Laxus vs Gray


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As @Nemispelled already mentioned i put Gray at bloodlusted.So we should take Gray which fought Invel in chapter 500 and Natsu.Now whether you will call it pof or something else it's upto you but we should take the highest version of Gray we have seen till now in this particular thread.
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@Brandish Randy can you add the tie option please?
 

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Wanted to make an updated thread with all the hype and talk Laxus and Gray have received in 100 yr quest.

Laxus:

No Restrictions

Bloodlust

Red Lightning


Gray:

No restrictions

Bloodlust

Has Darkness Power-up but starts with regular DeS.

All feats with current in 100 YrQ

No PoF BS
 

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How would Gray even win this? Laxus is still superior to both END Natsu and 'Darkness' Gray, probably combined, given how POF Erza definitely is and I doubt Laxus is far below her, if at all.
 

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Wanted to make an updated thread with all the hype and talk Laxus and Gray have received in 100 yr quest.

Laxus:

No Restrictions

Bloodlust

Red Lightning


Gray:

No restrictions

Bloodlust

Has Darkness Power-up but starts with regular DeS.

All feats with current in 100 YrQ

No PoF BS
this thread is same as the old Laxus vs Gray thread, so I decided to merge both threads. Tips: before creating a new match-up thread, try to search for existing threads first, and read the opening posts. If you think there is no similar thread, you can go make new one. Read the old opening post below, isnt it basically same? Laxus has RL, Gray has black marking.
Participant 1
Laxus Dreyar
Participant 2
Bloodlusted Darkness Gray as seen in chapter 504
Location Hargeon
No restrictions
Who wins?
Rule #8: This last rule probably does not really need to be stated, but please try to use threads that exist on match-ups and not create a thread on the same match-up with slightly different circumstances. We would prefer to have these threads based on the characters and not on the parameters. Threads should focus on the characters.
Here I am quoting you the rules in the Domus Flau subforum.

As for the poll, changing vote feature is available.
 

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Gray has never surpassed Laxus.
Laxus mid-diff.
 

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Laxus mid diffs. Might be a high diff with Gray at max POF, but I can't see him losing.
 

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Sorry Gray, but I really cannot believe Laxus losing this one. Bloodlust or Demon Slayer magic or Mp - Laxus has higher stats for them all! Plus Ice and Lightening has a bad match afterall.
 

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My stance is still the same. Laxus wins in an overwhelming victory.
 

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What if reverse situation : Gray is brainwatched by Touka and Laxus found him.

R1 : Laxus has only access to his classic lightning and Grey can use Silver's Devil Slayer
R2 : Laxus can use Red Lightning and Gray can tap into Devil Force he used vs END.

Who wins ?
 

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Laxus stomps first round. Gray with DeS was foddered by Skullion. Possibly one shots too.

His PoF Devil Force will give him a better chance. However, RL is Laxus' trump card since he doesn't have a DF. Laxus high diff second.


Now, Gray vs Laxus already exists so this will be merged into that thread.
 

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Now, Gray vs Laxus already exists so this will be merged into that thread.
Ok, I am sorry…. the fight between "Gajeel vs Erza" made me thinking of this. Thanks for your answer
 

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If Laxus found Gray, his mere presence would be so overwhelming, the brainwashing effect disappears. :cheez
 

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R1 : Laxus one-shot
R2 : Laxus mid-diff
 

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Gray is NOT on par with END in terms of raw power. Slaying magic gives huge specific advantages against the creature it's meant to slay (as much as a Pokemon double type advantage, if not more), yet EVEN THEN the fight was just even, proving how Gray would've been stomped if END wasn't a demon.

Laxus isn't a demon and he has far more offensive power and speed than Gray, but I don't deny Gray is smarter and more versatile. So it shouldn't be a stomp, but Laxus still wins.
 

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Arbaless period, full darkness Grey and END were above Laxus.

Current 100YQ, Laxus is now far stronger in every stats : Laxus > any Gray's version for now
 

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Gray is NOT on par with END in terms of raw power. Slaying magic gives huge specific advantages against the creature it's meant to slay (as much as a Pokemon double type advantage, if not more), yet EVEN THEN the fight was just even, proving how Gray would've been stomped if END wasn't a demon.

Laxus isn't a demon and he has far more offensive power and speed than Gray, but I don't deny Gray is smarter and more versatile. So it shouldn't be a stomp, but Laxus still wins.
Gray did stalemate END Natsu though. During their fight he went toe-to-toe with Natsu in striking strength. He was able to knock Natsu down. and pushed him back. Vice-versa happened to him. If you want to use Pokémon-theory, then fire is super effective against ice. In FT, it is actually canon that ice's weakness is fire too. Chelia, despite being a God Slayer, couldn't compete against Dimaria's powers when the latter was in her god soul Chronos' takeover. It was only after she activated third origin release with Ultear's assistance to access her peak potential magic power from the future, did she manage to defeat Dimaria. She also required Ultear's help to be able to move in Dimaria's Age Seal too, a spell stated to be taught to her from Chronos. So being a god slayer didn't grant her the strength to resist "gods" powers either.

The same reasoning is applicable to why Gray, despite being an ice devil slayer was outclassed by Invel, a regular ice mage, at the beginning of their fight. Invel could parry Gray's attacks with bare hands, toss him around with his own attacks, and affect Gray with his cold/freezing capability. It was only until he was resuscitated, that Gray could beat Invel into a pulp. Similar to Chelia, he became more powerful during his fight. Rather than third origin release though, the source of Gray's newfound strength came from his power of feelings. The dragon slayers could hardly damage the dragons when F.Rogue summoned them in the GMG arc too.

There are quite a number of examples showing us that slayer advantage isn't everything. Magic power and physical attributes should both be bigger factors to determine the relative strength between characters. Gray should be in the same tier as END Natsu in those aspects to be competing with him on equal footing. The difference between them were portrayed in their fight to be imperceptible. It was certainly closer than Laxus vs Erza, or Natsu vs Gajeel in the 100yq. Re. Laxus vs Gray, present day Laxus has mastered red lightning. For Gray, he has stagnated in terms of feats. Though I believe he has grown more powerful but simply hadn't display them yet. Until that is proven, it remains a speculation. Laxus should beat Gray without much difficulty.
 
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