Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Holt]

Currently I don't believe there's something END related that's active in Natsu. Igneel was very specific in his instructions to Natsu about not opening the book of END so that indicates the trigger is within the book. For now, for the sake of keeping things simple, I'm going with the fact that there's no need to worry about END emerging as long as the book isn't involved. Also, Natsu wouldn't be able to have access to Igneel's power if it wasn't specifically left there for him. Igneel and the other dragons were literally within their kids for years but their power never manifested nor were the DS able to specifically use the dragon's power. They could only use that which was taught to them and expand on it. I'm pretty sure Natsu wouldn't be able to use Igneel's power in any context unless the latter permitted and made it accessible to him. For me, this also cancels the theory of Natsu using the antibodies left behind or the power suppressing END. I don't even think Igneel's power is suppressing END. Igneel's power is destructive in nature and not a seal.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Well bro, Please don't take any offense (As I don't intend any), It was stated that Curse is a TYPE OF MAGIC during tartaros arc. Also PureHito (Someone whom Mavis' acknowledged as having a great deal of intelligence and knowledge) said that Magic's source was negative. While I wont justify him or anything. I don't remember anyone (maybe, other than Natsu) growing "stronger" for their friends, they just got some willpower. Well, that said you could be correct as well, or maybe it can also be that curse and magic are linked together. Whatever It is, I believe that Natsu's END mode could very well be compatible with his dragon force.


And even if curse is incompatible with his dragon slaying magic, I believe his "container for magic and curse" will be very large in his Etherious form and then he could ditch his curse power and use magic instead (INSIDE THAT INSANELY LARGE CONTAINER OF HIS)




UPDATE: Well the feelings that made Natsu become stronger could also be negative feelings like (Oh shit I'll loose her forever) Sadness , Fear, Anger or (the HxH way) One's Resolve. This further supports my theory while also explaining Nakama power-ups

---------- Post added at 04:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:53 PM ----------

I feel One's resolve is the best way to look at it.

Okay, I've reread a few arcs a few time so I'm pretty confident I have all of what was said and implied down pat in memory, so no offence if you find any to take in my reply.
>It was stated that Curse is a TYPE OF MAGIC during tartaros arc.
That is false. Jackal stated when fighting Lucy and Wendy that Tartarus doesn't use magic, but something they believed to be a power that stands above magic, called Curses. This was echoed throughout the Tartarus arc, and Mard Geer in chapter 410, saying END developed curses, based on the nature of life and its negative emotions; hatred, envy, grudges etc.

>Also PureHito said that Magic's source was negative.
in the end, Purehito/Hades didn't know as much as he thought he did. He thought he needed keys to awaken Zeref, none of which actually existed. And just because he had a theory on what the one magic was doesn't make it the right one. We've seen Mavis state that the abyss of magic is where things begin, and the magic that unites all is love. Thats basically saying that the one magic is Love. People who have been close to Zeref like Layla have also said that the One magic is love. There's definitely a greater amount of people that believe the one magic is love, and seeing as Mavis explicitly stated the magic that unites all, aka the one magic, is Love, the one magic must be love. Hiro wouldn't of written like that if he didn't intend for it to be perceived that the One Magic is love.

As for END mode and Dragon Force, what END actually is is still unknown. END could be an alternate personality, who despises all, hence why he's been referred to as vile. But seeing as the power for curses stems from negative emotions, and magic's power comes from the exact opposite set of emotions, I'd say they wouldn't benefit each other if used together.

 

[Nomi]

Okay, I've reread a few arcs a few time so I'm pretty confident I have all of what was said and implied down pat in memory, so no offence if you find any to take in my reply.
>It was stated that Curse is a TYPE OF MAGIC during tartaros arc.
That is false. Jackal stated when fighting Lucy and Wendy that Tartarus doesn't use magic, but something they believed to be a power that stands above magic, called Curses. This was echoed throughout the Tartarus arc, and Mard Geer in chapter 410, saying END developed curses, based on the nature of life and its negative emotions; hatred, envy, grudges etc.

>Also PureHito said that Magic's source was negative.
in the end, Purehito/Hades didn't know as much as he thought he did. He thought he needed keys to awaken Zeref, none of which actually existed. And just because he had a theory on what the one magic was doesn't make it the right one. We've seen Mavis state that the abyss of magic is where things begin, and the magic that unites all is love. Thats basically saying that the one magic is Love. People who have been close to Zeref like Layla have also said that the One magic is love. There's definitely a greater amount of people that believe the one magic is love, and seeing as Mavis explicitly stated the magic that unites all, aka the one magic, is Love, the one magic must be love. Hiro wouldn't of written like that if he didn't intend for it to be perceived that the One Magic is love.

As for END mode and Dragon Force, what END actually is is still unknown. END could be an alternate personality, who despises all, hence why he's been referred to as vile. But seeing as the power for curses stems from negative emotions, and magic's power comes from the exact opposite set of emotions, I'd say they wouldn't benefit each other if used together.

You are making sense. Yeah my theory had some flaws.... Well but I still somewhat think that END might be able to use Dragon Force.
It's all up to Mashima now.


BTW Does anyone know why covers-san didn't give us spoilers this time????

And for anyone who thinks that END is shown to be fighting Acnologia in that stone, You're wrong, that's not as craf but a part of his head protecting armor (I checked with the anime)

 

[SirSamuel016]

You are making sense. Yeah my theory had some flaws.... Well but I still somewhat think that END might be able to use Dragon Force.
It's all up to Mashima now.


BTW Does anyone know why covers-san didn't give us spoilers this time????

And for anyone who thinks that END is shown to be fighting Acnologia in that stone, You're wrong, that's not as craf but a part of his head protecting armor (I checked with the anime)

I'm not sure about the stone. It could even be another ancient slayer from 400 years ago.

Regarding Covers, aka Turrin from Baidu, he retired from posting FT Spoilers.

 

[Nomi]

Thank you everyone. I have since abandoned this theory due to your kind responses!

 

[Nomi]

I'm not sure about the stone. It could even be another ancient slayer from 400 years ago.

Regarding Covers, aka Turrin from Baidu, he retired from posting FT Spoilers.

I'm so glad we have yonkouproductions now...

---------- Post added December 03, 2015 at 09:38 AM ---------- Previous post was December 02, 2015 at 09:48 PM ----------

The one at 2:53 to the left?

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu's source of power right now comes from his will to live and his determination to protect the future. I can definitely see curse power clashing against that, because those draw from negative emotions.

 

[Nomi]

I just discovered, Chapter 414 contains a lot of Cryptic (and non-cryptic) messages. Anyone interested can re-read, It's fun anyway!

 

[Holt]

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[dark123]

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Hmm Since when there is everywhere that kind of rule? What is the point of such a rule? Who read thread about recent action in manga before reading new chapter? I am just curious because that kind of rule is pointless.

 

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[Erza Scarlett]

LOL! Natsu strongest of Fiore? HELL NO! That is Gildartz, not only that, have you ever seen Laxus's insane opness? like seriously Natsu is not even in league with those two, he never will be. In the manga we saw that ''igneel mark'' - yes it may have been strong, but one time only so Kappa.

 

[Brandish μ]

With Igneel's power Natsu is most definitely the strongest in Isghal. Even without it he's near Laxus level, and above Gildarts.

 

[dark123]

I said it few months ago that END is simply Natsu and there is no other personality and i also said that this book probably doesnt contain power of END because Natsu simply has to grow up to be able to awaken his power. I also said that Zeref let Igneel raise Natsu and raw confirms that. It also confirms that Dragon Slayers along with Natsu were transferred to future. Now it is confirmed. Tartaros is bullshit i was right again lol Now I am wondering how and when Natsu will awaken his etherious power. We know that it sleeps inside his body so it should be matter of time.

 

[DemonKing888]

I said it few months ago that END is simply Natsu and there is no other personality and i also said that this book probably doesnt contain power of END because Natsu simply has to grow up to be able to awaken his power. I also said that Zeref let Igneel raise Natsu and raw confirms that. It also confirms that Dragon Slayers along with Natsu were transferred to future. Now it is confirmed. Tartaros is bullshit i was right again lol Now I am wondering how and when Natsu will awaken his etherious power. We know that it sleeps inside his body so it should be matter of time.

I got to give you props. I now believe maybe Natsu will unlock his Etherious powers after he accepts his origins. If they're stronger then his Igneel power then there's no more debut on who's the strongest Fairytail member.

 

[dark123]

I know that i was right but i am afraid of something. I hope that Mashima won't forget that Natsu is supposed to be the strongest being created from pure power and we won't see nakama power in action because this one story about END and is 100 times better than whole manga.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

With Igneel's power Natsu is most definitely the strongest in Isghal. Even without it he's near Laxus level, and above Gildarts.

Yeah, I wouldn't count Igneel's power anything related to Natsu. Going by that logic, someone like Wendy is stronger than Laxus... I'll soon explain what I mean in the Fairy Prediction/Discussion thread. We haven't seen Gildarts yet but I wouldn't place Natsu above him just yet.

 

[DemonKing888]

That's a complicated subject mainly because Laxus and Cobra get their DS magic from Lacrima implanted in their body. We can't say Laxus is weak mainly because he uses an Lacrima because he's trained damn hard to reach that level of power.

The issue with Natsu is that this Igneel powerup is suppose to be a one time powerup even though he had to work just as hard in order to unlocked it. But what if Natsu did find a way to reuse it or refill it. Would that take away his achievements?

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

That's a complicated subject mainly because Laxus and Cobra get their DS magic from Lacrima implanted in their body. We can't say Laxus is weak mainly because he uses an Lacrima because he's trained damn hard to reach that level of power.

The issue with Natsu is that this Igneel powerup is suppose to be a one time powerup even though he had to work just as hard in order to unlocked it. But what if Natsu did find a way to reuse it or refill it. Would that take away his achievements?

I don't think you're understanding my post. It is probably because I didn't explain it well enough. I have a theory and it requires a little bit of speculation on my part. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was referencing the deal with lacrimas or anything. I will try to post my prediction soon. Again, it is partly speculation so I have no proof but to me it makes sense.

 

[DemonKing888]

ah I see, I thought that's what you was leaning towards.

But I wonder where does Natsu stand without his Igneel power. compared to Gray, Gajeel, and Laxus the power that Natsu trained for is now gone, and His book still was not open nor did Zeref hint at the book opening being an powerup. All we can do now is hope for Natsu to unlock a Etherious mode and see If this can match dragon king flame or if he can reuse king's flame in the future.