Hangout Fairy Tail Hangout Thread

[jetblackwings]

no and I don't need to but I see from people who live in Japan saying how western fans are so negative about FT while there it's not like that (you have threads about this on reddit).

Japanese fans might complain but not on the same level as western fans who release videos how shit it is and comment section on those videos are horrible.

Just because Japanese fans don't complain about the series as much doesn't mean they like what's happening. FT used to be TOP 3 selling manga in Japan in the Tenrou+GMG era, and dropped from the TOP 10 completely during Tartaros. JP fans might not be vocal about their dislike of the series, but the drop in sales says it all.

Erza vs Irene was in Vol 60 and ended in Vol 61 and there is no mention about Erza's fights being controversial.

Ok I went back and checked and he didn't say anything about the fight itself, but he did address criticism he got for Irene's backstory [LINK]. He also said in an interview after the series ended how fans told him Erza should lose more often [LINK].

Fair enough with Juvia.
Zero straight up wrecked them. "He's main antognoist, so of course" you say That happened to Erza anytime? No? Ok
She lost to Minerva, got destroyed! No excuses.
Gray wasn't able to land any blows on Rufus, but ok it wasn't 1 v 1, I'll grant you that

I mention R1 because that's where they fight without getting some external boosts or POF. In the round 2 that followed, they almost always got some external powerup or POF or often both. Whether it's R1 or R2, losses are still losses. Period. How am I cherrypicking here? Natsu had clean Ls, multiple times.

Yea no, these weren't "drive by fights". And your case for Cobra is wrong as well, Cobra got help. It's was a team matchup; there is a reason I didn't bring up Natsu's, Lucy's or Gray's Ls from that initial fight. Again. Name one fight where Erza took a clean L. You still CAN'T.

No, you don't get it. What I mean is that Mashima always excuses the few fights where Erza took an L. Always.

Seriously, Gray got 3? Where? Gray got one demon gate fight in Tartarus. He one shotted another towards the end (no fight there), And got to fight Mard (not a DG). Tartarus was the only arc where Gray got shine, after freaking Galuna. He's underwhelming AF in pretty much every other arc

Erza never had a fight with a main antagonist in the first place, apart from Jellal and Jose who you claim "don't count". Ofc if she'd faced off against Zero she would have gotten destroyed, no way would Mashima let her take the main villain instead of Natsu lol.
Lucy came second in that event that involved 7 people, one of which is a water mage. She only lost to the strongest female mage there, big deal.

Well, if Natsu vs Zancrow round 1 counts as a separate battle, than Erza lost against Azuma before getting a POF boost.

Ok. She might not have taken a "clean" L but she took many, many L's and has not gotten a clean W in AGES.

So is one shotting a fight or is it not? Even if not a fight it's still a big feat for him. Whether or not Mard is a DG or not is beside the point, he still had many feats, fights and screentime that arc while Erza got thrown in the garbage.

 

[Ramen]

@Jko @kianp67

Ayo, when Gildarts' first silhouette was shown, doesn't he kinda look like Elfman

Spoiler: 1

 

[grey matter]

Erza never had a fight with a main antagonist in the first place, apart from Jellal and Jose who you claim "don't count". Ofc if she'd faced off against Zero she would have gotten destroyed, no way would Mashima let her take the main villain instead of Natsu lol.
Lucy came second in that event that involved 7 people, one of which is a water mage. She only lost to the strongest female mage there, big deal.

Well, if Natsu vs Zancrow round 1 counts as a separate battle, than Erza lost against Azuma before getting a POF boost.

Ok. She might not have taken a "clean" L but she took many, many L's and has not gotten a clean W in AGES.

So is one shotting a fight or is it not? Even if not a fight it's still a big feat for him. Whether or not Mard is a DG or not is beside the point, he still had many feats, fights and screentime that arc while Erza got thrown in the garbage.

Doesn't matter. She still hasn't lost clean.
I've given you reasons as to why they don't count - simply because the narration straight up excused it (Jose explicitly mentioned her injuries, Jellol used bind snake when she was off guard)
Of course Natsu faces majority of final villains. But, I mentioned a few clean Ls Natsu took, even when it was not the major villain,
Yea, someone who Erza went onto stomp later on. Again, point being Lucy has taken clean Ls

Nope. There was significant delay between the two times Natsu fought Zancrow, while Erza fought Azuma continuously. Though this maynot have been the case in manga, I was anime only until GMG, so idk.
But, even if we remove the Zancrow case here, Natsu still has plenty of clean Ls through the series.

Ok, so you finally agree Erza hasn't got a clean L ever in the series. That's an improvement.
Ok, Erza hasn't got a clean W since Tartarus, but neither did any other character except Natsu (against Dimaria as END). Why is that relevant tho? My point here is that Erza has never taken a clean, unexcused L ever. While other main characters have taken numerous clean Ls

IF you're seriously arguing that Gray is treated better than Erza, i don't even know what to say to you. It's near unanimous that Gray is treated damn horribly for a MC

 

[Ramen]

Doesn't matter. She still hasn't lost clean.
I've given you reasons as to why they don't count - simply because the narration straight up excused it (Jose explicitly mentioned her injuries, Jellol used bind snake when she was off guard)
Of course Natsu faces majority of final villains. But, I mentioned a few clean Ls Natsu took, even when it was not the major villain,
Yea, someone who Erza went onto stomp later on. Again, point being Lucy has taken clean Ls

Nope. There was significant delay between the two times Natsu fought Zancrow, while Erza fought Azuma continuously. Though this maynot have been the case in manga, I was anime only until GMG, so idk.
But, even if we remove the Zancrow case here, Natsu still has plenty of clean Ls through the series.

Ok, so you finally agree Erza hasn't got a clean L ever in the series. That's an improvement.
Ok, Erza hasn't got a clean W since Tartarus, but neither did any other character except Natsu (against Dimaria as END). Why is that relevant tho? My point here is that Erza has never taken a clean, unexcused L ever. While other main characters have taken numerous clean Ls

IF you're seriously arguing that Gray is treated better than Erza, i don't even know what to say to you. It's near unanimous that Gray is treated damn horribly for a MC

Doesn't this kinda look like Elfman?

Spoiler: 1

Lol now I wanna see what he looked like before his encounter with Acnologia.

 

[grey matter]

Doesn't this kinda look like Elfman?

Spoiler: 1

Lol now I wanna see what he looked like before his encounter with Acnologia.

Yea, it does lol, the hairstyle.

Didn't he look pretty much the same, before as well? We saw flashbacks of when Gildarts used to hang around with Natsu and Lissana when they were kids

 

[Ramen]

Yea, it does lol, the hairstyle.

Didn't he look pretty much the same, before as well? We saw flashbacks of when Gildarts used to hang around with Natsu and Lissana when they were kids

Oh did we? Can you post em? I'm doing a re read of FT that's why I noticed it.

Also, even according to Mystogan Gildarts was the strongest. That's crazy.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Doesn't this kinda look like Elfman?

Spoiler: 1

Lol now I wanna see what he looked like before his encounter with Acnologia.

I want to know how and who saved Gildarts after he was almost killed by Acnologia.

 

[Ramen]

I want to know how and who saved Gildarts after he was almost killed by Acnologia.

If I had to guess, Acnologia didn't care enough for him because he's not a DS. Gildarts said it happened so quickly.

 

[jetblackwings]

Doesn't matter. She still hasn't lost clean.
I've given you reasons as to why they don't count - simply because the narration straight up excused it (Jose explicitly mentioned her injuries, Jellol used bind snake when she was off guard)
Of course Natsu faces majority of final villains. But, I mentioned a few clean Ls Natsu took, even when it was not the major villain,
Yea, someone who Erza went onto stomp later on. Again, point being Lucy has taken clean Ls

Nope. There was significant delay between the two times Natsu fought Zancrow, while Erza fought Azuma continuously. Though this maynot have been the case in manga, I was anime only until GMG, so idk.
But, even if we remove the Zancrow case here, Natsu still has plenty of clean Ls through the series.

Ok, so you finally agree Erza hasn't got a clean L ever in the series. That's an improvement.
Ok, Erza hasn't got a clean W since Tartarus, but neither did any other character except Natsu (against Dimaria as END). Why is that relevant tho? My point here is that Erza has never taken a clean, unexcused L ever. While other main characters have taken numerous clean Ls

IF you're seriously arguing that Gray is treated better than Erza, i don't even know what to say to you. It's near unanimous that Gray is treated damn horribly for a MC

It's relevant bc my original post was about how badly Mashima treats Erza, not about her win-lose rates. It's not just about her losing fights but her lack of power development, plot relevance and screentime in Tartaros and Avatar arcs.

Also Gray defeated the thunder legion (clean W), went on to fight and defeat Mirajane and Elfman, and a god seed all the while Erza was unconscious for 10 chapters straight. How come he has no problems winning fights while being tired from previous battles?

I know Gray being treated badly is a popular opinion, but that's just because ppl here especially hate Erza and like Gray. I interact with lots of fellow Erza fans and most of us feel the same way.

 

[grey matter]

Oh did we? Can you post em? I'm doing a re read of FT that's why I noticed it.

Also, even according to Mystogan Gildarts was the strongest. That's crazy.

I haven't read the manga until GMG arc. It was in the same episode that Gildarts came back to FT (they showed Natsu and Gildarts playing catch ball, Gildarts saving Natsu and Lissana from a vulcan/monkey etc). There are also episodes showing Cana's flashbacks of Gildarts, where he appeared just a bit younger but pretty much looking the same.
Then, there is also spin off - ice trail (kid Gray's journey to FT after Deliora vs Ul). Gildarts appear in the spin off, helping out young Gray. He looked pretty much the same there as well

No shit lol. Gildarts was the uncontested strongest forever in the guild

 

[Ramen]

I haven't read the manga until GMG arc. It was in the same episode that Gildarts came back to FT (they showed Natsu and Gildarts playing catch ball, Gildarts saving Natsu and Lissana from a vulcan/monkey etc). There are also episodes showing Cana's flashbacks of Gildarts, where he appeared just a bit younger but pretty much looking the same.
Then, there is also spin off - ice trail (kid Gray's journey to FT after Deliora vs Ul). Gildarts appear in the spin off, helping out young Gray. He looked pretty much the same there as well

I see.

No shit lol. Gildarts was the uncontested strongest forever in the guild

I just mean he was revered that early on.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I never thought someone would think that Erza is treated badly.

I want to know how and who saved Gildarts after he was almost killed by Acnologia.

I originally thought well he crawled to some town and found a healer or something.

But he was gutted, lost an arm and leg so no way he did it on his own.

 

[kian]

@Jko @kianp67

Ayo, when Gildarts' first silhouette was shown, doesn't he kinda look like Elfman

Spoiler: 1

Elfman is the real ace, Gildarts is just a fake.

 

[Ramen]

Elfman is the real ace, Gildarts is just a fake.

I miss the days when Elfman competed with the others in strength

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

I never thought someone would think that Erza is treated badly.


I originally thought well he crawled to some town and found a healer or something.

But he was gutted, lost an arm and leg so no way he did it on his own.

Someone must have helped Gildarts get to town.

 

[Ramen]

Someone must have helped Gildarts get to town.

I did. I actually stomped Acnologia with my magic but I let him escape and then I went to to the world of Black Clover.

 

[Seven777]

It's relevant bc my original post was about how badly Mashima treats Erza, not about her win-lose rates. It's not just about her losing fights but her lack of power development, plot relevance and screentime in Tartaros and Avatar arcs.

Also Gray defeated the thunder legion (clean W), went on to fight and defeat Mirajane and Elfman, and a god seed all the while Erza was unconscious for 10 chapters straight. How come he has no problems winning fights while being tired from previous battles?

I know Gray being treated badly is a popular opinion, but that's just because ppl here especially hate Erza and like Gray. I interact with lots of fellow Erza fans and most of us feel the same way.

You're out of your mind, Mashima treats Erza better than every character in the manga bar Natsu. Even Lucy, the protagonist of the series, don't get treated as well as Erza does.

For power development, she got Nakagami, a Dragon Slaying sword, and a Demon Slayer sword, she is literally Natsu, Gray, Wendy and Gildarts wrapped into one character lol.

Who the fuck cares about the Thunder Legion lol? A two second fight with characters no one cares about and an off panel fight with Mirajane, big deal. Erza got the best drawn and best choreographed fight in the entirety of 100 YQ. Erza vs Laxus blows all of Gray's 100YQ fights out of the water, in fact it's the only truly serious 1v1 fight we've had in the new series.

Gray gets treated like the trash you see on the side of the road, the only halfway decent moment he's had was against the God Seed, and the fight was both shorter and less interesting than Erza's fight.

 

[grey matter]

It's relevant bc my original post was about how badly Mashima treats Erza, not about her win-lose rates. It's not just about her losing fights but her lack of power development, plot relevance and screentime in Tartaros and Avatar arcs.

Also Gray defeated the thunder legion (clean W), went on to fight and defeat Mirajane and Elfman, and a god seed all the while Erza was unconscious for 10 chapters straight. How come he has no problems winning fights while being tired from previous battles?

I know Gray being treated badly is a popular opinion, but that's just because ppl here especially hate Erza and like Gray. I interact with lots of fellow Erza fans and most of us feel the same way.

Yeah no, you explicitly mentioned her fights, how they were somehow underwhelming. When she hasn't taken a single damn clean L EVER in the series. Underwhelming in terms of quality? Sure, most were some of the biggest asspull I've ever seen in anime. But definitely not underwhelming in terms of portrayal. She's Mashima's golden girl whose image is to be protected all times, even freaking Plotsu has taken several clean Ls throughout the series.
Lack of power development? She randomly learned enchantment from Wendy, and got DeS and DS swords. If these are permanent weapons for her, she's basically Natsu and Gray in her self. Gray already gets supplanted in this case, since the only thing he has going on for him is that he's a DeS. Now you can throw him into the gutter along with Gajeel.

LMAO, fucking thunder tribe and off screen fight against Strauss siblings,where Mashima further threw him under the bus by having Cana and even his own damn girl shit on him, while taking away any credit Gray could have by highlighting multiple times "it's because they're injured from fight against dragon eaters".
While Erza out of nowhere gave FREAKING LAXUS a run for his money.
Dude, just stop.

Erza gets 2nd more screentime in pretty much every major arc, never takes clean Ls, has Eileen plot going on etc.
While Gray is literally treated like utter trash this entire arc.
Not even comparable. Erza fans are straight up delusional if they think she's treated as bad, or worse than Gray. I for one, don't really like (or dislike) Gray as a character, take it if you believe me; I feel it's the same for most people here, it's apathy.

You're out of your mind, Mashima treats Erza better than every character in the manga bar Natsu. Even Lucy, the protagonist of the series, don't get treated as well as Erza does.

For power development, she got Nakagami, a Dragon Slaying sword, and a Demon Slayer sword, she is literally Natsu, Gray, Wendy and Gildarts wrapped into one character lol.

Who the fuck cares about the Thunder Legion lol? A two second fight with characters no one cares about and an off panel fight with Mirajane, big deal. Erza got the best drawn and best choreographed fight in the entirety of 100 YQ. Erza vs Laxus blows all of Gray's 100YQ fights out of the water, in fact it's the only truly serious 1v1 fight we've had in the new series.

Gray gets treated like the trash you see on the side of the road, the only halfway decent moment he's had was against the God Seed, and the fight was both shorter and less interesting than Erza's fight.

The guy literally bought up Gray vs thunder legion, and the off screen fight against Strauss siblings to argue he's treated better than Erza. Fucking priceless

 

[jetblackwings]

You're out of your mind, Mashima treats Erza better than every character in the manga bar Natsu. Even Lucy, the protagonist of the series, don't get treated as well as Erza does.

For power development, she got Nakagami, a Dragon Slaying sword, and a Demon Slayer sword, she is literally Natsu, Gray, Wendy and Gildarts wrapped into one character lol.

Who the fuck cares about the Thunder Legion lol? A two second fight with characters no one cares about and an off panel fight with Mirajane, big deal. Erza got the best drawn and best choreographed fight in the entirety of 100 YQ. Erza vs Laxus blows all of Gray's 100YQ fights out of the water, in fact it's the only truly serious 1v1 fight we've had in the new series.

Gray gets treated like the trash you see on the side of the road, the only halfway decent moment he's had was against the God Seed, and the fight was both shorter and less interesting than Erza's fight.

Those are all new armors and swords, Gray and Lucy get completely new forms of magic. Plus, the swords appeared in the sequel that he didn't even plan to do, he ended the story leaving Erza the only MC to never get any powerups. She's treated like an afterthought.

I haven't made it clear that I think Erza was treated horribly from Tartaros-Alvarez. Everything before that was great. The sequel is a mixed bag. I did like Erza vs Laxus, it was the only decent battle Erza got in ages. The Kyria hypnotizing bs was gross and I hate how she was unconscious for 10 chapters straight.

So Erza got one big battle that she lost and did nothing for the rest of the arc, and Gray has been fighting non stop and won all his battles. That's a pretty fair trade if you ask me. What more do you want from him? To have one big fight on top of all those battles?

Yeah no, you explicitly mentioned her fights, how they were somehow underwhelming. When she hasn't taken a single damn clean L EVER in the series. Underwhelming in terms of quality? Sure, most were some of the biggest asspull I've ever seen in anime. But definitely not underwhelming in terms of portrayal. She's Mashima's golden girl whose image is to be protected all times, even freaking Plotsu has taken several clean Ls throughout the series.
Lack of power development? She randomly learned enchantment from Wendy, and got DeS and DS swords. If these are permanent weapons for her, she's basically Natsu and Gray in her self. Gray already gets supplanted in this case, since the only thing he has going on for him is that he's a DeS. Now you can throw him into the gutter along with Gajeel.

Erza vs Kyouka was definitely underwhelming. It was the shortest MC fight of the arc, the most half-assed and the most meaningless to the plot. Gray's had 5 chapters focused on him with his fight with Silver alone, and later went on to fight Mard as well. Erza had a two chapter fight and didn't get any focus beyond that.

Wait I thought Wendy did enchant for her? Which is it? Did she do it herself or get outside help like you claim? Again, this was after the main story ended and Mashima ended the OG FT leaving Erza the only MC without any kind of powerup.

Erza gets 2nd more screentime in pretty much every major arc, never takes clean Ls, has Eileen plot going on etc.
While Gray is literally treated like utter trash this entire arc.
Not even comparable. Erza fans are straight up delusional if they think she's treated as bad, or worse than Gray. I for one, don't really like (or dislike) Gray as a character, take it if you believe me; I feel it's the same for most people here, it's apathy.

Nope, Erza was the only person in the Avatar arc that we didn't get a separate chapter to see what she was doing during the time skip. We got Natsu, Lucy, Wendy, Juvia, even glimpses of Gajeel and Levy. Erza? Nothing. We have no idea what she did prior to working with Gray against Avatar. She gets shafted even in slice-of-life like moments. More screentime my ass. Again there was also Tartaros where she only had two chapters focused on her and off screened fight with Minerva, far less than any other MC.

We have no idea if anything will come out of the Irene plotline, just like how nothing did in the OG series. Let's not mention things that haven't happened yet shall we? I wouldn't be surprised if she was there just for Wendy.

 

[Seven777]

Those are all new armors and swords, Gray and Lucy get completely new forms of magic. Plus, the swords appeared in the sequel that he didn't even plan to do, he ended the story leaving Erza the only MC to never get any powerups. She's treated like an afterthought.

I haven't made it clear that I think Erza was treated horribly from Tartaros-Alvarez. Everything before that was great. The sequel is a mixed bag. I did like Erza vs Laxus, it was the only decent battle Erza got in ages. The Kyria hypnotizing bs was gross and I hate how she was unconscious for 10 chapters straight.

So Erza got one big battle that she lost and did nothing for the rest of the arc, and Gray has been fighting non stop and won all his battles. That's a pretty fair trade if you ask me. What more do you want from him? To have one big fight on top of all those battles?



Erza vs Kyouka was definitely underwhelming. It was the shortest MC fight of the arc, the most half-assed and the most meaningless to the plot. Gray's had 5 chapters focused on him with his fight with Silver alone, and later went on to fight Mard as well. Erza had a two chapter fight and didn't get any focus beyond that.

Wait I thought Wendy did enchant for her? Which is it? Did she do it herself or get outside help like you claim? Again, this was after the main story ended and Mashima ended the OG FT leaving Erza the only MC without any kind of powerup.



Nope, Erza was the only person in the Avatar arc that we didn't get a separate chapter to see what she was doing during the time skip. We got Natsu, Lucy, Wendy, Juvia, even glimpses of Gajeel and Levy. Erza? Nothing. We have no idea what she did prior to working with Gray against Avatar. She gets shafted even in slice-of-life like moments. More screentime my ass. Again there was also Tartaros where she only had two chapters focused on her and off screened fight with Minerva, far less than any other MC.

We have no idea if anything will come out of the Irene plotline, just like how nothing did in the OG series. Let's not mention things that haven't happened yet shall we? I wouldn't be surprised if she was there just for Wendy.

An afterthought? Are you nuts? First off, how is Gray getting a new form of magic? It's still Ice magic ain't it? It doesn't even look particularly different, the only thing it's really changed is that his Ice sword is a katana now. Erza gets a variety of different designs with a variety of different effects, and I can tell you as someone who draws a fair amount, designing armors like Erza's takes an incomparably long amount of time compared to the new shit Gray get's, Gray's new magic is basically just a rough silhouette of an object colored white, even a noob like me could come up with that shit in two seconds. The love Mashima gives Erza's magic is far and away the greatest in the manga, it's the most difficult, complicated, time consuming and requires the most artistic talent. The only character that rivals the love Erza's magic gets is Lucy, the main character of the story.

What? Cause she was was fetishized? Mashima does that to everyone, do you remember Larcade lol? He basically raped the whole battlefield, though Erza funnily enough wasnt included.

What's the point in having continuous battles if they all suck? I'd take a single great fight for Gray over all the trash he got this arc. He hasn't even gotten to take his revenge on Skullion yet, unlike Erza and Kyria. So yeah, I want a great battle for Gray.

Oh and for Gray, of course he got a long battle in Tartaros, it was his dad, how many chapters do you think Erza had with Eileen? Besides, Gray got shafted in the previous arc, and he was meant to be the central figure of Tartaros, Erza stepping down for his moment is what should have happened, though she still got tons of panel time.