Games Mafia Game 100 - End Game

[Shad]

I can't answer irrelevant questions:

Q -> So you agree but did it anyway? Did you read the opening post before writing your post or not?
A -> Your question is kind of dumb, I'm clearly saying it wasn't a good idea, why would I do it anyway if I think it a bad idea?

Q -> Show me where you said if you posted your hint before or after reading the opening post.
A -> I never said anything about reading, I said: that was first thing in the day before I thought about it.

Q -> The Marm thing happened later, and looks like a complete odd 180 in retrospect.
A -> a 180 that happened before you pointed out that it a bad idea, so how can I be both trying to start a train and not start a train

 

[Riku]

Posting this now so I have the formula of the post ready, when it's more need. The are very early vibes that are bound to change a lot fast.

Current vibes:

SUS:
-
Lowkey-Sus
- Shad, SirSam, Demon
Neutral:
- Marms, James, DD, Asako, Erin, Lambu, Tatsumaki
Lowkey-trust
- Farfs, Gry
TRUST:
- Riku, duh

 

[Lambu]

If everyone is a death miller Imma lose my mind

How is it even weird to vote for someone without saying anything in this game when everyone can see it via the poll? No one can really miss it.

Day 1 though? I don't think so.

For situational awareness, the build up to a vote and its execution is always a great indicative to a player's allegiance.

@digitaldude why Lambu now?

Thats right! Why @digitaldude


Shad vs Gry feels like two towns being paranoid with each other, been there before with Gry recently so thats the vibe I get.

 

[GrySun]

I can't answer irrelevant questions:

Q -> So you agree but did it anyway? Did you read the opening post before writing your post or not?
A -> Your question is kind of dumb, I'm clearly saying it wasn't a good idea, why would I do it anyway if I think it a bad idea?

Q -> Show me where you said if you posted your hint before or after reading the opening post.
A -> I never said anything about reading, I said: that was first thing in the day before I thought about it.

Q -> The Marm thing happened later, and looks like a complete odd 180 in retrospect.
A -> a 180 that happened before you pointed out that it a bad idea, so how can I be both trying to start a train and not start a train

You are not the judge of what question is relevant or not. Nice attitude in a social game.

1. Not dumb at all. It lets me know whether you didn‘t read opening post and then realized your mistake, or read it, wrote it, and then realized the mistake later. It‘s a small thing but lets me understand „your mistake“ better. Then I‘d ask more specifics, just to see if the mindset you had then when you wrote vs later when you were different towards Marm is consistent and based on something.

2. In other words you pretended you answered my question when you didn‘t. When did you think about it? What made you reconsider? Considering it took this many posts to get you to say such a simple thing it‘s cleae to me you don‘t want to go into it more in-depth.

3. It happened sometime later, after you saw nobody following you up on the hinting. I‘m more surprised nobody told you it‘s a bad idea before. So my theory is you wanted to do a hint train to catch unaware sleepy players, then later „thought about it“ and scolded Marm for the same thing you did. Without any indication that you reconsidered your own stance, until I asked you.

 

[Shad]

@Riku I just hosted what I had ready from yesterday, I was planning to add more polish but I'm I need to satisfy some very demanding customers xD

React App

Web site created using create-react-app

shadoow.github.io

Hopefully it has no bugs but it a rushed deploy so I can't guarantee, if you find anything ping me.
Will have a look at it in 4 hours.

 

[Riku]

@Riku I just hosted what I had ready from yesterday, I was planning to add more polish but I'm I need to satisfy some very demanding customers xD

React App

Web site created using create-react-app

shadoow.github.io

Hopefully it has no bugs but it a rushed deploy so I can't guarantee, if you find anything ping me.
Will have a look at it in 4 hours.

Oh that's super clean and simple to use! Well done, like it a lot. As a developement idea, a timestamp for each record would be nice so it's easier tie into context of the thread.

 

[Lambu]

Want to point out I'll most probably set my vote on Marm, cause I have to go to work and wont come back till its already over. If I change sonething it would have to be in my break and I might not even bother

 

[Shad]

Oh that's super clean and simple to use! Well done, like it a lot. As a developement idea, a timestamp for each record would be nice so it's easier tie into context of the thread.

yes i have the info I will add it later to the interface.

 

[Lambu]

That app might change the way we handle voting in future MGs
Game 100 being revolutionary

@Tatsumaki @James Rye @Erinyes overall thoughts on discussion onegai?

 

[Farfalla]

@Riku I just hosted what I had ready from yesterday, I was planning to add more polish but I'm I need to satisfy some very demanding customers xD

React App

Web site created using create-react-app

shadoow.github.io

Hopefully it has no bugs but it a rushed deploy so I can't guarantee, if you find anything ping me.
Will have a look at it in 4 hours.

This is quite cool *-* (still backreading, bear with me till I'm done with my shift)

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Uh, so far I kinda share Lambu's thoughts... I can't tell if Gry and Shad are just two townies that got onto each other and that escalated faster than they intended. Granted, I'm not good at reading any of those 2. The other thoughts I share with Lambu is about Charmy Marmy... the whole "vanilla mafia" / "role hint" incident, imo, speaks worse about her than Shad, since she's the one that has been around for a while and yet didn't seem to be so sure about vanilla mafias being a thing + looked like maybe fishing for the doc.

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I have other 2 (maybe 3) bugging me a bit currently but I'll leave that for later.

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If there is a traitor among us, which is pretty much a given with only 3 mafias and Panda being host, and they aren't all the unskilled kind then we can afford like 3 mislynches plus 3 night kills, which isn't that much, as that takes us down to 7 total players and an almost mafia win if we fail to lynch a for the 4th time. So yeah, we should keep this in mind. Maybe Mafia got like 2 unskilled members and one skilled one which might give us a 66% to have a 50% extra failure chance on their kill action besides our prostitute and doc action. But even with that it will still be a close game that could already be over at day 3 (all mafia lynches) or day 4 (all town lynches).

Ah, forgot to go back to this. Yeah, since the lovers thing seems very unlikely to me now after Gry mentioned they can't be from the same side, was also wondering if maybe we have multiple recruits in game (not sure if mafia would be unskilled, tho). Either sleeper or traitor would fit since both become vanilla mafia after being recruited (blending in with the original ones), but I guess traitor seems to be the case indeed with the secondary roles rule. With that, not all recruitables would be legit, cause a 5 men mafia would be quite powerful against our mostly vanilla town, but maybe we have a fake and a legit traitor. And then what others said, with DMs in game, would complete the 'mafia member' chaos scenario + hoe and doc adding to the "wtf happened at night" situation when someone doesn't drop dead after it ("did doc protect?" "did hoe block?" "did mafia fail (if unskilled)?" "did mafia recruit?"). A battle of wits, huh... now who's up for some brain cancer lmao...

 

[Shad]

Ah, forgot to go back to this. Yeah, since the lovers thing seems very unlikely to me now after Gry mentioned they can't be from the same side

Asako said this, I'm confused if they can or cannot be on the same side, what do you think?

No lovers are now pure third party, they can't win with their other counterparts

 

[Erinyes]

Like sleeper yes but Jesus too no ?

Jesus is a role that appears townie only upon the player death, it's not a townie role, player knows he/she is Jesus.

 

[Shad]

Trusted:
Sir Sam: Basically switching away from me while Gry is campaigning on me and getting me to 2 votes, really doesn't make sense if SirSam is scum and Gry is town, since Sam would like to stay on me in that case and would AFK for the rest of the day, if Sam is scum then I would need to be scum as well for his change to make sense, but I know that I'm not so it not an option, for others lynching me first and me turning green should give you the same view as me today.

So to be lynched after me.

I want them to be scum:
GrySun: Nothing out of the ordinary with his Day 1 hunt and I'm biased since it was on me, so I'm not the best person to say if he is or no, either way never a good day 1 lynch usually since he is a good night kill for mafia and shouldn't be left alone if he doesn't die after 2 nights.

I'm ok with them today:
Riku: didn't seem like he was trying to take side, felt like his own person like a townie that is just seeing things from their own point of view.
Farfalla: Discussing mechanics, not accusing anybody, same as Gry if she is still alive in 2 days we have a problem, but same feel as Riku, feels independent but she is a very good player so won't make noob mafia mistakes.
Lambu: Didn't take side, very agreeable, last game we played together he accused me D1 for being too agreeable and I remember him being more frontal so I'm a bit scared this could be his mafia playstyle, who knows.
James Rye: Sounds like his normal D1 playstyle, discuss mechanics, people disagree with his accesements of the mechanic and are confused since he is supposed to know better, nothing out of the ordinary.
MarmaladeSky: I didn't like the way she tried to say that hinting to help the Pirate was a good idea, exactly was Gry was accusing me of doing, but it not much to go by.

I'm not ok with them:
Demonspeed: Never liked his posts, this game is no exception, 4 post that are 1 liners, but if he flips town I wouldn't be surprised, he is a coin flip at the moment.
Asako: the usual I'm busy with school, another coin flip.
DigitalDude: His first post overreacting to my placeholder that I clearly stated to be a placeholder was a bit off, it sounded like he was trying to be funny with him being SS tier, didn't feel like his usual post to me.

Not enough to make an idea about:
Erinyes, Tatsumaki

 

[Farfalla]

Asako said this, I'm confused if they can or cannot be on the same side, what do you think?

Yeah they can't win with their original parties, but the role description say they can't both belong to the same original party as well.

 

[Erinyes]

@Erinyes that said, when can we get a summary of hints?

I'm laid off... those hosts are ruining my life !

 

[Riku]

Shads system seems to be working fine, but here I a failsafe timestamp for now.

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Hopefully I won't need to do these for long.

 

[Farfalla]

Trusted:
Sir Sam: Basically switching away from me while Gry is campaigning on me and getting me to 2 votes, really doesn't make sense if SirSam is scum and Gry is town, since Sam would like to stay on me in that case and would AFK for the rest of the day, if Sam is scum then I would need to be scum as well for his change to make sense, but I know that I'm not so it not an option, for others lynching me first and me turning green should give you the same view as me today.

I think that's too much credit given to Sam considering he said it himself he couldn't be around. Actually, he said he wasn't convinced you're worth being kept but he deemed you town based on something that to me sounds silly: a mafia wouldn't give us a tool to track last mins vote changes (wut).

@MarmaladeSky how do you feel about Sam?

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Farfalla: Discussing mechanics, not accusing anybody

And that's also false, meh, just for the sake of pointing that out. I did say 2 names I had problems with and why.

 

[Riku]

Shads erratic actions haven't sold me yet, but for sheer effort I'm willing to give him another day. So I'm currently leaning towards Sam and Demon.

Shads defense of Sam makes me iffy. I don't think he has done anything to gain that kind of trust.

 

[Farfalla]

Gonna make my list of impressions on people in some hours as well.

 

[Shad]

I think that's too much credit given to Sam considering he said it himself he couldn't be around. Actually, he said he wasn't convinced you're worth being kept but he deemed you town based on something that to me sounds silly: a mafia wouldn't give us a tool to track last mins vote changes (wut).

@MarmaladeSky how do you feel about Sam?

If I'm town and Gry is town, would he switch vote? It doesn't make sense that he would, he would just AFK, he had a very good excuse to keep his vote on me even, since he could use last game as an excuse for his placeholder and AFK, to me this look geniun.
If Gry is scum:
- If Sam is scum it wouldn't make sense for 2 scum to vote the same town
- If Sam is town then Gry's attempt would make sense.

Eitherway I'm convinced enough on him for Day1 and as I said, I'm willing to bet my life on it. (Vote me first since the only reason his action would make sense is if he was switching to save a teammate)

And that's also false, meh, just for the sake of pointing that out. I did say 2 names I had problems with and why.

Sorry based on my memory, it could be false yes, but I'm saying what I think publicly so no ill intent, eitherway you are not a Day 1 Lynch unless you mess up, good players are better left for mafia to deal with and if they don't then we can ask them questions about surviving 2 nights xD