagura, negated Minerva's magic. What happened when LFD Natsu clashed with Minerva's magic? He was stopped. Further proof that GMG Erza was stronger than GMG Natsu, who by himself was stronger than GMG Gray.

During the Tartaros arc, she has a town level DC feat with her Cube piercing feat and she showed incredible pain endurance. Not to mention that this also means that Kyouka has town-level durability, further enhanced by her Etherious Form. What did Erza do while she was almost down? She knocked Kyouka out in one-hit with the infamous slash that is forever crowned as a terrible asspull. It's still acceptable nontheless. How do Gajeel, Gray or Mira have feats comparable to this?

Furthermore, LFD Natsu was stalemating a weaker demon than Kyouka (Etherious Tempesta), which is proof that Tartaros Erza was above LFD Natsu, meaning that if you think that Gray, Gajeel and Mira are indeed above Erza, then you'd rather also bring up proof that they're above LFD Natsu. I can always scale, you know?
Not to mention that Erza has much better combat speed than all of them

This isn't overrating Erza at all. This is facing Erza's feats and not anything else. Overrating Erza is scaling her to Current Natsu or things of that kind. It seems more like you're the one underrating her.

You might want to use Gajeel's Steel Mode as an argument, but as we don't know if it's a permanent mode, that will be rendered useless in this discussion. You may also use Gray vs Silver, but you'll have to explain the huge PiS and CiS behind it and actually analyze the feats

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 6, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 6, 2016 ---

I can agree that Erza is not overrated but don't being Gray or Jellal into this thread. If anything, Gray is underrated by most because a lot of people tend to think Gajeel > Gray, Mira > Gray, and Erza > Gray which is not necessarily true. I don't see your point about Jellal either. He deserves the amount of hype he gets purely due to his feats.

Gray's not underrated at all. Gajeel and Erza being stronger than Gray is something that's been like that for quite some time, so I don't see how that would change simply because Gray defeated some demons, since that's all featless. As of now, that's true (except for Mira, she has been so downgraded by Hiro), but it might very well change in the near future.

You've clearly never seen Jellal fanboys

 

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Gray's not underrated at all. Gajeel and Erza being stronger than Gray is something that's been like that for quite some time, so I don't see how that would change simply because Gray defeated some demons, since that's all featless. As of now, that's true (except for Mira, she has been so downgraded by Hiro), but it might very well change in the near future.

You've clearly never seen Jellal fanboys

I already got a post deleted for being off-topic but I'll say it again. I don't know why most of you press me on things like this when it is clearly obvious. Let me use logic to counter your argument. It seems like most of you here wants to pick a fight with every post I make.

Anyways, nobody has ever mentioned Natsu or Laxus being overrated. Who has a larger fan-base? Gray or Natsu? Natsu. Why? Because people like his character. Anything wrong? No. So according to you guys, Natsu is not overrated. Now, how about Laxus or Jellal? Laxus. Why? Because most people adore his power and strength. Anything wrong here? No. So according to fans, Laxus is not overrated.

So why are Gray and Jellal overrated?? Please, the bias and fanboys have gone way past the limit.

Jellal has enough feats to prove that he is right by Laxus. Yet, his fan-base is comparable to Laxus. So they should be similar. Just because you haven't seen Laxus' fans, doesn't mean they don't exist. In fact, here on the Fairy Tail Forum, you can't say one thing that downgrades Laxus without numerous fans flaming at you. In fact, he probably has the highest amount of followers on this forum as I can name plenty of users off the top of my head in which they would go out of their way to defend Laxus.

Gray was not far behind Natsu for quite sometime until recently. Yet, Natsu's fans has always overtook Gray's fans by a large margin. So how is Natsu less overrated than Gray when Gray has less supporters while being similar to Natsu for most of the series. He even bailed Natsu out of trouble a few times.

My overall point is that characters are liked and not liked for different reasons whether it is because of the character themselves or the viewers' perception of them. Nobody is really overrated or underrated with the exception of a select few. So stop bringing in every character just because you don't like them. It seems like whatever I say, people will find some way to argue with me. I said it before and I will say it again, I don't come on here to pick a fight with anyone so stop trying to find ways and excuses to counter every point on my post. What I said is true and if you look closely, you can tell that Fairy Tail characters are neither overrated nor underrated. It is just who they are that attracts us viewers.