Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[The President]

Its to early for this END talk. For all we know END is Natsu and there is no demon alter ego. We now know that Igneel never actually fought some END demon because Natsu was still a baby. We know that Igneel did not want the book destroyed because its Natsus lifeline, not because some demon would come out of the book. If the book of END had any significance beyond being Natsus lifeline I think Zeref would have "unlocked" it in his battle with Natsu since that was the last chance Zeref gave humanity. So what the hell was Mard Geer talking about you ask? He was talking about his own made up delusions, he clearly had no idea who END actually was because he was starring him right in the face for the last third of the arc. The spiel he had about END was likely nothing more then propoganda to give his fellow demons a motive and hope and he believed in them so strongly that he probably started taking it as fact himself. I think that the END plot point is finished and once Gray realizes it his next target will be Zeref, the person he will likely hear this information about END being Natsu from (since Zeref and Natsu are the only ones that know about it).

 

[Tinitus]

Its to early for this END talk. For all we know END is Natsu and there is no demon alter ego. We now know that Igneel never actually fought some END demon because Natsu was still a baby. We know that Igneel did not want the book destroyed because its Natsus lifeline, not because some demon would come out of the book. If the book of END had any significance beyond being Natsus lifeline I think Zeref would have "unlocked" it in his battle with Natsu since that was the last chance Zeref gave humanity. So what the hell was Mard Geer talking about you ask? He was talking about his own made up delusions, he clearly had no idea who END actually was because he was starring him right in the face for the last third of the arc. The spiel he had about END was likely nothing more then propoganda to give his fellow demons a motive and hope and he believed in them so strongly that he probably started taking it as fact himself. I think that the END plot point is finished and once Gray realizes it his next target will be Zeref, the person he will likely hear this information about END being Natsu from (since Zeref and Natsu are the only ones that know about it).

@ Bold, Seriously that would be so lackluster.

 

[no 1ogic]

I believe Natsu already is END, and wont get some sort of power up although i'm most likely wrong.
Sorry for being off topic.

 

[Axiomus]

Its to early for this END talk. For all we know END is Natsu and there is no demon alter ego. We now know that Igneel never actually fought some END demon because Natsu was still a baby. We know that Igneel did not want the book destroyed because its Natsus lifeline, not because some demon would come out of the book. If the book of END had any significance beyond being Natsus lifeline I think Zeref would have "unlocked" it in his battle with Natsu since that was the last chance Zeref gave humanity. So what the hell was Mard Geer talking about you ask? He was talking about his own made up delusions, he clearly had no idea who END actually was because he was starring him right in the face for the last third of the arc. The spiel he had about END was likely nothing more then propoganda to give his fellow demons a motive and hope and he believed in them so strongly that he probably started taking it as fact himself. I think that the END plot point is finished and once Gray realizes it his next target will be Zeref, the person he will likely hear this information about END being Natsu from (since Zeref and Natsu are the only ones that know about it).

Yeah, I think a lot of things about END was designed to throw us off.

One of the theories I had was that Gray would use Iced Shell on the Book of END, which would prevent Natsu from dying together with Zeref. It would be rather poetic if Gray turns out to be the one to save END's life. I don't want Gray to die though, cause that would make Juvia really sad.

 

[Arjuna]

Its to early for this END talk. For all we know END is Natsu and there is no demon alter ego. We now know that Igneel never actually fought some END demon because Natsu was still a baby. We know that Igneel did not want the book destroyed because its Natsus lifeline, not because some demon would come out of the book. If the book of END had any significance beyond being Natsus lifeline I think Zeref would have "unlocked" it in his battle with Natsu since that was the last chance Zeref gave humanity. So what the hell was Mard Geer talking about you ask? He was talking about his own made up delusions, he clearly had no idea who END actually was because he was starring him right in the face for the last third of the arc. The spiel he had about END was likely nothing more then propoganda to give his fellow demons a motive and hope and he believed in them so strongly that he probably started taking it as fact himself. I think that the END plot point is finished and once Gray realizes it his next target will be Zeref, the person he will likely hear this information about END being Natsu from (since Zeref and Natsu are the only ones that know about it).

@ Bold, Seriously that would be so lackluster.

I believe Natsu already is END, and wont get some sort of power up although i'm most likely wrong.
Sorry for being off topic.

Yeah, I think a lot of things about END was designed to throw us off.

One of the theories I had was that Gray would use Iced Shell on the Book of END, which would prevent Natsu from dying together with Zeref. It would be rather poetic if Gray turns out to be the one to save END's life. I don't want Gray to die though, cause that would make Juvia really sad.

I think you all should see the theory i posted in this thread from another forum by Lucy of FTB in page 10.You may change your view and accept END will be the final villain.But please read it full.You can say that is my request to all of you as your friend please.

 

[Axiomus]

I think you all should see the theory i posted in this thread from another forum by Lucy of FTB in page 10.You may change your view and accept END will be the final villain.But please read it full.You can say that is my request to all of you as your friend please.

I think I've remember that theory posted elsewhere. Still, I'm 50/50 on whether or not END is a seperate personality from Natsu, but I'm still convinced Acnologia will be the final villain of the series. END doesn't have the same reputation or threat that Acnologia does.

 

[Arjuna]

I think I've remember that theory posted elsewhere. Still, I'm 50/50 on whether or not END is a seperate personality from Natsu, but I'm still convinced Acnologia will be the final villain of the series. END doesn't have the same reputation or threat that Acnologia does.

I am not saying he will be the final villain especially when he himself is the protagonist.I feel he will be a temporary villain.

 

[GokuSSJG]

oh Natsu will beat Acnologia.everyone knows that because he is Hiro's favorite butterfly.

DF,LFDM,Dragon King Mode(I probably worded it wrong),Flames of Emotion Etherius Natsu vs Acnologia=Natsu one shots him.

 

[Static]

No, there were a few years that END was around in the past before he was given to Igneel. This is when he discovered curses and the like. This is before 400 years ago, so before acnologia. Maybe END, when he was around back then during that small time scale; did something to acnologia or his fam before acnologia got his powers. This could explain acnologia's hatered of dragons, as Igneel took END's defeat away from him; and why he always goes to where Natsu is when he lost his scarf. Something happened between END and acnologia in that time frame. That was probably what Igneel was referring to when he said: " The one you fear no longer exists! "

This is what the third seal could relate to, the scarf, but we don't really know the 1st or 2nd; and, in my opinion. It's much more likely to be related to Eileine.

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BOOM! I just solved Fairy Tail!

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Prediction time! What I just said above ties into this. Maybe that's why acnologia is hunting the 7 DS. He knows a dragon took his revenge on END away from him. So now he's just going to kill each one, one by one and see if he gets lucky.

Natsu was a baby when he was given to Igneel.

 

[Discarab]

Natsu was a baby when he was given to Igneel.

He was a baby when given. But we're dealing with magic here; I doubt a baby could discover an entirely new branch of magic. END was defeated and sealed within the book of END, which probably caused Natsu to revert back to his baby state. This is fairy tail after all.

 

[GokuSSJG]

headcanon.for all we know,what Igneel said could mean anything.

 

[Axiomus]

Yeah, a few things don't add up. I don't believe END created curses. Demons are supposed to be biological weapons and curses are their power. If END had to teach it to them, that would mean demons remained powerless up until Zeref created his last demon, and that's just weird. There's also a chance that Mard Geer has never even met END (he was certainly lying about END being guild-master), so it's not like END could have taught them anything. Even if END was an alter-ego of Natsu, he would still be biologically the same. So the fact that Mard didn't recognize him raises some red flags. This is about the only cannon images of END that we have from Zeref's flashbacks.

Spoiler

I can believe that maybe there is something sealed inside the book of END, and that maybe it's evil. Like an evil spirit or something. But all that stuff about END creating Tartarus and curses was probably Mard Geer's propaganda. Now END might have curse power, but it would be because he was created as a demon.

 

[Discarab]

You can't help but wonder how END got sealed in that book, I know Igneel defeated him, but how? A fight that massive should have left a huge ass crater. But we have heard nothing about such a battle.

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Predictions! How much you want to bet that the END book is just a journal of somekind, or a record of END's memories.

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Either way, Natsu ain't going END until he gets his hands on that book.

 

[Yaumil Reiza]

What if END is like a take over to Natsu? In the non canonical Key of Starry Sky story arc, Mary Hughes extracted Satan Soul from Mirajane. Maybe Irene or Zeref or somebody else can also do that to Natsu. That way, Natsu will still be Natsu, but he loses something like magic power or life, because END is extracted from his body.

 

[Nomi]

Zeref didn't tell Natsu everything. And we know from how the other Dragons spoke of Igneel not being able to defeat Acnologia but only in this state, What actually happened to Igneel?

Spoiler: Chapter 415 page 7

This makes it seem like Igneel never fought with Acnologia before.


Something must have happened.

Why did Atlas Flame remember E.N.D. while seeing Natsu???

 

[GokuSSJG]

Zeref didn't tell Natsu everything. And we know from how the other Dragons spoke of Igneel not being able to defeat Acnologia but only in this state, What actually happened to Igneel?

Spoiler: Chapter 415 page 7

This makes it seem like Igneel never fought with Acnologia before.


Something must have happened.

Why did Atlas Flame remember E.N.D. while seeing Natsu???

it was said by the Dragons that they got their souls extracted by Acnologia's Dragon Slaying Magic.

 

[Nomi]

it was said by the Dragons that they got their souls extracted by Acnologia's Dragon Slaying Magic.

You are not getting the point here.

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it was said by the Dragons that they got their souls extracted by Acnologia's Dragon Slaying Magic.

You are not getting the point here.

 

[Brandish μ]

Does anyone think August knows Natsu is END? Or that Natsu is Zeref's brother? 'This child' could mean a number of things I guess...

Spoiler: Ch488

 

[Nemispelled]

Yeah, I was reading that part over again yesterday.

My initial assumption was that August could tell that Natsu is powerful or that Natsu was the one fighting Zeref at the beginning of the war.



It's possible that August knows who END is, but that would mean that Zeref has already told him about it (Unless he did some extensive research on his own. It's possible because he knows just as much about magic as Zeref does.)

But I don't really see why Zeref has any reason to inform August of that. Zeref's main purpose for the Spriggans is to obtain FH and help him fight Acnologia.



In theory, if August knows who END is, then either Zeref told him (unlikely, otherwise all the other Spriggans should know), or August is related to Zeref/Natsu.


We also don't know how old August is. If by chance August is a lot older than he looks, then I'm willing to bet that August is Zeref's and Natsu's biological father.

 

[Kiki]

It could mean many things:

• He knows Natsu is END, or
• He knows Natsu is Zeref's brother, or
• He senses something strange inside of Natsu, or
• He is just wondering who Natsu is, judges it by Natsu's face resembling Zeref

So far those are my guesses..