The Commandments are elite warriors and Fraudrin was not afraid even when he was facing the Archangels. Rather than being afraid, they are impressed by her story and wary of her, Zeldris was like that. Chandler however didn't care in the slightest.
Chandler did know about her but he only cares about Meliodas and killing Elizabeth.
Probably because to them a girl that can outsmart two gods sounds more terrifying than a some dudes with barely a fraction of that power. Realistically though, anyone who really doesn’t know her backstory isn’t that fearful of her.
What I stated was what was drawn and what was drawn twice in chapter 208 as I am looking at this chapter right now. I have no intention of debating over whether or not you can count to 8 as I am well aware of both of your dispositions towards her. I state what I see and that I have taken note of it. I have not pushed anything unwarranted and am curious to see how things turn out from what I have seen.
I think he figured it out after he finished calling her cute and sealing her magic
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None of us dislike Elizabeth, we just don’t like when she gets all this speculation. Plus in regard to the wings of light, she’s been able to make similar objects since part 1 against Hendrickson
Well, we know that she is a caring type of person, the perfect pacifist princess that will never attempt to fight but to talk no jutsu instead.
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The only thing that is sure is that she is younger than Goddess Elizabeth and Meliodas.
Here's the thing, we ought to get past titles & look a little deeper at trends (Nakaba's attitude & thinkings when writing his characters) & details. For example, Escanor belongs to a group known as the SDS which is revered as a powerful group made up of very powerful individuals. In this group, Escanor is known as the strongest. Now we could specify a time in the night & pit the strongest against a group of (ordinary human) ruffians with a PL of 25 & that strongest suddenly proceeds to get his butt kicked. Now he would still be titled the strongest in spite of the butt kicking according to Nakaba, he just couldn't express what makes him the strongest at that particular time.
Explain to me why the ''perfect pacifist princess that will never attempt to fight'' is instead.... fighting?
Hmmm calling someone a “useless weak little princess” that only knows how to “play the damsel in distress” an excessive amount of times, mocking a situation in which after being “kidnapped” she is raped by an insane admirer is not how you back up your claim that “none of us dislike Elizabeth”
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Yes she is definitely younger than two. The time she was born and her position at the time is very significant to the validity of her statements and knowledge in general. For instance she commented on Meliodas returning to how he once was as well as the statement that he was even stronger than he was back then. But how does she know that? Was she even born when he was leader? In which case it would mean she knew his prowess by reputation. It appears that he may have still been leader for some time after he met Eli but where was she? She stopped her time at 30 years old but we don’t know if she hit 30 before or after she met them. It seems that she may be hundreds of years younger than them. She was also not effected by gowthers forbidden spell apparently and was not aware of the origin of sunshine which all means that she is not as knowledgeable of the past as some believe. Don’t you think?
Lol, we don't know any context about that, we know her character in general and she isn't the type of person that will fight just like that.Explain to me why the ''perfect pacifist princess that will never attempt to fight'' is instead.... fighting?
Oh, would you look at that. Elizabeth actually looks pissed and wanting to hurt somebody for once.
She may be a pacifist or someone who prefers to talk about peace and avoid conflict. But if you deliberately say that Elizabeth will ''never attempt to fight'' then you are factually incorrect.
She didn't try to talk to the Gods here. No. She was fighting for her life and actually trying to hurt somebody (to no avail).
It's already proven that if the situation calls for it. Elizabeth will fight. Its just in most situations, conflict can be avoided or you can take different routes: e.g purification.
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Probably, who know. We will get more about her in her gaiden anyway but I agree with the last part, she doesn't know a thing about Mael at all hence why she wasn't affected by the spell regarding Mael's case.
Well for starters she wasn't raped and for my second point I did not say she was a useless weak little princess.
Mel is 142K, that isn't speculation. Zeldris is 60K+, that isn't speculation. As for Mael and Elizabeth I don't like speculating about them because they have no confirmed values. Which is why I keep elizabeth low to mid tier till she gets more rounded feats.
Because she's been making wings of light since part one. She doesn't have 8 true wings, otherwise she'd be more powerful than probably Mael, and wouldn't have such a fragile build, and wouldn't be asked to be guarded on Mel's orders.
Escanor is not Mael, and he did say that he was going to become stronger. As an Archangel he would need to be strong even at night. You can't just use Escanor and say that Mael was just the same.
We do know the context tho lol?
Thanks for proving my word even further.
Don't change the topic of discussion.
Biggest lie of the century.
Say this to @sobreno in order to dismiss his ''Elizabeth is a perfect pacifist princess that will never attempt to fight'' claim since he doesn't listen to me, no matter what I show or tell him.
(Good luck 
)
You were speaking for more than yourself when you said no one dislikes her. The rape comments came about when estarossa gave her an ultimatum. If you liked a character, or held such a character in any level of respect I don’t think you would continuously make light of them being raped as a joke. The fact that she was not raped means absolutely nothing to my point.
Mel has some relation to indura, how far can he go? Zeldris has not had a fight, has a 2nd mark and some relation to indura, how far can he go? Why is having a stated numerical value the only basis on which one may speculate. Isn’t the ones power speculated because of the damage it was able to inflict on the manner it was able to inflict it despite the fact it has no stated value?
She did not have 4 true wings during the battle with Hendi. But the reveal of her form 100 chapters later brought back those “fake” 4 wings as actually 4 “real” ones. So why in chapter 96 and 97 did he draw those 4 fake? In the exact same manner why did he draw her with 8? Why is it a parallel circumstance? That is what I want to know.
I don't think he disagrees with my statement though. He knows that Elizabeth will fight if she's basically forced to do so, but thats about it. Even people say they want Escanor deadWe do know the context tho lol?
Elizabeth was fighting against the Gods.
That completely and straight away refutes your idea and notion of Elizabeth being this ''perfect princess that will never fight''.
Thanks for proving my word even further.
She had no choice.
There was no option for pacifism.
And because of that she was willing to fight.
Don't change the topic of discussion.
The discussion was whether or not Elizabeth ''would fight'' or not.
The answer is: She does fight if it's the last option, and there is no other alternative. As proven by the Gods battle and how she had to (in a sense) fight against the Indura's.
Now, since we have our answer, and you can't refute it, you try to change the topic of discussion (as usual) in a way to demean Elizabeth and put her down.
Biggest lie of the century.
Sobreno has hate for her.
All I see is non-sense when he argues against her.
''Meliodas lover can't be powerful!''
''She's a princess who can only be saved!''
''I hope she dies!!''
''Her only purpose is to be Meliodas wife and nothing more!''
Now across the months I've been on this forum and argued against @sobreno, these are the most memorable quotes or opinions he's had of her.
So to me, a pretty big supporter of Elizabeth, it does look like he does hate her.
Say this to @sobreno in order to dismiss his ''Elizabeth is a perfect pacifist princess that will never attempt to fight'' claim since he doesn't listen to me, no matter what I show or tell him.
Nakaba could literally display this quote as incorrect in a Q & A but he would still find a way to defy it since he's arguing against me. So you tell him that this claim is incorrect
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Well the problem is rape is a serious matter. And for you to imply that Nakaba put a real rape scene into a manga really does besmirch his name. He's not an idiot nor insensitive. Fake characters killing each other is one thing, but rape is on such another graphic level. Rape is forced sex, not being taken hostage. It doesn't mean "to be forcibly taken away" as it did several upon several years ago (14th century actually). So to use the word "rape" to mean something that realistically no one in society would associate it with (kidnap or plundering) is really playing it lightly. So if we treat Elizabeth lightly because she got kidnapped, its not our fault. Kidnapping isn't rape. Every child who's played Donkey Kong knows this.
Then perhaps you should bring them up to Sobreno and not group people together. Aside from Sobreno, the Elizabeth fanbase is even more divergent than he is towards her. You have people on the Elizabeth side that think she is
These aren't made up numbers, they're from Nakaba himself. I wouldn't call an aspect of the author's manga inadequate, especially when I don't even write the manga. He's shown time and time again that power levels play about 90% in character estimations. Sariel and Tarmiel even brought up power estimations when talking about Estarossa.
She didn't have four fake wings. She made an extra 2 pairs of wings using light. We know that these wings are fake because they disappeared right after. Just like her fake ones did again after she caught Estarossa
Nobody hates Eli. She’s not a polarizing character. She’s a generic female battle shonen manga protagonist that loves the MC and whines about love and peace all the time.
The key is keeping it within reasonable means.
Tell me what you think the implications are then, because Eli’s light actually attacked Hendrickson and he recovered from it just fine. It accomplished nothing against him. Seeing as every Real] four winged goddess is an archangel( and could easily defeat hendrickson’s 5000K power level at the time), I hope you aren’t trying to say she displayed the power of a real four winged goddess, and then a real 8 winged goddess.
Her goddess days were her peak.
Its fine to be curious and hopeful she’ll be badass and strong in the future.
Sir I do not believe you are properly reading my comments. What you have stated was an insult to me. Nowhere have I claimed or implied nakaba put any semblance of rape in this regard. My comment was a response to your statement that “none of us dislike Elizabeth” to which I gave comments that have been made on this forum showcasing utter disrespect for the character thereby invalidating your claim that “none of us dislike Elizabeth.” That was my entire point on the matter. I am not so stupid that I make light of comments, the notion and the act of rape as have been done on this forum.
I'm pretty sure the mods would delete any posts that promoted or made light of rape on this thread. Elizabeth being kidnapped isn't rape. If we mock her for getting kidnapped, that isn't rape either. I mean I always thought it was funny when a character like princess peach got kidnaped by Bowser in Mario. I don't think that means that I promote rape
You can still be a fan of the character and think that she is a pretty "trashy" fighter. There's more too her than just fighting.
No, I'm not curious because as I stated in the past Nakaba has drawn her with wings of light. If you're asking why they all look the same, it's because Nakaba just didn't put a lot of detail into the drawing. It's something that happens in comics and manga from both western and eastern audiences. If you look at every chapter he's drawn you'll notice that some characters look like their details are ambiguous. For example in chapter 272 Nakaba drew Tarmiel with 2 sets of wings instead of 3. It's not a mistake, it's just the art style. So the fact that he didn't differentiate Elizabeth's real wings from the light wings doesn't shock me because sometimes all the details just won't be drawn. If her real wings are missing feathers in that one scene, then thats fine by me, it's just the comic/manga artsyle.