Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Discarab]

All these chapters really make me wonder how powerful END really is, for with every chapter Eilene and August get. The hype for END shoots up just as much, to reveal basically nothing about something like END only to have him weaker than say August would be terrible. Plus I don't see Hiro going that route. What is happening to Natsu is going to be massive, at the very least we know END is on par with Acnologia due to the painting during GMG. Hell, he may be even more powerful now if he has access to dragon slayer magic.

Also, anyone who says END won't have an etherious transformation don't know Mashima. As a writer myself, I know that a creator of any kind would go the END like direction and not have it cause some outward change. As this type of transformation is basically the author forcing a character into a cacoon. Not just for power up reasons, but so the author has a chance to make that character look badass/creepy as they want.

Anyone else want a creepy END?

 

[Discarab]

Also, yeah, Natsu is probably going to be ultra OP when he becomes END. As he is obviously Mashimas favorite little snowflake, or ash particle.

Also, you say " one guy, " don't you mean one demon?

 

[Discarab]

Well, at the very least Natsu when he becomes END does stand a chance against acnologia. As while acnologia doesn't seem to be scared of END, he's definitely wary of him and sees END as a worthy opponent.

Edit: Also, END better kill or at the very least seriously maim somebody important. He's supposed to be Zeref's most vile demon after all.

 

[Discarab]

Still hope END doesn't show up this arc. If he does this arc will be a massive Mary Sue of an arc. Natsu is always the one who saves fairy tail and jumps into the fray. If END shows up this arc then we will, at max, only get like a chapter of reactions and then bam! END done. END needs his own arc, it may just be Natsu as the villain but why does that matter? Have him build his own dark guild, tartoros 2, or do something like in Dgrayman when he is out on the run. Please don't add yet another subplot to this arc Hiro, it doesn't need it. With how much hype END has gotten and even more with how we haven't even seen him yet, END deserves his own arc. With this much hype he can't just be swept under the rug in a few chapters.

Also, even though Zeref said if he dies so does Natsu. That is a bluff, he got cursed for trying to bring Natsu back. Why would he tie his life to his little brother? Especially when he wants to die so much. It makes more sense that what Zeref said is a bluff considering he wants to get fairy heart first, he wants to deal with acnologia. Then move on with Natsu.

EDIT: And please don't make the transformation like how Zeref broke the news to Natsu. Give us some pain and struggle, this is becoming practically the devil we're talking about here. I swear, if it's like: " Oops, seals broken, I'm END now! " I'm dropping this manga.

 

[GokuSSJG]

so you are basically saying that the only way for the END to live up to the hype is to fight Acnologia equally or even beat him and to throw away "Dragon Slayers are sent into the future to beat Acnologia" out of the widow because Natsu MUST beat him because he has some cool Etherius crap????

if Etherius Natsu is stronger than Zeref and other Spriggans and weaker than Acnologia to the point that he needs other 6 DS to beat him then that certainly isn't underwhelming.not even in slightest.

 

[Discarab]

so you are basically saying that the only way for the END to live up to the hype is to fight Acnologia equally or even beat him and to throw away "Dragon Slayers are sent into the future to beat Acnologia" out of the widow because Natsu MUST beat him because he has some cool Etherius crap????

if Etherius Natsu is stronger than Zeref and other Spriggans and weaker than Acnologia to the point that he needs other 6 DS to beat him then that certainly isn't underwhelming.not even in slightest.

I'm not saying he should beat acnologia, nor do I like the fact that Natsu would get all the glory. But Hiro obviously likes Natsu the most, considering that Hiro is most likely going to make Natsu at least acnologias equal. I'm not saying it's a good idea, just a likely one. Honestly I want all the DS fighting acnologia side by side. But considering the fodder twins, how little Hiro gives a shit about Cobra; and how he wrote Natsu into a vendetta with acnologia. On top of him being END, that is just a possible outcome given what Hiro has given us before.

After all Hiro loves to pamper his favorite little ash particle.

Plus, you have to add on the fact that the END transformation has taken forever to even near its fangs. Writing END as weaker than acnologia would just give us the vibe that he's constantly pulling the carrot away. Honestly, if Natsu didn't have that personal vendetta I'd think the other DS would help to. But they wouldn't be any help at all, Laxus has magic cancer to the extreme. Wendy has been fucked up with almost every one of her bones broken, the twins are fodderized. Gajeel and Cobra are the only ones I see doing anything, but their probably also going to get fucked up with the northern front and all.

 

[GokuSSJG]

I'm not saying he should beat acnologia, nor do I like the fact that Natsu would get all the glory. But Hiro obviously likes Natsu the most, considering that Hiro is most likely going to make Natsu at least acnologias equal. I'm not saying it's a good idea, just a likely one. Honestly I want all the DS fighting acnologia side by side. But considering the fodder twins, how little Hiro gives a shit about Cobra; and how he wrote Natsu into a vendetta with acnologia. On top of him being END, that is just a possible outcome given what Hiro has given us before.

well,lets hope that it doesn't come to that but hey its Hiro.twins are fodders,Cobra is basically irrelevant,Wendy is not on the others level even with DF.the only DS who are relevant and strong are Laxus,Natsu and Gajeel.

heck,the best thing would be if someone uses Fairy Heart to kill Acnologia.maybe Lucy although the chances of that happening are 00,01%.

 

[Discarab]

well,lets hope that it doesn't come to that but hey its Hiro.twins are fodders,Cobra is basically irrelevant,Wendy is not on the others level even with DF.the only DS who are relevant and strong are Laxus,Natsu and Gajeel.

heck,the best thing would be if someone uses Fairy Heart to kill Acnologia.maybe Lucy although the chances of that happening are 00,01%.

See what I mean? It doesn't matter how powerful END was said to be. Hiro is writing him so that he is the only one that could do jack shit to acnologia.

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And God do I hate that because If Hiro goes that direction (which I am almost certain he will given its Natsu) no one would be able to touch him. The gray v END fight would be ultra boring, just a flick and Gray's down. Though to be fair, that could work if written well (But again, it's Hiro we're talking about here).

 

[GokuSSJG]

See what I mean? It doesn't matter how powerful END was said to be. Hiro is writing him so that he is the only one that could do jack shit to acnologia.

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And God do I hate that because If Hiro goes that direction (which I am almost certain he will given its Natsu) no one would be able to touch him. The gray v END fight would be ultra boring, just a flick and Gray's down. Though to be fair, that could work if written well (But again, it's Hiro we're talking about here).

Gray's Devil Slaying magic will not work because he is simply be too powerful because its Natsu .

 

[Ice devil slayer]

If End one shot gray i drop the manga..lol i've been waiting for this fight since tartaros..a fight between best friend are always good..so no one shot please..

 

[Discarab]

I'm wondering if Gray's gonna get killed by END. He is supposed to be the most vile demon, and while Gray's a slayer. I don't think he is strong enough to avoid dying.

 

[Discarab]

Even still. With how strong END is supposed to be Gray better be, at the least, seriously injured.

 

[Tinitus]

Hmmm yeah, I'm probably overrating END. I'm just saying that if Gray fights END, who should at the very least be more powerful than August. Gray better get injured, I know he won't die.

Also, Acnologia not being interested in END isn't true, as acnologia has shown interest in the demon. As he always shows up when Natsu loses his scarf (which I believe is a seal of sorts), and Zeref said he would be getting END ready for him. Take that info as you will.

Still confused on the DS front though, why is acnologia interested in them at all? Being DS doesn't change the fact that they are fodder to him.

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Also, the reason I expect END to be so strong is simply because it is Natsu; and when Natsu gets a power up of any kind the world shakes.

I see Gray beating END in high diff fight.

I doubt Natsu is going to get a power up out of END, knowing him, he won't accept it.

 

[Discarab]

He doesn't really have a choice at first. As END is Natsu the power up will come from the fact that he will be regaining his memories as END. Natsu doesn't have a choice when it comes to regaining memories; however, he does have a choice when it comes to his personality. Should he continue as Natsu, or END. Also, no way Gray is going to beat END. As he wants to kill END, disregarding the fact that would totally be diservicing END's hype; if he beats END he will try to kill him. Which breaks Fairy Tail's golden rule. Even though gray is a devil slayer that doesn't give him a free pass, as END is like devil slayers equivalent of acnologia.

 

[Tinitus]

He doesn't really have a choice at first. As END is Natsu the power up will come from the fact that he will be regaining his memories as END. Natsu doesn't have a choice when it comes to regaining memories; however, he does have a choice when it comes to his personality. Should he continue as Natsu, or END. Also, no way Gray is going to beat END. As he wants to kill END, disregarding the fact that would totally be diservicing END's hype; if he beats END he will try to kill him. Which breaks Fairy Tail's golden rule. Even though gray is a devil slayer that doesn't give him a free pass, as END is like devil slayers equivalent of acnologia.

and you think it won't conflict with his dragon slaying powers? You think Natsu is going to downplay his own father's magic and receive another set and accept it? END is no where near the equivalent of any acnologia. You're fan hyping him now. Yeah there's plenty of ways for Gray to beat him.

You're once again overrating END. WHere's the hype for END? He's just stronger than Marde, that's all. I'm being even more generous to END by saying Gray can high diff him.

Dragons shouldn't be compared to demons.

Dragons>>>>>>>>>Demons.

END would be pure demon, and Gray has feats of stomping high tiered demons.

 

[Discarab]

I'm not saying he's acnologia levels of strength. Just that acnologia is the strongest dragon and END is the strongest devil, and are the ultimate enemy to both of their respective slayers. END doesn't have to be stronger than acnologia.

Also, Natsu's magic won't interfere with curses as he and END are the same person. Curses were birthed from the one magic after END created them. So we know END is familiar with magic. Plus, if Natsu regains his memories of being END he's still Natsu, so dragon slayer magic won't be a problem.

Plus, END would definitely beat Gray, at least in their first match up, do to plot reasons. As Gray is still an amateur when it comes to ice devil slaying magic, even with a year of training. I really don't want it to seem like I'm overrating END, as I'm sure this is what I sound like. But you have to understand that END has been boiling for quite some time. If Gray defeats him the first round then where is the drama? There would be no reason for him to push himself to get any stronger. Also I just want Gray to be defeated so he would get the drive to HUNT NATSU DOWN. I want to see some internal conflict. After all, it's no fun when the fox is killed right after it leaves the cage.

 

[Discarab]

You let the fox win the first round by getting away, then you hunt it down; and then you tear it to pieces.

Let Gray get blindsided from the surprise that his best friend is END. Then he begins the hunt proper. This ain't overrating, just good writing for this type of scenario.

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Gotta give END some time to shine before he is smushed under Gray's ice hammer.

(By the way, Mard Geer didn't just say END was more powerful than him. He said he wasn't even close to END.)

 

[Tinitus]

I'm not saying he's acnologia levels of strength. Just that acnologia is the strongest dragon and END is the strongest devil, and are the ultimate enemy to both of their respective slayers. END doesn't have to be stronger than acnologia.

Also, Natsu's magic won't interfere with curses as he and END are the same person. Curses were birthed from the one magic after END created them. So we know END is familiar with magic. Plus, if Natsu regains his memories of being END he's still Natsu, so dragon slayer magic won't be a problem.

Plus, END would definitely beat Gray, at least in their first match up, do to plot reasons. As Gray is still an amateur when it comes to ice devil slaying magic, even with a year of training. I really don't want it to seem like I'm overrating END, as I'm sure this is what I sound like. But you have to understand that END has been boiling for quite some time. If Gray defeats him the first round then where is the drama? There would be no reason for him to push himself to get any stronger. Also I just want Gray to be defeated so he would get the drive to HUNT NATSU DOWN. I want to see some internal conflict. After all, it's no fun when the fox is killed right after it leaves the cage.

Being the strongest demon doesn't exactly mean the equivalency of slayers getting the same level of difficutly applied to him.

Natsu and END are the same person, but END can just be another form of Natsu. Curses and Magic should be conflicted with each other, Natsu respects Dragon slaying magic, he won't accept any other form of powerup that isn't DS.

END isn't beating Gray. They will fight in the later stages of the manga, and Gray will defeat and beat END with his demon slaying magic while saving Natsu from that form, before he goes on battling Acno in the last part of the manga. Gray isn't an amateur, he's very skilled for someone who has mastered DeS in a short amount of time.

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You let the fox win the first round by getting away, then you hunt it down; and then you tear it to pieces.

Let Gray get blindsided from the surprise that his best friend is END. Then he begins the hunt proper. This ain't overrating, just good writing for this type of scenario.

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Gotta give END some time to shine before he is smushed under Gray's ice hammer.

I can agree with that scenario too.

 

[Discarab]

And I agree completely, Gray will defeat END. But not at first, even if END is weaker than acnologia he's still being built up as one tough SOB. Gray's probably going to lose in their first battle as END has to win one to show how powerful he is. Then Gray comes back later after training some more and puts END in his place. After all, Gray and Natsu have constantly been shown as dead even rivals. This is a way to continue that fashion and make everyone happy.

I just hope END doesn't one shot Gray, as that would suck ass. Let END win the first round, but let it be a struggle; and I don't mean a physical struggle. As END is Natsu this will be a battle between two close friends, make us feel that... Then the hunt begins.

 

[Tinitus]

And I agree completely, Gray will defeat END. But not at first, even if END is weaker than acnologia he's still being built up as one tough SOB. Gray's probably going to lose in their first battle as END has to win one to show how powerful he is. Then Gray comes back later after training some more and puts END in his place. After all, Gray and Natsu have constantly been shown as dead even rivals. This is a way to continue that fashion and make everyone happy.

That would be great. We are now in agreeing terms. Nice talking to you bro.