Discussion Luffy's Growth Rate & Stats

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And these titles are not biased?






Why didn't you answer my question about these titles?
Your initially title was biased and unnecessarily long, it was bordering the lines of baiting and trolling, I don't particularly care for what you've changed your title to. When I changed it after your very first one, you should have never changed it again.

Tell me I'm lying?
 

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Your initially title was biased and unnecessarily long, it was bordering the lines of baiting and trolling, I don't particularly care for what you've changed your title to. When I changed it after your very first one, you should have never changed it again.

Tell me I'm lying?
No it's not biased. it's my opinion which I shared just like the title of these threads

- Admiral will not get low diffed
- Zoro killing Kaido is not unreasonable
- Kaido is not WSC

These titles are opinions which the thread creators shared. If my title is baiting then their titles are baiting too. Why are you cherry picking?
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Your initially title was biased and unnecessarily long, it was bordering the lines of baiting and trolling, I don't particularly care for what you've changed your title to. When I changed it after your very first one, you should have never changed it again.

Tell me I'm lying?
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Kaido is not WSC. Don't you think that title is to bait Kaido wankers?
Admirals will not get low diffed. Don't you think that title is to bait admiral haters?
Zoro killing Kaido is not unreasonable. Don't you think that title is to bait anti ZKK?

Why is only my thread considered as bait? You seem very biased as a mod
 

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Which was the initial title? I wanna laugh, since even that one is a piece of art
 

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During the first part of luffy's imprisonment in udon he was given kairoseki cuffs and given boulders to haul around. And he did that iirc for about 10 days. Kidd also went throught his and basically went toe to toe with luffy. Then of course came the haki training. it all made luffy substantially faster.
 

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Pre TS Luffy



Pre TS Zoro



No idea why lifting small blocks like that which they could do pre TS boosts their speed tremendously.
 

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Are you.. downplaying the trainingarc because it doesnt fit your narrative? :D What should they do otherwisem? benchpress islands?

Heck even goku and vegeta still do pushups
 

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Are you saying these 2 blocks are heavier


Than the building Zoro lifted pre TS?


Armament haki training arc sure. That's what Luffy did in Udon. Not speed or durability training arc.
 

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No but Zoro lifted it once. While these two made this for 10 days, while being handicapped in a way, where they would be on the ground pre TS. :D

Do we even know if katakuri could lift such a boulder? Maybe he would look into the future and wait until it shatters to the time
 

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Even all these blocks combined are still tiny



compared to the building Zoro lifted pre TS


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And we know pre TS Luffy who was weaker than Katakuri physically shits on Zoro in physical strength




Luffy who was cuffed in sea stone was still stronger than pre TS Zoro who could lift large buildings since that sea stone cuffed Luffy 1 shot one of the headliner in Udon (Daifugo maybe). Daifugo easily scales above pacifista who SH needed team up to beat.
 
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Can someone please get Kingmoe back and start a sanji vs. katakuri thread?
 

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Someone is comparing me with King Moe. Then you should be compared with Nik87. You and Moe are good fit. He is biased Sanji fan. You are biased Zoro fan. You two should debate each other.
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Can someone please get Kingmoe back and start a sanji vs. katakuri thread?
Also don't call your boyfriend if you are feeling threatened. @Lobo can tell you baby story to cheer you up.
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@Lobo Who is stronger Sulong Carrot or FI Zoro? Since you support powercreep that much then it should be an easy question to answer.
 

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Oh jeah i am biased towards zoro. Atleast i stand to that and dont try to wank Katakuri while downplaying 2 emperors. 😄

I only said Luffy speed and durability were consistent when he fought Kaido based on his fight with Doffy and Kata where his speed and dura stayed consistent. It has nothing to do with downplaying 2 emperors. I did not say Katakuri defeat x characters while I saw you many times saying Zoro defeat Kidd, Law, etc.

I actually defended Kaido by saying Luffy could keep up with him because Kaido was weakened. Ch. 1042 fresh Kaido easily 1 shot Boundman Luffy. But people seem to disagree and they said Luffy got stronger in speed and durability for some reason and Kaido could not manhandle pre Gear 5 Luffy, Luffy can tank Kaido's attacks, Luffy could keep up with Kaido's speed ignoring that Kaido was weakened which was confirmed by Yamato.

I even defended him from people (only 1 certain user) who put his durability below Big Mom. I wanked Kaido how his durability easily eclipsed Big Mom and I already stated the reasons why.

Reread the convo next time maybe.

If you are saying Zoro is faster than Big Mom, does that mean you are downplaying Big Mom or you are stating facts?
 
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@Lobo Who is stronger Sulong Carrot or FI Zoro? Since you support powercreep that much then it should be an easy question to answer.
Powercreep is a thing, doesn't mean every minor character that appears is stronger than everyone was the arc before. Pulling false equivalences is not a compelling argument.
 

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Even all these blocks combined are still tiny



compared to the building Zoro lifted pre TS


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And we know pre TS Luffy who was weaker than Katakuri physically shits on Zoro in physical strength




Luffy who was cuffed in sea stone was still stronger than pre TS Zoro who could lift large buildings since that sea stone cuffed Luffy 1 shot one of the headliner in Udon (Daifugo maybe). Daifugo easily scales above pacifista who SH needed team up to beat.
This is beyond absurd. We know for a fact that kairoseki drains devil fruit users of substantial parts of their strength and energy. Back in the day when luffy came in contact with sea stone he could barely move. That's the significance of his basically weighted training in udon. Basically, in preparation for the battle with kaido oda went and set up luffy to vastly level up his stats.
 

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Powercreep is a thing, doesn't mean every minor character that appears is stronger than everyone was the arc before. Pulling false equivalences is not a compelling argument.
If it is a thing do you agree Sulong Carrot manhandles Fishman Island Zoro? Because using powercreep, Zoro interaction with base Carrot suggests that her Sulong form would easily destroy Fishman Island Zoro who was much weaker than his Zou version.

This is beyond absurd. We know for a fact that kairoseki drains devil fruit users of substantial parts of their strength and energy. Back in the day when luffy came in contact with sea stone he could barely move. That's the significance of his basically weighted training in udon. Basically, in preparation for the battle with kaido oda went and set up luffy to vastly level up his stats.
Luffy with sea stone was still stronger than pre TS Luffy who could lift much larger building compared to tiny blocks in Udon since Luffy with sea stone 1 shot Daifugo and Daifugo scales above pacifista who SH needed team up to beat.
 

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If it is a thing do you agree Sulong Carrot manhandles Fishman Island Zoro? Because using powercreep, Zoro interaction with base Carrot suggests that her Sulong form would easily destroy Fishman Island Zoro who was much weaker than his Zou version.
My answer remains the same. I'll entertain you with a little elaboration: base Carrot was never near equal to Zoro, and it's hard to gauge how her Sulong compares to any version of Zoro because of how much she lacks in any form of haki.

If you want to debate that topic, start a thread about it, this is about Luffy between WCI and Wano, the point in the series in which he underwent the biggest powercreep so far in the series (and so did Zoro, Law and Kid in that arc for that matter).
 

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My answer remains the same. I'll entertain you with a little elaboration: base Carrot was never near equal to Zoro, and it's hard to gauge how her Sulong compares to any version of Zoro because of how much she lacks in any form of haki.

If you want to debate that topic, start a thread about it, this is about Luffy between WCI and Wano, the point in the series in which he underwent the biggest powercreep so far in the series (and so did Zoro, Law and Kid in that arc for that matter).
Their speed seem to be equal. I think Zoro blitz move is much faster than his normal move so Zou Zoro can low diff here. Sulong Carrot is much faster isn't it? So it should be easy for Sulong Carrot to defeat Fishman Island Zoro who was much slower and less durable using powercreep logic.

It's either powercreep is not a thing so Fishman Island Zoro easily destroy Sulong Carrot or Sulong Carrot easily destroy Fishman Island Zoro if powercreep is a thing.

If you want to debate that topic, start a thread about it, this is about Luffy between WCI and Wano
Why? because this does not fit your powercreep narrative and this discussion will destroy it?
 

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Luffy with sea stone was still stronger than pre TS Luffy who could lift much larger building compared to tiny blocks in Udon since Luffy with sea stone 1 shot Daifugo and Daifugo scales above pacifista who SH needed team up to beat.
But... we see luffy making an effort to lift the blocks at udon. Udon is specifically framed as a training arc throughout. What's the relevance of daifugo's strength to this? You don't have anything even vaguely resembling a point...
 

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But... we see luffy making an effort to lift the blocks at udon. Udon is specifically framed as a training arc throughout. What's the relevance of daifugo's strength to this? You don't have anything even vaguely resembling a point...
There was no effort at all. Luffy's effort was to outpace Kidd in a silly competition.

Luffy with sea stone was still stronger than his pre TS version since sea stone Luffy 1 shot Daifugo who easily scale above pre TS Luffy.

So

Sea stone Luffy in Udon>>>>Daifugo>>>>>Pre TS Luffy who could lift much large building

So I don't see how lifting those tiny blocks would help Luffy to increase his speed.

Udon was framed as training arc to boost Luffy's armament haki. Not to boost Luffy's speed and durability. Luffy said it in Udon to Hyo that he wanted to punch harder (by learning internal destruction). He never told Hyo that he wanted to be faster/he wanted to be more durable.
 
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