Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Angiecakes1990]

yes and beside hiromashima doesn't have anybody strong enough to fight E.N.D

yeah even Gray's Ice Demon Slayer power wouldn't stand a chance and even he had a hard time with Mard Geer

 

[Maestro216]

yeah even Gray's Ice Demon Slayer power wouldn't stand a chance and even he had a hard time with Mard Geer

It just worked. It would at least been better than Erza blocking their attacks with ease.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

It just worked. It would at least been better than Erza blocking their attacks with ease.

yeah on the END when Lucy was rewriting it I mean not like the demon himself once in this arc but Natsu was slowly transforming he wasn't like a full demon yet till Erza stopped them
I mean when he fully awakens I don't think Gray would have a chance

from the looks of it as Lucy was rewriting that book END was gonna take over her body so yeah that was Gray's chance to slay him without killing Natsu

 

[Arjuna]

END plot was kind of useless in the long run.Neither did Natsu became a villain(which i had sincerely hoped) nor did he recieve a permanent powerup.

Seems to me Hiro had different END plot in the Tartaros arc which he might have changed.

 

[Raven]

Seems to me Hiro had different END plot in the Tartaros arc which he might have changed.

Yes. I said that many times. It's quite obvious that END plot didn't add anything to the plot because it got killed indirectly.

Before Alverz:
-E.N.D. is the master demon and the founder of tartarous.
-END is stronger than Igneel (Atlas flames)
-Acnologia possibly knows END and feared him.
-All the dragons including Acnologia appeared to stop his rebirth.

Spoiler

In Alverz
-END is innocent and brought back to life as as 5 years demon.
-Igneel could have killed Natsu but he didn't because he love him. *Atlas flame words became a joke + giving us False hype
-Acnologia didn't meet END before because he traveled to the future, No reason to fear him.
-Mard geer was just using his name to gather the demons.

It would have been better if Natsu and Lucy were involved only in END plot. Mashima and most the fans would not have any problem if Lucy is the one who defeated END, Simply by creating the demon slaying magic out of no where and fueling it's wielder with false revenge it created a darker tone as the MC must fight his friend to death and we got a sample of it in the current arc. It also created toxic atmosphere between fans. I think he realized the out come of the real END plot that he forced didn't fit FT theme so he changed it.

 

[Arjuna]

Yes. I said that many times. It's quite obvious that END plot didn't add anything to the plot because it got killed indirectly.

Before Alverz:
-E.N.D. is the master demon and the founder of tartarous.
-END is stronger than Igneel (Atlas flames)
-Acnologia possibly knows END and feared him.
-All the dragons including Acnologia appeared to stop his rebirth.

Spoiler

In Alverz
-END is innocent and brought back to life as as 5 years demon.
-Igneel could have killed Natsu but he didn't because he love him. *Atlas flame words became a joke + giving us False hype
-Acnologia didn't meet END before because he traveled to the future, No reason to fear him.
-Mard geer was just using his name to gather the demons.

It would have been better if Natsu and Lucy were involved only in END plot. Mashima and most the fans would not have any problem if Lucy is the one who defeated END, Simply by creating the demon slaying magic out of no where and fueling it's wielder with false revenge it created a darker tone as the MC must fight his friend to death and we got a sample of it in the current arc. It also created toxic atmosphere between fans. I think he realized the out come of the real END plot that he forced didn't fit FT theme.

Well we can't completely call "END" innocent.After all Natsu himself admitted that he tried to harm both Gray and Erza and he doesn't even remember clearly what he did.But he was far being a shrewd Mard Geer type villain i had hoped.More of a burning desire to kill Zeref and take revenge for Lucy .


Better if Hiro followed MC turning villain temporarily.Like Inuyasha turning into vile due to Demon blood,Meliodas in NNT turning evil now,and Yu in Owari No Seraph.Lot of possibilities were there.

 

[Raven]

Well we can't completely call "END" innocent.After all Natsu himself admitted that he tried to harm both Gray and Erza and he doesn't even remember clearly what he did.But he was far being a shrewd Mard Geer type villain i had hoped.More of a burning desire to kill Zeref and take revenge for Lucy .

He actually told Gray to move many times but Gray didn't, and Erza forced herself in to stop the battle so she got hurt. It's just Natsu's good heart blaming himself.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

Well we can't completely call "END" innocent.After all Natsu himself admitted that he tried to harm both Gray and Erza and he doesn't even remember clearly what he did.But he was far being a shrewd Mard Geer type villain i had hoped.More of a burning desire to kill Zeref and take revenge for Lucy .


Better if Hiro followed MC turning villain temporarily.Like Inuyasha turning into vile due to Demon blood,Meliodas in NNT turning evil now,and Yu in Owari No Seraph.Lot of possibilities were there.

Natsu told Gray to move many times but he didn't so while he was transforming he still had self control over himself

well I only know Meliodas from the anime series but he did leave Elizabeth unharmed

 

[Arjuna]

Natsu told Gray to move many times but he didn't so while he was transforming he still had self control over himself

well I only know Meliodas from the anime series but he did leave Elizabeth unharmed

I wasn't talking about that part.I was talking about when Natsu woke up he said that he doesn't rember much and he tried to harm both Gray and Erza.

I had thought that Natsu will turn villain and Lucy will bring him back like in other Anime series's.


And i wasn't talking about Anime part also

Spoiler: Nanatsu No Taizai Manga Spoiler

It is so that every time Meliodas dies he loses emotion and gains his true powerlevel that he was 3000 years ago when he was the leader of the Ten Commandments and also turns evil and it paves the way for the revival of his father Demon King.

 

[Sumana Soh]

What the hell really happened when Lucy rewrites the book? Did she remove the life bonding to zeref? Is Natsu a human now?

 

[Angiecakes1990]

I wasn't talking about that part.I was talking about when Natsu woke up he said that he doesn't rember much and he tried to harm both Gray and Erza.

I had thought that Natsu will turn villain and Lucy will bring him back like in other Anime series's.


And i wasn't talking about Anime part also

Spoiler: Nanatsu No Taizai Manga Spoiler

It is so that every time Meliodas dies he loses emotion and gains his true powerlevel that he was 3000 years ago when he was the leader of the Ten Commandments and also turns evil and it paves the way for the revival of his father Demon King.

oh well Hiro obviously wanted to do it different I was actually kinda expecting Lucy to turn evil lol

What the hell really happened when Lucy rewrites the book? Did she remove the life bonding to zeref? Is Natsu a human now?

well I had a theory she connected herself to the END book like connecting her life to his and yea I assume so those marks on her arm she was getting that must of been the life bonding with zeref thing but I had a theory END was trying to take over her body but Gray stopped it cause his soul was inside that book

 

[Reebi]

What the hell really happened when Lucy rewrites the book? Did she remove the life bonding to zeref? Is Natsu a human now?

I think the "I choose human, therefore I am human" speech confirms he is human as cheesy as it sounds.

 

[Maestro216]

Yeah the Atlas and Silver stuff is super misleading. They both kinda added to the false belief of END being anything but a worthless plot point

 

[Angiecakes1990]

I think the "I choose human, therefore I am human" speech confirms he is human as cheesy as it sounds.

thats because he sees himself as a human not a demon or dragon
if he chose demon he would turn into END for sure and dragon hmm even though Igneel stopped the transformation inside him he might still become a dragon or maybe his half dragonized form I saw in dragon cry

 

[Doughboy]

Lucy rewriting the book broke the Etherious connection tied to Zeref's life. Natsu is an Etherious remake so he was always different than someone like Mard Geer. On the END plot, it just felt like it went *poof* which is disappointing as fuck... but nothing got truly changed. END was always Natsu, we always knew that. 465 told us that Mard Geer basically made up END being the master of Tartaros, he just wanted a way to unite the Etherious. He was the one who found Tartaros anyway so that's uncovered. Zeref said either him or END would reach him first, instigating that his END power would be unleashed (basically what we saw from Dragon Cry was Natsu demonized). Gray overtaking Silver's goal was a fine subplot, END vs. Gray was a great battle but it had a bad setup which turned some off. Igneel said he was afraid of END but Natsu mentioned that Igneel could of crushed him if he wanted to so Acnologia was right when he said he wasn't scared of END.

 

[Raven]

Actually it was believed that Natsu has 2 personalities inside his body because Zeref told him that either him or END will come to him, Fans were expecting the demon inside Natsu would have a different form, Even Zeref said that Mard was very close to revive END??? He was already revived. END wasn't the same Natsu in Tartarous the story developed them to be one because Mashima changed plans.

END will probably be the worst plot line in the entire manga because it brought harm more than good and added nothing to the story but maybe in those 4 chapters it can be redeemed.

I don't think it was demonizing since curse power is fueled by negative emotions nothing was negative enough for Natsu to use his demon powers. The movie name is dragon cry and the in the first poster of the movie. The text is saying Natsu dragonized.

 

[randimari]

@Debonair Raven you're basically saying things what "fans expected" is what was going to happen but reviewing previous chapters END wasn't ever going to be a dual personality. It stands Etherious Natsu Dragneel so it was always Natsu. Mard Geer believed by wiping away the continent of Ishgar's magic it would be a way to circumcise END, as in have a way to unleash its curse power (by opening the book I presume). Mard Geer didn't know Natsu was END, remember he just found the book randomly and used it as a calling card to gather all of the etherios into a guild.

 

[Axiomus]

END's power was overhyped by the fanbase. This hype was something I never bought into. Hiro was never going to make the hero of the story use curse power to beat the final villains. When Natsu was revealed to be END, that set off a red flag that Mard Geer didn't really know who END was. Mard knew of Igneel's reputation, and Natsu told him that he was Igneel's son. If Mard had been in the loop, he should have known Zeref left Natsu in Igneel's care

 

[MangerDan]

Kinda dumb but I do find it interesting that Zeref was always trying to provoke Natsu's emotions. In order to bring out his ultimate power, which turned out to be his flames of savage emotion.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

Kinda dumb but I do find it interesting that Zeref was always trying to provoke Natsu's emotions. In order to bring out his ultimate power, which turned out to be his flames of savage emotion.

well yeah cause he knows his flames of emotions are powerful after all he did his research on his opponents