Fantasy Jura vs Bluenote

[Coné]

Combatant 1: Jura
Powers: Earth Magic

Combatant 2: Bluenote
Powers: Gravity Magic

Location: Domus Flau
Mindset: Bloodlusted
Intel: Full
Restrictions: PiS, CiS, Hype, anime feats.

Scenario 1: Nirvana Jura vs Tenrou Bluenote
Scenario 2: GMG Jura vs Tenrou Bluenote
Scenario 3: GMG Jura vs Current Bluenote

No flaming and use feats and reliable scaling to define the winner.

 

[Brandish μ]

Bluenote stomps

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1) Bluenote high diff
2) Jura high diff
3) Bluenote is dead currently? Or he is still in hospital. Jura no diff.

Hopefully someone will refresh me with feats in subsequent discussion. I used where I rank them to decide the fights.

 

[Coné]

Bluenote stomps

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1) Bluenote high diff
2) Jura high diff
3) Bluenote is dead currently? Or he is still in hospital. Jura no diff.

Hopefully someone will refresh me with feats in subsequent discussion. I used where I rank them to decide the fights.

Don't use dead Bluenote for scenario 3... just use the latest healthy version of Bluenote that we got.

 

[Brandish μ]

3) Jura high diff. Just going to say Bluenote didn't improve and is the same as he was on Tenrou. We didn't get to see how Bluenote is now he can still put people down with gravity just not someone strong like Natsu. Roar is just so strong.

 

[Coné]

3) Jura high diff. Just going to say Bluenote didn't improve and is the same as he was on Tenrou. We didn't get to see how Bluenote is now he can still put people down with gravity just not someone strong like Natsu. Roar is just so strong.

He immobilized Wendy casually. Depending if it was DF Wendy or Base Wendy, this might be enough to cause Jura some trouble.

 

[Vasgoko]

Combatant 1: Jura
Powers: Earth Magic

Combatant 2: Bluenote
Powers: Gravity Magic

Mindset: Bloodlusted
Intel: Full
Restrictions: PiS, CiS, Hype, anime feats.

Scenario 1: Nirvana Jura vs Tenrou Bluenote
Scenario 2: GMG Jura vs Tenrou Bluenote
Scenario 3: GMG Jura vs Current Bluenote

No flaming and use feats and reliable scaling to define the winner.

Well given the scenarios,

1) Bluenote easy diff.

2) Jura mid diff

3) Bluenote easy diff


If any of those were Alvarez Jura:

Jura no diff all...

 

[Coné]

Well given the scenarios,

1) Bluenote easy diff.

2) Jura mid diff

3) Bluenote easy diff


If any of those were Alvarez Jura:

Jura no diff all...

Why would there be a Current Jura at all...? Once Jura shows us his current abilities, which isn't that long from now, I'll update the OP.

Explain 3). Tenrou Bluenote and Current Bluenote are basically the same except the current version is much more restricted (reaction speed and durability are more limited because his current feats can't be applied to his Tenrou version) and has one or two minor feats.

 

[Axiomus]

Bluenote mid-diff. Nirvanna Jura was likely only on TOH Erza's level.

Rounds 2-3 are the same: Jura high-diff. Same difficulty it took for Laxus to beat Jura.

 

[Brandish μ]

He immobilized Wendy casually. Depending if it was DF Wendy or Base Wendy, this might be enough to cause Jura some trouble.

Jura could probably stand and move just as easy as Gildarts.

 

[Vasgoko]

Why would there be a Current Jura at all...? Once Jura shows us his current abilities, which isn't that long from now, I'll update the OP.

Explain 3). Tenrou Bluenote and Current Bluenote are basically the same except the current version is much more restricted (reaction speed and durability are more limited because his current feats can't be applied to his Tenrou version) and has one or two minor feats.

Current Jura is ranked 4 in TWS. Bluenote never reached that level. Jura has taken Warrod's place and Warrod could easily stomped Bluenote.

Bluenote got oneshotted by Natsu, Jura doesnt.

Obviously Jura didn't sit around doing nothing for the past year.

3) Explained:

GMG Jura doesn't stand a chance Current Bluenote cuz Current Bluenote is way stronger than Tenrou, that's a one year difference.

 

[Brandish μ]

@Vasgoko it's 8 year difference for Bluenote he wasn't stuck in a stasis chamber like FT.

What about current Makarov is he stronger than Phantom Lord Makarov? Not everyone improves in timeskip they gotta prove it.

 

[Coné]

Current Jura is ranked 4 in TWS. Bluenote never reached that level. Jura has taken Warrod's place and Warrod could easily stomped Bluenote.

Bluenote got oneshotted by Natsu, Jura doesnt.

Obviously Jura didn't sit around doing nothing for the past year.

3) Explained:

GMG Jura doesn't stand a chance Current Bluenote cuz Current Bluenote is way stronger than Tenrou, that's a one year difference.

Jura took Warrod's place because one of the GoI defected the council. It doesn't mean that he necessarily got stronger. You can't scale Jura to Warrod either and besides, Warrod is featless

Jura never fought Natsu

Proof that Current Bluenote is stronger than Tenrou Bluenote?

 

[Vasgoko]

Jura took Warrod's place because one of the GoI defected the council. It doesn't mean that he necessarily got stronger. You can't scale Jura to Warrod either and besides, Warrod is featless

Jura never fought Natsu

Proof that Current Bluenote is stronger than Tenrou Bluenote?

That's true, but Jura wouldn't have moved up to 4th if he didn't deserve. I can almost guarantee you that the TWS below Jura could have taken 4th place if Jura didn't train. The TWS ranks are highly competitive.

Jura never fought Natsu, but he obviously wouldn't lose to Natsu by a single roar or fist.

Proof:

Chelia and Wendy who we know have gotten stronger were crushed by Bluenote's gravity before Natsu came.

 

[Coné]

That's true, but Jura wouldn't have moved up to 4th if he didn't deserve. I can almost guarantee you that the TWS below Jura could have taken 4th place if Jura didn't train. The TWS ranks are highly competitive.

Jura never fought Natsu, but he obviously wouldn't lose to Natsu by a single roar or fist.

Proof:

Chelia and Wendy who we know have gotten stronger were crushed by Bluenote's gravity before Natsu came.

He might have just stayed the same and he could have moved up to 4th. There's no evidence that any of the other WS got any stronger, so that's just speculation. I'd rather wait to see Jura and then make a judgement.

Proof that he can tank Natsu's roar?

How does that tell us that he got stronger? Can you make a valid comparison with Tenrou Bluenote or at least explain the thought process?

 

[BluePegasus]

1: Bluenote mid diff.
2: Jura high diff.
3: Jura mid diff.

 

[Vasgoko]

He might have just stayed the same and he could have moved up to 4th. There's no evidence that any of the other WS got any stronger, so that's just speculation. I'd rather wait to see Jura and then make a judgement.

Proof that he can tank Natsu's roar?

How does that tell us that he got stronger? Can you make a valid comparison with Tenrou Bluenote or at least explain the thought process?

Well, it's almost logical to assume Jura has change. If he hasn't, there should be no reason why he is fighting alongside the 3 gods of Ishgar on the Eastern front. He should be with Lyon and Lamia Scale if he didn't change. Even Lyon hinted that Jura has given others the leadership (not master position) of Lamia scale and has gone MIA in Lamia to deal with work in the TWS.

If Jura can't tank 1 single normal roar from Natsu, he is ultimately f*cked against a Spriggan and should not be standing beside Draculos Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod against God Serena, Jacob, etc.

I highly doubt Draculos Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod would let Jura stand by them in the middle of a battle if they knew that Jura was soft like baby skin.

That panel that showed the 3 Gods of Ishgar bringing Jura along with them should alone be enough to tell that Jura has changed.

As for 3rd par., explanation same as the first four above..

 

[Holt]

Bluenote stomps Jura in Scenario 1. For Scenario 2, Jura wins with considerable difficulty. Regardless of how strong Jura might've become in GMG, Makarov didn't think he'd be stronger than Gildarts, only that he'd would give Gildarts trouble and Makarov would've been going by last he knew Gildarts which is Tenrou. Jura would probably eventually win but with high difficulty. Bluenote uses gravity and Jura uses earth.
Jura can't trump Bluenote brawl style imo. Bluenote has gravity to weigh down his opponent and this combined with his own strength allowed him to go toe to toe with Gildarts from a physical standpoint. Jura's earth based attacks also seem like a bad match against Bluenote's Gravity. Jura would eventually win but with some difficulty. For the last one, Bluenote wins without much trouble. I'm guessing Jura has grown over the timeskip but we've not seen him in battle yet. If he can keep up with a spriggan, that would show tremendous increase. Just speculation but Current Jura should be able to take out Avatar Bluenote.

So for the battles:
1- Bluenote wins easily
2- Jura wins with high difficulty
3- Bluenote wins with mid difficulty

 

[Coné]

Well, it's almost logical to assume Jura has change. If he hasn't, there should be no reason why he is fighting alongside the 3 gods of Ishgar on the Eastern front. He should be with Lyon and Lamia Scale if he didn't change. Even Lyon hinted that Jura has given others the leadership (not master position) of Lamia scale and has gone MIA in Lamia to deal with work in the TWS.

If Jura can't tank 1 single normal roar from Natsu, he is ultimately f*cked against a Spriggan and should not be standing beside Draculos Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod against God Serena, Jacob, etc.

I highly doubt Draculos Hyberion, Wolfheim, and Warrod would let Jura stand by them in the middle of a battle if they knew that Jura was soft like baby skin.

That panel that showed the 3 Gods of Ishgar bringing Jura along with them should alone be enough to tell that Jura has changed.

As for 3rd par., explanation same as the first four above..

Why would we speculate that he would have changed? Fighting alongside strong characters doesn't mean that you're as strong as them. It's already been stated that the WS have formed the Magic Council and that's why Jura is with the GoI.

There are still other factors such as defensive skill, combat speed, etc... However, no durability feat he has indicates that he's able to tank that roar, but this isn't saying that he would have to be one-shotted by the roar. Besides, Current Natsu should be around Spriggan-level.

I don't even know why we're discussing this. It's not a scenario and I restricted hype.

None of those paragraphs explain why Bluenote has gotten stronger...

 

[Brandish μ]

GMG Jura has close quarter combat nearly at Laxus level, which to me is equal or above Gildarts (w/o crash). I can see Jura being better than Bluenote in close quarters.

Gravity is not really much of a factor for Jura to move because his strength would be close to Gildarts I imagine an he moved well. Might have effect on earth magic but we seen Jura fight Laxus predominantly without it and he pushed the fight to high diff. Also the Earth magic that Jura moves will come down to magic power (not strength), Jura has plenty of that so it would require more MP than usual (and this extra amount should be equal to the amount Bluenote is using for the gravity field imo).

Why is Bluenote better in Avatar when he didn't show anything off? Maybe he is worse now because he suffered incredible injuries from Gildarts at Tenrou...

 

[Vasgoko]

Why would we speculate that he would have changed? Fighting alongside strong characters doesn't mean that you're as strong as them. It's already been stated that the WS have formed the Magic Council and that's why Jura is with the GoI.

There are still other factors such as defensive skill, combat speed, etc... However, no durability feat he has indicates that he's able to tank that roar, but this isn't saying that he would have to be one-shotted by the roar. Besides, Current Natsu should be around Spriggan-level.

I don't even know why we're discussing this. It's not a scenario and I restricted hype.

None of those paragraphs explain why Bluenote has gotten stronger...

It's not hype. It's logical reasoning. When you are fighting the Spriggans, your life is at hand. If Jura wasn't capable of defending the Eastern front, he wouldn't be placed there. You don't see a Max or Warren running around in front of August.

I assure you Jura is Spriggan level. No way 4th ranked TWS in Ishgar is not Spriggan level.

Bluenote has gotten stronger cuz you can see Wendy and Chelia struggling even after they have grown stronger. Otherwise, Wendy and Chelia would have been like Natsu and oneshot Bluenote..

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@Vasgoko it's 8 year difference for Bluenote he wasn't stuck in a stasis chamber like FT.

What about current Makarov is he stronger than Phantom Lord Makarov? Not everyone improves in timeskip they gotta prove it.

Well as I said, a stronger Wendy and Chelia was in trouble by Bluenote before Natsu came.