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I really wish to know the connection between Mel zel chandler and cusack to indura. I would imagine that it is possible that their rank and status as well as that display to Arthur would entail that their is a difference and level of control over that amount of darkness. It is mere speculation but it is possible that they may have no need for the sacrifice of hearts and would not lose their minds afterwards but that is yet to be shown. What do you think?
I think it would be perfectly possible that a demon who has surpassed a certain power level (let's say 100K for example) could bend Indura to his own will, mastering his powers and taking control of it, but that's just pure speculation.
 

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What's with this whole "Escanor is 114K at 11:59? That doesn't make any sense
1. Escanor didn't fight Mel for one minute in that form before becoming the one. Time is generally stretched out in taizai fights to a degree and that fight wasn't that short
2. Escanor was unable to hurt Mel at 114K. But later on he could, meaning that he was still gaining power
3. Super slasher at 114K couldn't do anything and that attack uses his sacred treasure. However later on a regular punch draws blood, meaning that he was much stronger
4. Escanor was clearly stalled during the fight. He was on the ground coughing for some moments, he was being held down by Mel for some moments, Gowther gave some words and read the power levels, Escanor took time too look for Mel for a few seconds. Mel took time to pick up his sword before deciding to kill him. All this nonsense along with the talking couldn't have been for 1 minute, that's just dumb

Plus assuming Mel can even be hurt by someone at 114K is just sad. He was praised as being the next demon king and for him to get hurt by a power level that the 3AA are almost near is just sad. Especially since Ludoshel is probably near 100K effortlessly
 
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What's with this whole "Escanor is 114K at 11:59? That doesn't make any sense
1. Escanor didn't fight Mel for one minute in that form before becoming the one. Time is generally stretched out in taizai fights to a degree and that fight wasn't that short
2. Escanor was unable to hurt Mel at 114K. But later on he could, meaning that he was still gaining power
3. Super slasher at 114K couldn't do anything and that attack uses his sacred treasure. However later on a regular punch draws blood, meaning that he was much stronger
4. Escanor was clearly stalled during the fight. He was on the ground coughing for some moments, he was being held down by Mel for some moments, Gowther gave some words and read the power levels, Escanor took time too look for Mel for a few seconds. Mel took time to pick up his sword before deciding to kill him. All this nonsense along with the talking couldn't have been for 1 minute, that's just dumb

Plus assuming Mel can even be hurt by someone at 114K is just sad. He was praised as being the next demon king and for him to get hurt by a power level that the 3AA are almost near is just sad. Especially since Ludoshel is probably near 100K effortlessly
Are you talking about me? I didn't say he is at 114K at 11:59 AM. I said Meliodas praised a Escanor who was above that.
 

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Plus assuming Mel can even be hurt by someone at 114K is just sad.
I always knew the punch wasn't at 114K and almost everyone thinks that it was. 135-140k is more reasonable.
 

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Are you talking about me? I didn't say he is at 114K at 11:59 AM. I said Meliodas praised a Escanor who was above that.
No not you.
 

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I always thought something was wrong with this. When Zeldris got hit in the face by Ludociel he was totally unprepared and he still got nothing more than a bloody lip. And from the Estarosa vs Sariel & Tarmiel fight everyone thinks that the AA's are 90k and Ludo 100k+. Then how the hell did Zeldris not get erased if he was 61k and Ludo's entire magic stat is probably more than that. Makes me think that the AA's are 50k and Ludo 60-65k (Mael has sunshine so his PL changes). And the graces are just overpowered and that's why they do so much damage. And the ark being so strong - when they sliced a *supposed* 116k Estarossa apart i think that's because of the "light is effective against darkness" thing, but maybe it's just me.. Also i'll probably get lynched by @OtakuFreak for saying this, but the only way i see that this makes sense is if we go like that. Also Ludociel has almost perfect magic flow/control in Margaret's body so that's out of the question. What's your opinion? Maybe i'm wrong, i don't know. Also don't tell me that Zeldris is that durable to just negate a 40k+ gap while his opponent's magic stat is more than likely bigger than his entire PL <- going by people's logic of Ludo 100k+.
 
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I always thought something was wrong with this. When Zeldris got hit in the face by Ludociel he was totally unprepared and he still got nothing more than a bloody lip. And from the Estarosa vs Sariel & Tarmiel fight everyone thinks that the AA's are 90k and Ludo 100k+. Then how the hell did Zeldris not get erased if he was 61k and Ludo's entire magic stat is probably more than that. Makes me think that the AA's are 50k and Ludo 60-65k (Mael has sunshine so his PL changes). And the graces are just overpowered and that's why they do so much damage. And the ark being so strong - when they sliced a *supposed* 116k Estarossa apart i think that's because of the "light is effective against darkness" thing, but maybe it's just me.. Also i'll probably get lynched by @OtakuFreak for saying this, but the only way i see that this makes sense is if we go like that. Also Ludociel has almost perfect magic flow/control in Margaret's body so that's out of the question. What's your opinion? Maybe i'm wrong, i don't know. Also don't tell me that Zeldris is that durable to just negate a 40k+ gap while his opponent's magic stat is more than likely bigger than his entire PL <- going by people's logic of Ludo 100k+.
Well, let me try to explain.

First of all, everyone is suggesting and implying that the Archangels, or Ludoshel are specifically inbetween the power levels of 90-100k since Tarmiel commented that a 88k Estarossa was "almost" as strong as them. Naturally, Ludoshel is much stronger than Sariel or Tarmiel, so he is probably closer to 100k.

As for the whole Zeldris vs Ludoshel situation, there are multiple reasons why he only sustained minimal damage:

-Ludoshel only used a ark of "greeting". So it probably wasn't his strongest or something on his spectrum of abilities that is considered weaker, despite the size of the ark.

-Ludoshel noted that he lacked control over his magic in Margarets body. Hinting that he couldn't control the arks power, possibly weaking it.

-Add in the fact that Ludoshel is definitely not at his strongest currently. Whilst Margaret as a vessel is superior to that of Solaseed or Tarmiel's host, I don't believe that Ludoshel is actually capable of using 100% of his magic power. If he can, then he certainly didn't in the moment considering his lack of control.

-Zeldris is durable. Sariel and Tarmiel in hosts used a combination of multiple arks and couldn't harm Estarossa, who's slightly more durable than a base Zeldris. So realistically, Ludoshel in a host isn't going to that much damage.

- Zeldris was prepared to fight Merlin. Sure, he was surprised by Ludoshels attack but he was still battle ready and not off-guard.

-Perhaps the nature of the ark he used as well had diminished results. Most other arks just blast demons, but this one seemed to place Zeldris in a cocoon of light? Seems weaker to me than a outright blast.

Basically, Ludoshel being inside a human host + weaker ark + Zeldris being durable = minimal damage.

 

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I always thought something was wrong with this. When Zeldris got hit in the face by Ludociel he was totally unprepared and he still got nothing more than a bloody lip. And from the Estarosa vs Sariel & Tarmiel fight everyone thinks that the AA's are 90k and Ludo 100k+. Then how the hell did Zeldris not get erased if he was 61k and Ludo's entire magic stat is probably more than that. Makes me think that the AA's are 50k and Ludo 60-65k (Mael has sunshine so his PL changes). And the graces are just overpowered and that's why they do so much damage. And the ark being so strong - when they sliced a *supposed* 116k Estarossa apart i think that's because of the "light is effective against darkness" thing, but maybe it's just me.. Also i'll probably get lynched by @OtakuFreak for saying this, but the only way i see that this makes sense is if we go like that. Also Ludociel has almost perfect magic flow/control in Margaret's body so that's out of the question. What's your opinion? Maybe i'm wrong, i don't know. Also don't tell me that Zeldris is that durable to just negate a 40k+ gap while his opponent's magic stat is more than likely bigger than his entire PL <- going by people's logic of Ludo 100k+.
It's simple. Sariel and Tarmiel were not at full power at first, then it's logical to think that Ludociel was not too. Also, Ludociel said that it was just a greeting, he was not serious. Moreover, Ludociel managed to block Zeldris's attack with no damage. They never said that Ludociel's control is almost perfect, he said the host is good, but he needs time to control it, it's not as good as his real body.
 

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Sariel and Tarmiel in hosts used a combination of multiple arks and couldn't harm Estarossa,
They sliced him apart like a piece of meat while they were in their hosts too. And that was with ark, not the graces which logically the graces are more powerful and should do more damage. All that happened to a 116k(?) Estarossa, but Zeldris who is almost half of that got away with just a bloody lip... Ugh, it's too hard to decide. We'll see in a couple of chapters how well he will do against Ludociel.
 

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They sliced him apart like a piece of meat while they were in their hosts too. And that was with ark, not the graces which logically the graces are more powerful and should do more damage. All that happened to a 116k(?) Estarossa, but Zeldris who is almost half of that got away with just a bloody lip... Ugh, it's too hard to decide. We'll see in a couple of chapters how well he will do against Ludociel.
Those were hosts coverted into their original bodies.

They got stronger.
 

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Those were hosts coverted into their original bodies.

They got stronger.
Oh, totally forgot about that. Sorry my bad then :facepalm Still, it would be nice for Nakaba to reveal everyone's PL, or at least the AA's, sins, top demons and the gods.
 

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Oh, totally forgot about that. Sorry my bad then :facepalm Still, it would be nice for Nakaba to reveal everyone's PL, or at least the AA's, sins, top demons and the gods.
And Elizabeth as well definitely.
 

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And Elizabeth as well definitely.
Well i didn't mention it since it was obvious :cheez But even i want to see her Goddess version PL so badly, although if it ends up being 120k or something like that, then there would be chaos here between you, Sobreno and MrSchmitty7 :fan
 

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Well i didn't mention it since it was obvious :cheez But even i want to see her Goddess version PL so badly, although if it ends up being 120k or something like that, then there would be chaos here between you, Sobreno and MrSchmitty7 :fan
I mean personally, I wont be that surprised considering how Nakaba has already hinted at how powerful she is in multiple ways: Goddess wings, AA praise, her ark having better feats etc.

At the minimum, regardless of her overall PL, according to the manga she should have a higher magic stat.
 

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I think Elizabeth is over 100k definitely in her current form, with a vast majority of that going to her magic state. Quote me on that one when we inevitably get Elie's PL with memories unlocked
 

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Elizabeth is over 100k but lets her best buds Dolor and Gloxinia get slaughtered by Chandler? Doesnt seem right to me.
 

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Elizabeth is over 100k but lets her best buds Dolor and Gloxinia get slaughtered by Chandler? Doesnt seem right to me.
elizabeth's first priority was to save mel, she knew they wanted to sacrifice themselves, and wasnt going to go all the way back try and stop them. To begin with, she was already on boar hat at that point far away. only king and diane were with dolor and glox and that was to tell them they were going to be leaders of their respective clans in the future.

Most of Elizabeth's inaction can be explained away from simply not being inclined to fight as the first reaction, but instead heal and support. She so far has only attacked others in defense and even then not with the intent to hurt.

That easily masks the depth of her power, but IMO, her magical support feats actually show her skill off.
 

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I think Elizabeth is over 100k definitely in her current form, with a vast majority of that going to her magic state. Quote me on that one when we inevitably get Elie's PL with memories unlocked
100k is pushing it in her human form to be fair.

I only believe she's 100k or more (AA tier) as a Goddess. As a human she's considerably weaker - so probably commandment tier tbh
 

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elizabeth's first priority was to save mel, she knew they wanted to sacrifice themselves, and wasnt going to go all the way back try and stop them. To begin with, she was already on boar hat at that point far away. only king and diane were with dolor and glox and that was to tell them they were going to be leaders of their respective clans in the future.

Most of Elizabeth's inaction can be explained away from simply not being inclined to fight as the first reaction, but instead heal and support. She so far has only attacked others in defense and even then not with the intent to hurt.
She wouldnt need to go all the way back to stop Dolor and Glox, she'd just need to go all the way back to help them kill Chandler with her mighty 100k+ PL, which also happens to be a much more certain way to "save Meliodas", than simply hoping Hawk Mama can outrun Chandler. There is just no way Eli would sacrifice two of her friends if she had the PL to prevent it, its not possible.
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100k is pushing it in her human form to be fair.

I only believe she's 100k or more (AA tier) as a Goddess. As a human she's considerably weaker - so probably commandment tier tbh
Isnt she a goddess with her memories back? I always assumed she regained all of her powers once she got back her memories
 

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She wouldnt need to go all the way back to stop Dolor and Glox, she'd just need to go all the way back to help them kill Chandler with her mighty 100k+ PL, which also happens to be a much more certain way to "save Meliodas", than simply hoping Hawk Mama can outrun Chandler. There is just no way Eli would sacrifice two of her friends if she had the PL to prevent it, its not possible.
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Isnt she a goddess with her memories back? I always assumed she regained all of her powers once she got back her memories
While I do not think current Eli is 100k your solution in no way takes into consideration the character so it wasn’t a good rebuttal. Your last statement is however logical.

She is human with her powers recovered to an unknown degree that is definetely not what it used to be. She has memory and therefore techniques she had known but it cannot be said that those skills and techniques are backed up by the raw power she had ounce had. I believe that the fact that she has no natural wings and had stated her power not to be the same would attest to that
 
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