The role description says he only has to learn from them two times, not that it needs to be simultaneous without other targets thrown in so I'd think you can.
I do think you latch onto Panda a little quickly, but it is fair to question him given the importance of today.
As for what benefit there is to switch learning targets, if you doubt that someone is town or another role is out in the open you think should be prioritised then I get the switch- won't put words in his mouth though.
If Kat is mafia then it'd be a shock to me, she's seemed very solid town. Insane Apprentice doesn't check out unless Mafia started as 2 because assuming they started with 3 and then lost Xadyu, with the addition of insane apprentice to their ranks they'd have already won as it'd be a 3v3 scenario.
You could have asked her beginning of the day to make sure she doesn't reveal since this one thing could confirm 2 players.
Then in a normal game, claiming det doesn't confirm the apprentice since m.det exists (this game probably doesn't have one, but could have been mechanic.
Wojak as I said yesterday, for reasons I stated yesterday, as well (I slightly distrusted her after her DD comment and didn't want to accidentally die on her without announcing my next target).
Marms you were one of the people to whom it was apparently obvious that Kat was det, yet 1. you didn't pick up on my statements earlier, 2. you didn't quote my claim earlier (even tho you watch Conan so you should recognise it) and 3. you've generally been quite giddy about me claiming sth. Surprised almost~
- Yes
- No, because I didn't target her consecutively. You can check my posts, I mentioned before that I targeted Wojak over her because I distrusted her 'uh oh DD' comment. When I backread I saw that day she had sth else going on and forgot because of that. Besides, the following day I announced her, so I felt comfortable going for her then
- Well she didn't already reveal, at least I didn't see her say "I'm det". At the very least, it was not obvious to me, so to me it was worth the wait
- I asked so I could call it to confirm her and myself
I just didn’t make the connection Had a blonde moment I guess, thought you were playing around still. So no surprise, I genuinely thought you hadn’t claimed yet
It's great, and not yet, I'll read it and then also check back your numerous previous interactions w her. Also gonna do a global check on who else she does or does not mention throughout. After dinner Ill make tea and get on it. I suppose a patient has nothing better to do
You could have asked her beginning of the day to make sure she doesn't reveal since this one thing could confirm 2 players.
Then in a normal game, claiming det doesn't confirm the apprentice since m.det exists (this game probably doesn't have one, but could have been mechanic.
I will double check your target claim timings later, but I think I've seen you before use pirate without claimimg target first.
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How is this a good play to switch target as apprentice?
As you can see D4 the only thing left for you to do is win with this claim as mafia, as town you achieved nothing.
- I asked her like yesterday not to claim, in the same post I explain what I'm going to do
- Sure that's not impossible, but why would I wait so long instead of just saying it yday or sth?
- Yeah go ahead and check. To your pirate comment, generally I like to announce my final target on such roles as I could die. Btw the particular game you refer to I think I got lucky because I found out the role through a teammate (I think James/)
- Survival, I got slightly upset at her end D2 but didn't read everything. I'm supposed to learn and use it earlier, I was a phase too slow yeah. I'm just content I learnt sth finally
Btw I did somewhat hint towards it, not the puzzle-style like Xad but I all but said apprentice yday, so a bit surprised you're surprised at this
It's great, and not yet, I'll read it and then also check back your numerous previous interactions w her. Also gonna do a global check on who else she does or does not mention throughout. After dinner Ill make tea and get on it. I suppose a patient has nothing better to do
Okay, so let me first say everything about my role and my actions: I am indeed the Sane Detective, it got confirmed after N1 with Evil being Innocent.
N1: Detective: Evil = Innocent, Path: Healthy Townie (not used).
N2: Detective: Unable to Detective, Path: Night & Day protection.
N3: Detective: GB = Innocent, Path: Bodyguard = protected Marm with it.
@Shad I didn't tell my results because Panda asked me not to. However, I did say "I'm not insane like that" which was meant to hint at my sanity (#493). I kept saying that I basically spilled everything, but since not only Panda but also Sam didn't get it, I decided to give Panda a chance to confirm himself like he asked. Now to explain the Bodyguard part, I was considering whether it's more important to have a Detective or Prostitute for next night, I figured prostitute would be more beneficial as it CAN block a kill, considering we lynch correctly today. Sure there are the effects achieved via Paths but that is not something that I can rely on when I have no idea what they are. I never expected both Marm and I to survive last night, so I am quite shocked to see that we are both still here.
Now as for my N3 action. I went with GB after DD turned out to be town. It seemed to me to be the obvious thing to do after that since DD found a loophole in his role claim. On top of that, we were all thinking in was either DD or GB. I got the Innocent result on him, so either he is Avenger and is saying the truth or he is Mafia Boss that shows Innocent to Detectives. There is still a small chance of me being Naive since I only have Innocent results but I mean I think it is safe to assume that is not the case since there is no other detective.
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I really don't like how you've been acting lately Shad. It seems to me like you are all over the place and you are jumping from one theory to another, always accusing someone else which may not be a bad thing necessarily, but it just seems very rushed. We've been giving you a free pass for a few glitches you made like the thing with Xad, but that doesn't mean it will continue like that until the end of the game. You even came at me for using BG saying you are perplexed or whatever without waiting for me to say anything. It just feels like you are opening too many doors to create chaos, if it makes any sense. Chaos is the last thing we need right now. Erin suspected you as well, I think we shall remember and consider her words when making our choice today.
A) he could have died protecting someone so it's likely the mafia targeted someone else as I don't see this to be their priority kill.
B) On the other hand, maybe the mafia was hoping for a recruitment, but out of Shad, Sam and Vandred, would that be the option they would go with?
C) Maybe they just wanted a guaranteed kill and considered there being protective effects from the Path, so they didn't go for Marm or me.
D) Vandred voted GB iirc, so it could also be mafia trying to frame GB.
Either way, I guess we can consider ourselves lucky to still have Prostitute and Detective (now two if Panda is one as well). We can still win this if we lynch correctly today.
No it not obvious you can use 2 roles, and I wasn't here last game, if it was that obvious you should have said that beginning of the day when I was freaking out that you didn't use detective.
No it not obvious you can use 2 roles, and I wasn't here last game, if it was that obvious you should have said that beginning of the day when I was freaking out that you didn't use detective.
@Kat they are 2 mafia + a traitor left potentially.
Meaning 42% of the players are lying.
So let try to keep the discussion nice because at this stage of the game it very easy to confuse enemy and ally.
If you want to make a case on me to compare it with your other option I'm open to it and will answer any question.
But don't tell me how many theories I'm allowed to make per day, sam is doing the same thing but you aren't telling him that, because he voted the only mafia lynched this game.
Feel free to tell me why I'm mafia and who are my teammate.
But this is the last day if we misslynch, so expect me to list every possible theory I can think of.
Shad fabricated Xad's det claim, defended him, tried to get others not to kill Xad and kill Sam or whoever. Absolutely unhinged defence attempting to guilt trip us over the hypothetical det. Insisted on the huge post count being sticking point, even when everyone else kept pointing out it means jack. Additionally, Evil died who'd have 100% been on his ass. Rly curious what kind of defence he'll offer up
Wojak was also rly handholding Xad by the end, maybe he can elaborate on his role and actions. Similarly DD voted Sam instead of Xad which maybe indicates that he knew Xad was a bomb?
Finally I think Erichi's behaviour is also very backgroundish. Lots of filler posts, passing time.
Panda addressing me. We checked all the alternatives, all turned out to be town.
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What you guys got on me, gathered from Panda's post, if anybody can be trusted to scrutinize shad it panda xD
- Def xad after accusing xad
- Evil voted me and died (there is a discussion with panda with all the questions / answers)
- Erin died then voted me, even tho kat disagreed strongly with her whole post, she now want to consider her vote as information.
- Actually playing the game (some of you call it flip flopping, some want me to talk less and some want 50% less theories)
Tbh for the night I was also slightly suspicious of you for 'forgetting about DD' while we were talking about it just the page before, but I read over the fact you were in a meeting so fair enough
You were right there with him?? You are equal parts of the reason we mislynched and you even went along w mafia guy without questioning it? Ironically again together w DD on the wrong side of voting history. It's a pattern now
Yes but why did you vote with DD against her? Fine earlier I was a little agitated when I brought it up, but it's a sincere concern; this is the second time you're voting in line with DD, even though you're consistently against him. You guys were the first votes so you must have had a motivation to vote in line with him?
Your back-and-forth behaviour, Shad, first not believing Van's claim, then immediately switching to distrusting me when he brings up another theory, I think you're coming as desperate, latching onto anything that takes the light of yourself
We can kill Shad, he's causing problems and he's right here! Maybe Van will post a theory about your post-to-vote ratio next and Shad will explain how he's wired to immediately extrapolate what MH users whose names start with K are necessarily suspect because of it
My playstyle, you better get used to it, I make or read theories and I spend hours investigating them, until I drop them and then do it again, you calling it flip flopping won't stop me from doing it, unless I'm mafia then I will do it in a more calculated way.
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As things currently stand, I have no doubt Panda always wanted to claim apprentice, at least from D2.
There is a small chance he just decided that early game and went with it to be consistent.
But he also documented switching learning targets.
Tho there is a small chance he did that to delay having to provide results with his new role.
If we assume Panda is legit.
Then Kat is as well.
I made a mistake earlier, they are only 6 players left.
That leaves: Sam, Shad, Marm, GB.
Let simplify and remove the traitor for now, and Sam for being generally trusted (I will do a reread of sam to see if I can find any dirt later, for my sam theories).
That leaves Shad, Marm and GB.
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@Copy Panda
You said earlier that you didn't want to die on Kat.
If you died on her, you would have shown as apprentice and we would have reread your post to see that you are targeting kat.
That a 1 to 1 trade with mafia, super worth it.
Why did you decide that your life was more important?
You say it yourself in your last post today.
But your actions are different this game.
You announced your target, then you changed it.
Why? To not die? But you say it your self that a good play for pirate.
I would think it would be even better on apprentice since it has an insane variant.
I'm interested in the last question, you can start from that, but please don't forget to answer some of the big post when you have time, like the question about the role you guessed for GB.
Assuming Kat is legit, if GB was innocent in Kat's results then that means remaining mafia have to be amongst Marm, Shad, and Copan.
>Mafia could have a mafia det that'd allow Panda to fake Kat's role
>Marm has been dodgy with her votes and her play is sub-optimal
>Shad had the Xadyu backflip and has had moments of "instability" that are getting passed off as "its just Shad"
@Copy Panda You never responded to me about Marm in the end, why is that?
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Two townies have NVD but a potential scum has UVD to switch to whoever they need to get a mislynch... wonder if that's truly telling too
Gotta head out to some lessons/rehearsals now but I'll be back later- scum has to be Marm and then between Shad and Copan. Will likely use my jutsu later when I'm back, likely on Marm so you better get back to me ASAP sickly lazy bear @Copy Panda
Gotta head out to some lessons/rehearsals now but I'll be back later- scum has to be Marm and then between Shad and Copan. Will likely use my jutsu later when I'm back, likely on Marm so you better get back to me ASAP sickly lazy bear @Copy Panda
On second though, It was needed to be confident in being able to pull the apprentice claim, not sure if they have a detective in this setup.
Small game and roles like spy aren't in it, so maybe hoe is also not in it, or it prostitute.
I'm not able to find a reason to doubt kat, she was sure xad should die and locked when I started defending, very naturally and locking a bomb, is just town.
Also sam is doing way more than what a mafia would do in this phase, he is moving the game into the right direction, mafia would just do the minimum.
I think they expected van to be alive this phase, and they NVD, 2 other town, not sure why they picked GB, he isn't even playing.
Maybe because they believed I would lynch van, but not GB? From my last post previous phase.
I think they didn't account for van being absent today, confirmed by death.
BG is best role, you can leave the game whenever you are tired or about to get lynched xD
So that leaves Panda and Marm.
I think Panda fits the profile, he didn't answer my question because he wants to draw this out.
My thoughts for now, hopefully this thread is more active when I come back.
Night
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Some inconsistencies:
- mafia couldn't coordinate NVD effect, unless both are from the same player.
- they are 3 effects but only 2 mafia, unless NVD is from the same player.
- is UVD really a good thing? Not being able to lock means you can be outvoted.
- Would panda lynch a teammate returning player?
Another idea is that marm is detective, it would explain both their claims.
If marm was prostitute, they would have blocked kat and killed sam.
Since killing kat puts a timer on marm, they would first kill a confirmed townie while they block kat.
Thanks to van, we know he wasn't blocked as marm claimed, since he successfully used BG, so marm lied.
We also know somebody van considered town was targeted for a kill, which can only be kat, thanks to van BG.
I think van just won us the game after being afk 2 days xD
GB has both the NVD and innocent going for him.
I'm more or less ready to vote, save to iron the details but overall I feel very confident that this one BG use + NVD use has cleared the fog of war.
Had a blonde moment I guess, thought you were playing around still. So no surprise, I genuinely thought you hadn’t claimed yet
